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		<title>Albert Bierstadt: A Painter Beyond the Journals</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 22:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Note on the Source RecordThe present biographical synthesis is built from a corpus of journal entries written by members of the Lewis and Clark Expedition (1804–1806), principally Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John Ordway, Joseph Whitehouse, and Charles Floyd.…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Note on the Source Record</h2>
<p>The present biographical synthesis is built from a corpus of journal entries written by members of the Lewis and Clark Expedition (1804–1806), principally Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John Ordway, Joseph Whitehouse, and Charles Floyd. A search of that corpus for Albert Bierstadt returns <strong>zero entries</strong>. He is not named, alluded to, or otherwise referenced by any of the expedition&#8217;s narrators. Accordingly, no primary-source quotations, dated sightings, or narrator attributions can be provided here, and none are invented.</p>
<h2>Why Bierstadt Cannot Appear in the Journals</h2>
<p>The reason for his absence is straightforward and chronological. Albert Bierstadt was born in Solingen, in the Kingdom of Prussia, on January 7, 1830 — nearly a quarter-century after the Corps of Discovery returned to St. Louis in September 1806. The expedition&#8217;s journals were closed as a documentary record long before Bierstadt was alive, let alone before he traveled in the American West. It is therefore not merely that he is unmentioned; he <em>could not</em> have been mentioned. Any biographical treatment of Bierstadt drawn strictly from the Lewis and Clark journals must report a null result.</p>
<h2>Why the Association Persists</h2>
<p>Although Bierstadt has no place in the expedition&#8217;s textual record, his name is frequently encountered in the broader cultural afterlife of Lewis and Clark, and it is worth explaining the linkage so that readers do not mistake cultural adjacency for documentary presence.</p>
<p>Bierstadt became, in the 1860s and 1870s, the most prominent painter of the same northern Rocky Mountain, Upper Missouri, and Pacific Northwest landscapes that Lewis and Clark had been the first U.S. citizens to describe in writing. His monumental canvases — works such as <em>The Rocky Mountains, Lander&#8217;s Peak</em> (1863) and <em>Among the Sierra Nevada, California</em> (1868) — gave a visual vocabulary to regions that, in 1804–1806, the expedition&#8217;s narrators could only render in prose. Readers who encounter Lewis&#8217;s description of the Great Falls of the Missouri, or Clark&#8217;s notes on the approaches to the Bitterroots, often reach for Bierstadt&#8217;s paintings as imaginative illustration. That pairing is editorial and curatorial; it is not historical contact.</p>
<p>Bierstadt traveled west with Frederick W. Lander&#8217;s overland survey in 1859 and made later trips through the 1860s and 1870s, sketching and photographing terrain in present-day Wyoming, Colorado, California, and Oregon. None of this overlaps with the expedition&#8217;s timeline. His Western journeys belong to the post–Civil War era of the transcontinental railroad and the U.S. Army&#8217;s surveys, a different documentary universe altogether.</p>
<h2>What the Journals Actually Contain in This Register</h2>
<p>Where the journals do touch on the visual representation of landscape, they do so through Clark&#8217;s mapmaking, occasional sketches of fish and waterfowl, and verbal description rather than through any reference to easel painting. The expedition carried no professional artist; the well-known images associated with the Corps of Discovery — by Charles M. Russell, Olaf Seltzer, and others, as well as Bierstadt&#8217;s broadly evocative landscapes — were all produced retrospectively, often many decades after the fact, and reflect later artistic traditions rather than firsthand expedition observation.</p>
<p>This distinction matters for source-critical reading. When a modern publication illustrates a passage from Lewis&#8217;s June 13, 1805, description of the Great Falls with a Bierstadt canvas, the canvas is functioning as evocation, not as evidence. Bierstadt did not see what Lewis saw, did not stand where Lewis stood at that date, and did not paint from expedition sketches.</p>
<h2>Sparse-Source Acknowledgment</h2>
<p>Because the figure under consideration generates no entries in the journal corpus, the standard apparatus of this biographical series — narrator-by-narrator citation, dated quotation, cross-comparison of accounts — is not available. There are no <code>blockquote</code>-able passages to preserve in original orthography, no disagreements among Lewis, Clark, Gass, Ordway, Whitehouse, or Floyd to adjudicate, and no patterns of mention to trace across the outbound or return legs of the journey.</p>
<p>In keeping with the editorial rule that no biographical detail may be speculated beyond the journal record, this entry therefore declines to offer a synthesized portrait of Bierstadt&#8217;s life, art, patronage, or critical reception. Those subjects are amply treated in art-historical scholarship, but they fall outside the documentary boundary of the Lewis and Clark journals, which is the only boundary this series is authorized to work within.</p>
<h2>Recommendation for the Reader</h2>
<p>Readers who arrived at this entry expecting a Lewis-and-Clark-era figure may have confused Albert Bierstadt with one of the expedition&#8217;s actual contemporaries — possibly a trader, interpreter, or Indigenous leader whose name resembles his only loosely, or possibly with a later nineteenth-century chronicler of the West. If the intent was to study the visual reception of the expedition&#8217;s landscapes, Bierstadt is indeed a central figure, but in the history of American landscape painting rather than in the journals themselves. If the intent was to study the journals&#8217; own record, the correct conclusion is that Albert Bierstadt is not part of it.</p>
<h2>Summary</h2>
<p>Albert Bierstadt (1830–1902) is not named in any journal entry by any narrator of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. He was born after the expedition concluded and worked in the second half of the nineteenth century. His association with Lewis and Clark is cultural and illustrative, mediated by later editors and curators who have used his Western landscapes to evoke terrain the Corps of Discovery had described in words. Within the strict evidentiary scope of the expedition journals, there is nothing further to report.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org/analysis/albert-bierstadt-a-painter-beyond-the-journals/">Albert Bierstadt: A Painter Beyond the Journals</a> appeared first on <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org">Lewis &amp; Clark Research Database</a>.</p>
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		<title>Charles Marion Russell: The Cowboy Artist and the Lewis &#038; Clark Imagination</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 17:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>A Figure Outside the Journal RecordCharles Marion Russell is tagged in this project as a key figure associated with the Lewis and Clark expedition, but a search of the journal corpus produces zero entries. This is not an oversight of…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>A Figure Outside the Journal Record</h2>
<p>Charles Marion Russell is tagged in this project as a key figure associated with the Lewis and Clark expedition, but a search of the journal corpus produces zero entries. This is not an oversight of tagging or transcription. Russell was born in St. Louis on March 19, 1864 — fifty-eight years after the Corps of Discovery completed its return journey in September 1806, and forty-five years after William Clark&#8217;s death in 1838. He could not have been mentioned by Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John Ordway, Joseph Whitehouse, Charles Floyd, or Robert Frazer, because he did not yet exist when their journals were written.</p>
<p>Because the source base for this biographical synthesis is the expedition journals themselves, there are no narrator citations, no datable encounters, no quotable passages in OCR or otherwise. Any account of Russell&#8217;s relationship to Lewis and Clark therefore belongs to reception history rather than to the primary record, and this entry is correspondingly brief and clearly bounded.</p>
<h2>Why Russell Is Tagged as a Key Figure</h2>
<p>The likely reason Russell appears in a Lewis and Clark key-figure list is his enduring role as the expedition&#8217;s most influential visual interpreter. Russell, known as the &#8220;Cowboy Artist,&#8221; spent his adult life in Montana — much of it within the same upper Missouri and Sun River country that Lewis and Clark traversed in 1805 and 1806. He painted, sketched, and modeled scenes from the expedition repeatedly across his career, and his images circulated widely in books, magazines, and public buildings.</p>
<p>His best-known expedition work is the large mural <em>Lewis and Clark Meeting the Flathead Indians at Ross&#8217; Hole</em> (also titled <em>Lewis and Clark Meeting the Indians at Ross&#8217; Hole</em>), completed in 1912 for the Montana State Capitol in Helena, where it still hangs behind the Speaker&#8217;s rostrum in the House of Representatives chamber. The painting depicts the September 4, 1805 encounter recorded in the journals — a meeting that the journal narrators themselves describe, though without Russell present to witness it. For that historical encounter, the relevant primary citations are to Clark, Gass, Ordway, and Whitehouse for early September 1805, not to Russell.</p>
<h2>What the Journals Actually Say — and Don&#8217;t Say</h2>
<p>Because Russell is absent from the corpus, this section cannot quote him or any narrator describing him. Readers seeking primary documentation of the events Russell later painted should consult the journal entries for the relevant dates and places: the Ross&#8217; Hole / Bitterroot Valley meeting in early September 1805; the portage of the Great Falls of the Missouri in June and July 1805; the encounters with the Blackfeet on the Marias in late July 1806; and the Mandan and Hidatsa winter of 1804–1805. Those entries exist in the corpus and are tagged to their actual narrators and dates. Russell&#8217;s images are interpretations of those entries, not additions to them.</p>
<h2>The Limits of This Entry</h2>
<p>This synthesis deliberately does not reconstruct Russell&#8217;s biography, artistic training, marriage to Nancy Cooper Russell, friendships with Montana cowboys and Blackfeet acquaintances, or the catalogue of his Lewis and Clark works beyond what is necessary to explain his tagging here. Those details belong to art history and to Montana history, and they are well covered in dedicated scholarship and in the collections of the C. M. Russell Museum in Great Falls, Montana, and the Montana Historical Society in Helena. They are not, however, supported by the Lewis and Clark journal record, which is the evidentiary basis this project is committed to.</p>
<h2>A Note on Reception History</h2>
<p>The presence of a post-expedition artist in a key-figure index is a useful reminder that the Lewis and Clark journals have two lives: the documentary life of 1804–1806, recorded by the captains and enlisted journalists in real time, and the interpretive life that began with Nicholas Biddle&#8217;s 1814 paraphrase and has continued through Elliott Coues, Reuben Gold Thwaites, Bernard DeVoto, Gary E. Moulton, and visual interpreters from Russell to contemporary Native artists revisiting the same encounters from Indigenous perspectives. Russell sits squarely in that second life. His paintings are evidence of how early-twentieth-century Montanans wanted to remember the expedition — heroic, picturesque, and centered on dramatic intercultural meetings — but they are not evidence of what happened in 1805.</p>
<h2>Sources Cited in This Entry</h2>
<p>None from the expedition journals. The corpus contains zero entries mentioning Charles Marion Russell, and this synthesis has accordingly avoided fabricating any. For primary documentation of the historical events Russell later depicted, consult the dated journal entries of Lewis, Clark, Gass, Ordway, Whitehouse, Floyd, and Frazer for the corresponding days of the expedition. For Russell himself, consult sources outside this corpus.</p>
<h2>Summary</h2>
<p>Charles Marion Russell is a key figure in the cultural memory of the Lewis and Clark expedition but not in its documentary record. He was born in 1864 and could not have been mentioned by any expedition narrator. The zero-entry result returned by this corpus is correct, not a gap to be filled. Researchers interested in Russell&#8217;s expedition imagery should turn to art-historical sources; researchers interested in the events he painted should turn to the journal entries for those specific days, where the actual eyewitnesses speak for themselves.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org/analysis/charles-marion-russell-the-cowboy-artist-and-the-lewis-clark-imagination/">Charles Marion Russell: The Cowboy Artist and the Lewis &#038; Clark Imagination</a> appeared first on <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org">Lewis &amp; Clark Research Database</a>.</p>
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		<title>George Catlin in the Lewis &#038; Clark Journal Record</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>A Note on SourcesGeorge Catlin (1796–1872) is not mentioned in any entry of the Lewis and Clark journals. The dataset underlying this synthesis contains zero tagged appearances of Catlin across the journals of Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>A Note on Sources</h2>
<p>George Catlin (1796–1872) is not mentioned in any entry of the Lewis and Clark journals. The dataset underlying this synthesis contains zero tagged appearances of Catlin across the journals of Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John Ordway, Joseph Whitehouse, or Charles Floyd. This absence is not an oversight in the record — it is a simple matter of chronology and biography. Catlin was eight years old when the Corps of Discovery departed Camp Dubois in May 1804, and he would not begin his celebrated career as a painter of Native American peoples until the late 1820s, more than two decades after the expedition&#8217;s return in September 1806.</p>
<p>Because there are no primary-source entries to quote, analyze, or cross-reference, this article cannot follow the usual format of citing narrator and date for each appearance. Instead, what follows is a brief contextual note explaining why Catlin is sometimes associated with the Lewis and Clark record in popular memory, and why he nevertheless does not belong to the expedition&#8217;s documentary corpus.</p>
<h2>Why Catlin Is Often Linked to the Expedition</h2>
<p>Readers encountering nineteenth-century materials about the Upper Missouri frequently see Lewis and Clark&#8217;s written descriptions paired with Catlin&#8217;s later paintings of the Mandan, Hidatsa, Arikara, Crow, Lakota, Assiniboine, and Blackfeet peoples. This pairing is editorial rather than historical. Catlin traveled up the Missouri River aboard the steamboat <em>Yellow Stone</em> in 1832 — twenty-six years after Lewis and Clark — and spent time at Fort Union and at the Mandan villages near present-day Bismarck, North Dakota. The Mandan villages he painted were in the same vicinity as the Knife River villages where the Corps wintered in 1804–1805 at Fort Mandan, but the populations Catlin documented were already in profound transition, and within a few years of his visit the Mandan would be devastated by the smallpox epidemic of 1837.</p>
<p>Catlin&#8217;s portraits and village scenes have therefore been used by later editors, museum curators, and documentary filmmakers as visual companions to the journals. This is a useful but anachronistic juxtaposition: the people Lewis and Clark met — Sheheke (Big White), Black Cat, Le Borgne, and others named in the journals — are not the same individuals Catlin painted, though some of Catlin&#8217;s Mandan and Hidatsa subjects may have been their children or grandchildren.</p>
<h2>What the Journals Actually Contain</h2>
<p>For readers seeking the expedition&#8217;s own visual and descriptive record of the peoples Catlin would later paint, the journals themselves are the primary source. Clark&#8217;s ethnographic notes on the Mandan villages during the winter of 1804–1805, Lewis&#8217;s detailed observations of dress and ornament, and the lists of vocabulary and trade items compiled at Fort Mandan are the actual contemporaneous documentation. The expedition produced no formal portraits — there were no trained artists in the Corps — though Clark&#8217;s maps and the occasional sketch in the field notebooks (such as Lewis&#8217;s drawings of fish, plants, and the Great Falls) constitute the visual record.</p>
<p>It was precisely this gap — the lack of pictorial documentation from the expedition — that artists like Catlin, Karl Bodmer (who accompanied Prince Maximilian of Wied up the Missouri in 1833–1834), and later Alfred Jacob Miller would fill, each in their own decade and with their own ethnographic and aesthetic agenda.</p>
<h2>A Sparse Record by Necessity</h2>
<p>Because this figure entry is built on zero journal appearances, no claims can be made here about what Lewis, Clark, or any member of the Corps thought of George Catlin, met him, corresponded with him, or influenced his work directly. Catlin himself was an admirer of the expedition and read the published Biddle edition of the journals (1814); his own writings, particularly <em>Letters and Notes on the Manners, Customs, and Condition of the North American Indians</em> (1841), reference the expedition as a precedent for his own travels. But that is Catlin&#8217;s record, not the expedition&#8217;s, and falls outside the scope of this synthesis.</p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>George Catlin belongs to the afterlife of the Lewis and Clark expedition rather than to its documentary record. He is a figure through whom later generations have come to picture the Upper Missouri world the Corps described in words, but he is not a figure named, met, or anticipated in the journals themselves. Any biographical synthesis grounded strictly in the expedition&#8217;s primary sources must acknowledge this absence rather than fill it with speculation. Researchers interested in the visual counterpart to the journals are better served by consulting Catlin&#8217;s and Bodmer&#8217;s published portfolios as independent nineteenth-century sources, read alongside — but not conflated with — the 1804–1806 journal entries.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org/analysis/george-catlin-in-the-lewis-clark-journal-record/">George Catlin in the Lewis &#038; Clark Journal Record</a> appeared first on <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org">Lewis &amp; Clark Research Database</a>.</p>
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		<title>Karl Bodmer: A Note on Absence from the Lewis &#038; Clark Journals</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>OverviewThis biographical synthesis is unusual because it must begin with a clarification: Karl Bodmer (1809–1893), the Swiss-born painter whose watercolors and aquatints of the upper Missouri River and its Indigenous peoples remain among the most celebrated visual records of the…</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org/analysis/karl-bodmer-a-note-on-absence-from-the-lewis-clark-journals/">Karl Bodmer: A Note on Absence from the Lewis &#038; Clark Journals</a> appeared first on <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org">Lewis &amp; Clark Research Database</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Overview</h2>
<p>This biographical synthesis is unusual because it must begin with a clarification: Karl Bodmer (1809–1893), the Swiss-born painter whose watercolors and aquatints of the upper Missouri River and its Indigenous peoples remain among the most celebrated visual records of the early American West, is <strong>not mentioned in any entry of the Lewis and Clark journals</strong>. The dataset underlying this article contains zero tagged appearances across the writings of Meriwether Lewis, William Clark, Patrick Gass, John Ordway, Joseph Whitehouse, and Charles Floyd.</p>
<h2>Why Bodmer Does Not Appear in the Record</h2>
<p>The reason is straightforward and chronological. The Lewis and Clark Expedition departed from Camp Dubois in May 1804 and returned to St. Louis in September 1806. Karl Bodmer was born on 11 February 1809 — nearly three years <em>after</em> the Corps of Discovery completed its journey. He was a small child in Switzerland during the years the captains were composing their journals, and he would not cross the Atlantic until 1832, when he accompanied Prince Maximilian zu Wied-Neuwied on the German naturalist&#8217;s celebrated expedition up the Missouri River (1832–1834).</p>
<p>Any attempt to locate Bodmer in the Lewis and Clark journals is therefore an anachronism. He belongs to the next generation of Missouri River travelers — a generation that drew heavily on the geographic and ethnographic groundwork the captains had laid, but that operated in a transformed landscape of fur-trade posts, steamboats, and established American presence.</p>
<h2>The Connection That Is Often Imagined</h2>
<p>Readers sometimes conflate Bodmer&#8217;s images with the Lewis and Clark experience because his paintings depict many of the same peoples the expedition encountered: the Mandan, Hidatsa, Arikara, Assiniboine, Crow, Blackfeet, and others. When modern editions of the Lewis and Clark journals are illustrated, Bodmer&#8217;s portraits and village scenes are frequently reproduced alongside the text, since the captains themselves produced almost no finished pictorial record of the people they met. Clark&#8217;s maps and the occasional rough sketch in the journals constitute nearly the whole of the expedition&#8217;s visual archive.</p>
<p>This editorial pairing — Lewis and Clark&#8217;s words with Bodmer&#8217;s images — has been so common in twentieth- and twenty-first-century publishing that the painter is sometimes loosely associated with the expedition itself. The association is interpretive, not historical. Bodmer painted Mandan earth-lodge villages roughly thirty years after Lewis and Clark wintered among the Mandan in 1804–1805, and only a few years before the smallpox epidemic of 1837 devastated those same communities.</p>
<h2>What the Journals Say About Visual Documentation</h2>
<p>Because Bodmer is absent from the record, the question of how the expedition itself approached visual representation deserves brief mention. The journals contain Clark&#8217;s cartographic work, occasional diagrams (such as Clark&#8217;s sketches of fish, leaves, and the keelboat), and verbal descriptions that often substitute for images. Lewis&#8217;s instructions from Thomas Jefferson emphasized written observation, specimen collection, and mapping, not painting. No professional artist accompanied the Corps. Whatever pictorial sense we have of the peoples and places Lewis and Clark encountered comes either from the captains&#8217; prose or from later artists — most prominently George Catlin (who traveled the Missouri in 1832, the same year Bodmer arrived) and Bodmer himself.</p>
<h2>Sources Consulted</h2>
<p>For this entry, the journal corpus was searched for any reference to Bodmer, to a Swiss or German painter, or to artists generally in the context that might suggest his presence. <strong>No such references exist.</strong> The narrators of the expedition — Lewis, Clark, Gass, Ordway, Whitehouse, and Floyd — make no mention of him, as none of them could have known of him.</p>
<h2>A Note on Method</h2>
<p>This article exists to document an absence rather than a presence. In a comprehensive biographical index of figures associated, even loosely, with the Lewis and Clark Expedition, Bodmer&#8217;s name often surfaces because of the visual-cultural pairing described above. It is appropriate to include him in such an index only with the explicit caveat that he is a <em>posthumous illustrator</em> of the world the expedition described — a near-contemporary witness to its aftermath, not a participant in or chronicler of its events.</p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>The journal record offers nothing on Karl Bodmer because there was nothing to offer. Readers seeking to understand his contribution to our visual imagination of the upper Missouri should turn to Maximilian zu Wied&#8217;s <em>Travels in the Interior of North America</em> (1839–1841), which Bodmer illustrated, and to the Joslyn Art Museum&#8217;s collection of his original watercolors. Readers seeking to understand what Lewis and Clark themselves saw must rely, as the captains intended, on their words.</p>
<p><em>Sources are sparse — indeed, nonexistent — within the expedition journals themselves. This entry is therefore a clarification rather than a synthesis, and it draws no quotations from the primary record because none exist to draw.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org/analysis/karl-bodmer-a-note-on-absence-from-the-lewis-clark-journals/">Karl Bodmer: A Note on Absence from the Lewis &#038; Clark Journals</a> appeared first on <a href="https://lewisandclarkresearch.org">Lewis &amp; Clark Research Database</a>.</p>
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		<title>Le Prisonnier de Ste. Helene and L&#8217;hirondelle (Pashia Family Papers)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2026 13:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The Prisoner of St. Helena (Pashia Family Papers variant) Why run from me flying swallow Ah! Come fly close to me Why flee me when my voice calls you Am I not a traveler like you (bis) Maybe alas the places that saw you born A cruel fate removes you as well as me Come lodge your bed under my window...</p>
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<p>The Prisoner of St. Helena<br />
(Pashia Family Papers variant)</p>
<p>Why run from me flying swallow<br />
Ah! Come fly close to me<br />
Why flee me when my voice calls you<br />
Am I not a traveler like you (bis)</p>
<p>Maybe alas the places that saw you born<br />
A cruel fate removes you as well as me<br />
Come lodge your bed under my window<br />
Am I not exiled like you (bis)</p>
<p>In this desert fate gathers us<br />
Do not fear to stay there with me<br />
If you moan we will moan together<br />
Am I not exiled like you (bis)</p>
<p>When the spring will give you your smile back<br />
You will leave my shelter and myself<br />
You will fly to the land of the zephyr<br />
Can I not sadly fly there like you</p>
<p>You will see again your first homeland<br />
The first nest of your loves and myself<br />
A cruel fate confines me here, my life<br />
Don&#8217;t I have a right more to complain than you</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>The Swallow<br />
To Mademoiselle de Vincy<br />
(as published in Les Confidences, by Alphonse de Lamartine)</p>
<p>Why run from me flying swallow<br />
Come rest your wing next to me<br />
Why flee me? A heart is calling you<br />
Am I not a traveler like you?</p>
<p>In this desert, fate gathers us<br />
Go; do not fear to stay there with me<br />
If you moan, we will moan together<br />
Am I not isolated like you?</p>
<p>Maybe, alas! From the roof that saw you born<br />
A cruel fate removes you as well as me<br />
Come take shelter in my window<br />
Am I not exiled like you?</p>
<p>Do you need wool for the layer<br />
Of your little ones shivering near me?<br />
I will warm their sleeping bag under my mouth<br />
Have I not seen my mother like you?</p>
<p>Do you see there, on the shore of France<br />
This loved threshold that is opened for me<br />
Val carry the branch of hope<br />
Am I not her bird like you?</p>
<p>Do not pity me Oh the tyranny<br />
From my country close the threshold for me<br />
To regain the banished freedom<br />
Do we not have our skies like you?</p>
<h2>Original French Text</h2>
<p>Le prisonnier de Ste. Helene<br />
(Pashia Family Papers variant)</p>
<p>Pourquoi me fuir passagère hirondelle<br />
Ah ! viens fixer ton vol au pres de moi<br />
Pourquoi me fuir lorsque ma voix t&#8217;appelle<br />
Ne suis-je pas voyageur comme toi &#8211; (bis)</p>
<p>Peut-être hélas des lieux qui tant vu naitre<br />
Un sort cruel t&#8217;éloigne ainsi que moi<br />
Viens déposer ton nid sous ma fenêtre<br />
Ne suis-je pas exilé comme toi (bis)</p>
<p>Dans ce désert le destin nous rassemble<br />
la ne crains pas d&#8217;y rester avec moi<br />
Si tu gémis nous gémiront ensemble<br />
Ne suis-je pas exilé comme toi (bis)</p>
<p>Quand le printemps reviendra te sourire<br />
Tu quitteras et mon exile et moi<br />
Tu voleras au pays du zéphire<br />
Ne suis-je hélas y voler comme toi</p>
<p>Tu reverras ta première patrie<br />
Le premier nid de tes amours et moi<br />
Un sort cruel confine ici, ma vie<br />
Ne suis-je pas plus à plaindre que toi</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>L&#8217;hirondelle<br />
A Mademoiselle de Vincy<br />
(as published in Les Confidences, by Alphonse de Lamartine)</p>
<p>Pourquoi me fuir, passagère hirondelle ?<br />
Viens reposer ton aile auprès de moi.<br />
Pourquoi me fuir ? c&#8217;est un cœur qui t&#8217;appelle<br />
Ne suis-je pas voyageur comme toi ?</p>
<p>Dans ce désert le destin nous rassemble.<br />
Va, ne crains pas d&#8217;y nicher près de moi.<br />
Si tu gémis, nous gémirons ensemble.<br />
Ne suis-je pas isolé comme toi ?</p>
<p>Peut-être, hélas ! du toit qui t&#8217;a vu naître,<br />
Un sort cruel te chasse ainsi que moi ;<br />
Viens t&#8217;abriter au mur de ma fenêtre.<br />
Ne suis-je pas exilé comme toi ?</p>
<p>As-tu besoin de laine pour la couche<br />
De tes petits frissonnant près de moi ?<br />
J&#8217;échaufferai leur duvet sous ma bouche.<br />
N&#8217;ai-je pas vu ma mère comme toi ?</p>
<p>Vois-tu là-bas, sur la rive de France,<br />
Ce seuil aimé qui s&#8217;est ouvert pour moi ?<br />
Val portes-y le rameau d&#8217;espérance.<br />
Ne suis-je pas son oiseau comme toi ?</p>
<p>Ne me plains pas Ahi si la tyrannie<br />
De mon pays ferme le seuil pour moi,<br />
Pour retrouver la liberté bannie,<br />
N&#8217;avons-nous pas notre ciel comme toi ?</p>
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		<title>Mike Lyall on Cowlitz History and Lewis &#038; Clark</title>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh you&#8217;re so quiet and timid we got to get you together get you focused we&#8217;re going to have a speaker so we I get ready so everybody hands on your knees eyes forward 1 2 3 good morning boys and girls good morning all right good morning good to see you glad you can be here you are now the tense of many voices and this is called core Discovery 2 and we are traveling National mobile exhibit we&#8217;ve been traveling all over the country we&#8217;ve seen so many places since we started out we started out in the year 2003 in the home of Thomas Jefferson in monachello in Virginia and we&#8217;ve been traveling all the way across the country and we finally reached the ocean and next year we&#8217;ll be coming all the way back and we&#8217;ll end up in St Louis that&#8217;s where Louis and Clark were 200 years ago and we&#8217;ll finish up there in September 23 2006 now here in this Mobile T what we do is we have a lot of presenters and speakers they come from all over the country to tell their story and interpretation of lwis and Clark we have native presenters such as singers and dancers and Poets we have Scholars people that have studied lisis and Clark they take the old um journals and they research them every day and they look at them so we have a lot of different people that come to this tent and tell the story of Louis and Clark so here today we have a special presenter we have Mike iel he&#8217;s a director of Natural Resources Council for the CIS tribe he&#8217;s also the vice chair of the tribal council so let&#8217;s give a nice warm welcome put your hands together for Mike AEL good morning good morning uh going to tell you some things you probably know and some stuff you don&#8217;t know uh first start out by welcoming you to ket&#8217;s Country um some of you may not be aware but before after it was CET country you are in Prince rubberland you didn&#8217;t know that one yeah Prince rubberland you&#8217;re part of Great Britain right here you&#8217;re in you&#8217;re you&#8217;re English now and then later on this would become part of Oregon over there except this was part of Oregon too and later on after that it would become Washington territory a part of Nebraska so in just a few moments we&#8217;ve gone from England to Oregon to Nebraska we&#8217;re back to Washington he didn&#8217;t even feel like you moved so anyway I&#8217;ll start out with a little bit of History uh in 1827 Governor Simpson said skena track runs from off the pet sound and Strikes the Colombia near point bellw skena was the college Chief and skena was the high chief cic were a little unusual in that we had 20,000 people many different villages with one Chief one high chief and that was skena he was my great great grandfather uh later on Governor Stevens would call skena track the C Trail and so you&#8217;re at the southern end of this the cets trail we were Traders we we like to trade uh our money in a long time ago was a special little shell called the dent talum and that little shell was also called hiqua and that was our money and it was exchanged in in what they called a fathom which was like 3 ft long and a fathom of the large shells was worth a huge amount of money and we know that that those little shells had great value because in South Dakota which is over over here right in here clear over there they had our dentum shells and we know that because the spiral flute D taum shell comes from only one place in the world and it&#8217;s right up the map right here on the Northern point of Vancouver Island and the queen Charlottes it&#8217;s the only place in the world that little shell comes from and I&#8217;ve talked to people from uh Connecticut that tell me that they have Den talum shells there as well so Vancouver was a trading post hundreds if not thousands of years before Lewis and Clark got here when Lewis and Clark came here they said said that this was a Marketplace equal to any in the world they saw people with sailor suits rifles pistols metal pots all things that they&#8217; got from Europeans when Lewis and Clark came down the river and one of the big things that I have to laugh at my ancestors is we didn&#8217;t pick up on the significance of a boat loaded tour us coming down the river we&#8217;d seen people come up the river but we never realized anything important would be from somebody coming down the river so when you look at the map you see that me they came from here we&#8217;d seen people come from the ocean but we didn&#8217;t realize that they came from the other ocean too and that&#8217;s something that we didn&#8217;t realize so we&#8217;ll move on uh we traded and we traded from Canada down to California and in to the mountains of Idaho that&#8217;s how far we traveled uh I know that leis and Clark never met my ancestors because skena and all his sons were were large tall men for the time they were all over 6 foot tall Captain Clark was a very tall man he was 6ot and he would have noticed if there were tall indans there so I know that he didn&#8217;t meet them because our uh tribal history said that skena was away in business in in Canada when Louis and Clark came through so we know that that that those people didn&#8217;t meet with them so now I need to to talk about what did we eat well we ate salmon we had deer elk wapo Camas and berries and we would the fish came to us it was pretty neat setup really we grew the the the cus and the wapo and uh we would go to the mountains and pick the berries our tribe had a a special arrangement with the akamas we would trade salmon on the cetz river for berries on Mount Adams which today it seems kind of funny but at the time salmon were almost as common of sand on the beach and we could get berries for those salmon so uh and we had berries and we were able to preserve our food something that Louis and Clark couldn&#8217;t do you guys know that uh were Louis and Clark really hungry when they got hairs anybody know that yeah they were starving all the time they got here because they didn&#8217;t have the ability to preserve their food we preserved our food and we were able to do it better than than they would and uh as a result when they come into our villages we were able to serve them meals and we gave them berries we gave them berries in November and December like right now we were able to go and pull them out of the cupboard and there was some nice fresh you know berries that we could serve up for our guests so that was that was how we what we ate and that was how we preserved our food we had large houses some of the houses were huge they&#8217;re like modern apartment houses the uh large bigger uh plank houses were 200 ft long that&#8217;s almost as big as a football field and inside those houses there&#8217;d be partitions to where there would be each family would live inside the house just like an apartment house today and some of those houses were called plank houses and some were called long houses it just depended on where you lived but they were made out of boards and they were easily bigger than this tent and uh they were warm and comfortable houses so I already posed a question did we meet with Lewis and Clark and the answer is Maybe uh Lewis and Clark called us scutes which when you say callets and scutes uh it could well be uh because it&#8217;s really important to know that that the way we set our words the pronunciation of of Indian words was impossible for the Europeans and the Europeans their words were impossible for us to say so we had this case to where we couldn&#8217;t communicate so we had to guess and Lois and Clark called us scutes they called us huel and ketc now ketc means place of the cets and place of the cets is right here on the CET River and the Lewis River and along the Columbia River now for a very very long time I had read and I&#8217;d studied and i&#8217; i&#8217; even seen that one of the the great historians had misunderstood kitc he thought it meant River of the Kitz but once you understand that kitc means a place of the CET then it can be applied to more than one River and uh Lewis and Clark said of us we hear they are numerous they said that a couple different times and how numerous were we we were one of the biggest tribes in the Northwest we were 20,000 and uh we look right here see off the Puget Sound is Olympia and down here to point bellw is the Confluence of the wamit in the Columbia so we lived between Olympia and Portland and out to the West we lived out to Modern Raymond down through the wipa hills to the Columbia and then back up the the Columbia River to the Wind River and up the Cascades up to mount reineer and then over to Olympia it was a huge area we were a very large tribe and we had a huge amount of area so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s who we were that&#8217;s where we lived after Lewis and Clark the fur Traders came and our his our history said that our chief went to Fort George and Fort George is down right here by the mouth of the Columbia we call it asoria today and our chief went to the to the fur Traders and said I don&#8217;t like traveling this far can you move your your Trading Post closer to home and the Trading Post closer to home is here so the reason that Vancouver is here is because our chief went to Fort George and asked the fur traders to relocate closer to home and that closer to home became Vancouver so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s our connection with this area and after the fur Traders came then the settlers moved in and there were Indian Wars and during the Indian Wars our people joined the army my name my first name is Francis and I was I took me a long time to get used to that name and then I found out that that my first name is really someone else&#8217;s last name because my great-grandfather served with a lieutenant Francis in the Indian Wars and that name came into the family and he named his son my grandfather and then my father had the name and now me so I my first name is actually somebody else&#8217;s last name after the Indian Wars we we resisted signing a treaty after we had fought the wars the settler or the the United States wanted us to go live on the reservation and turn in our guns and go live with the people that we just defeated we didn&#8217;t think that&#8217;d be a good idea so we told them no and then at a later date we decided we&#8217;re going to have to to struggle for a recognition and prove who we are and we had a chief his name was atan stockham and he was appointed Chief by Lieutenant ulyses Grant and just right over here is Grant house and uh ulyses Grant made Antoine stockham the chief of the colge and atan started the the fight for recognition and 150 years later we finished that fight for recognition and we we were granted status that&#8217;s special to us it&#8217;s called acknowledged it means we knew you were here but now we understand that you really are the cat&#8217;s people and that was our history up to now so what do we do today well I&#8217;m director of Natural Resources Department today I have two dams in Rel lensing one on the callets one on the Lewis we&#8217;re working on salmon tracking on the toodle River and uh I&#8217;ve got biologists working for me that are checking gear for chronic wasting disease we&#8217;re checking Goose populations for their health we&#8217;re working to uh restore salmon passages to different areas and uh we&#8217;re working to protect cultural resources right here this bridge that&#8217;s if you could look out and see it just right you&#8217;d see there&#8217;s a bridge across the Columbia River that&#8217;s going to be replaced and when that&#8217;s replaced it&#8217;s going to disrupt a whole bunch of of uh surface and under that surface because people lived here for maybe 10,000 years there will be the the graves of of people so that&#8217;s things that we do so if anyone has any questions I&#8217;d be happy to answer it if you have a question what I do is I come to you after you raise your hand and then you ask the question and everyone can hear it so go ahead raise your hand if you have a question for Mike clat of people were did did they who was their last Chief or who was the courage I don&#8217;t know the name of the last chief of the classup but I can tell you that uh the classup people came up here and traded and if you this is an assignment for the teachers now you read the Molton Lois and Clark Journal set in book six and book seven and in book Seven it explains the role of the classup and the scutes and I&#8217;ll use the more modern map though the clups live down here the clups were intermediaries between the people on the the Upper Valley and the Lower Valley and so when Lewis and Clark said the Chinooks have been at war with the scales and the scal the Chinooks are not allowed above the war kayaks the clups were free to come up here the shinook weren&#8217;t the clups came up traded took the goods back down to the shinuk and the shinuk would give them goods and the clups would take them back and so that&#8217;s the role of the clups any other questions more questions okay let&#8217;s go back here what is your question are science are scientists still working on the project to find um where Lu and Clark are or where they also went are scientists still working on the project to find where L and Clark um also went uh I think we know where they went but I uh I know that uh one of the people in the Park Service Doug Wilson is out at Fort classup today and they&#8217;re working to find out all of the information they can at the the site of the fort classic to find out how long they were there and and what they ate while they were there and other things like that any more questions we got one back here all right good have you been able to preserve your native language and do you personally speak anything other than English uh I don&#8217;t speak anything other than English um I was probably the worst student on the planet so I always tell people English is my only foreign language but uh not me but other people in our tribe are preserving our Salish language the Kat had two languages the Salish we shared with the shahis the two languages are almost identical and the sahaptin we shared with the yakas in fact all of the yakam or the sahaptin speakers when they came here they were called click itats and click attat is really means sahap speaker we have a question over here I will come over here to you and you can tell your question how do you know that they used it all the stuff that you have here how do they know that they use what all the stuff that&#8217;s here all the Stu it&#8217;s here you mean like here on the table out there you mean like uh salmon and and Cedar that type of thing I I can tell you that Lois and Clark took really good notes and when you read those journals uh teachers it&#8217;s book six and book seven and then maybe one of the neatest one is the one that nobody knows about and that&#8217;s the White House journals does any of the teachers know about the White House journals raise your hand okay Joseph White House was a private with Lewis and Clark and Joseph sometimes he had Duty and he was gathering firewood and peeling potatoes and doing Army things but other days Joseph had some free time and when Joseph wrote Joseph was one of the only Journal keeper to write active entries so Joseph&#8217;s entries were written as they occurred everybody else wrote their entries they took notes and then they recreated them years later so sometimes on the days Joseph was free he gives us the best picture of everything and that&#8217;s book 11 and for you guys to study the journals the easiest and best way is to pick the date so like we would just say November 28th 1805 and go back and look and find out what happened any other questions question over let&#8217;s go it over here did any of the uh Eastern Oregon Indian tribes like the ellos and the caus did they were they involved in any of the trading down here oh absolutely uh the word Shoni in jargon means person from the interior so we know that people from Idaho came here we know that uh people from California came here and traded and we know that the uh well at least I&#8217;ve been studying it I believe there&#8217;s a people called wakan Nish Waki and I believe wanas SE and those are people called nutkin from the northern tip of Vancouver Island and those people were here all right we have uh time for maybe one more question let&#8217;s go over here how do you how do you know uh where Lis and Clark is bed how do you know where Lu and Clark are buried well um I think it&#8217;s written in in a history book uh Lewis is buried and I don&#8217;t know where somewhere down South Tennessee Tennessee yeah just Trail they see and then Clark lived a long happy life and died a very old man so they and and he he he wrote down a lot of stories and I think he I don&#8217;t know where he&#8217;s buried but St Louis St Louis Missouri right I I think it&#8217;s time for us to go but we got one more question if somebody&#8217;s ready let&#8217;s have one more question from this young man right over here go ahead do you do you think or know if leis and Clark pass through this spot where this T of voes is that do you think or no if leis and Clark passed where this spot is right here I think it&#8217;s really quite likely that yes they did pass by here uh the only thing is is on the way down I think they stopped on the airport side I don&#8217;t think they stopped on this side of the river so but on the way back they spent a couple days here because uh they sent a scouting party up the wamit river so uh they&#8217;ve certainly looked at this place if they didn&#8217;t stand here all right let&#8217;s give a nice big round of applause for Mike iel</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good morning I am I would like to introduce you welcome you to the core Discovery 2 we are doing by land what Lewis and Clark were able to do by water which is to follow the Lewis and Clark Trail this is a commemoration of by Centennial and so true to 1806 whenever Louis and park were making a hasty return to St l Louis so are we we&#8217;ve got about 6 months and we&#8217;ll be back in St Louis this September every town that we go to we get local presenters to come in and speak in the T of many voices where you are right now and so this morning I would like to introduce you to Patricia Allen she&#8217;s a member of the culture committee for the grand Federated tribes of grand Ron and this morning she&#8217;s going to talk to you about living off of the land so if you all please give Patricia a warm welcome we&#8217;ll get started thank you um I&#8217;m uh great grandma grandma and aunt and I was raised customarily traditional all my life where I was um when I was very small but the title of my um talk here is living off the land and what I&#8217;m going to talk about is um how I was learned this and um I learned from my grandma who was a tribal member from Grand Brown her name is uh calling for war Johnson who is uh who lived to be 94 in comparison with my great grandfather John machino who was a clamus my grandmother was of the umaro uh descent so um I want to talk about these things because of the reasoning you know we have seasons for all the harvests that uh We Gather which now we&#8217;re um we&#8217;re going to be into the salmon season the root season and all the Camas and uh these Seasons before we even start doing these Seasons we have a ceremony which will be happening April 23rd uh the harvesting of these foods are the medicinal purposes of our body to survive we have a blessing ceremony thanking the Creator for our survivals uh Ena us also to find these Foods uh we than um we we ask for the safe journey because we had tra we travel a long ways for these we go to the um waters for the salmon we go into the Earth uh into the lands the flat lands for the roots the canas which will we&#8217;re going to be harvesting here in um a week or two and um I want to talk about the foods uh the seasons that uh we get these foods which starts with the spring and that&#8217;s a season uh where uh We Gather our fish and the Camas and the um many other uh Seafoods that we&#8217;re going to served during this ceremony that we&#8217;re having um we also have some um berries and meats that we serve and when we do the servings um because I&#8217;m a uh I was taught to cook in a long housee and prepare these Foods also to preserve them uh it you know it takes a great step to do these things they&#8217;re each done with a lot of time time and effort um which is uh you have a mentor who is teaching you at all times guiding you through these different walks um the salmon in the first in the spring we uh we catch the salmon and then we proceed to um cut them start cutting them and then uh filling them for the feasts that we have and then we also ask if we do have have uh abundant more salmon after that then we start to uh wind dry or smoke dry them and we uh dry them with alter with when we smoke them um we also catch the steel head they have I imagine you you fishermen know that there&#8217;s Wild Ones out there but there&#8217;s the major now is K to put um uh I guess the Wilder to be set free um we we use also um the muscles we use clams we use oysters these are caught uh we have uh certain ones that go down there and do that all these different areas are like guided out with different groups that go to these different areas to do to gather these and each one like I&#8217;ve been taught each one at different times you know you can&#8217;t some are going on at the the same time so you&#8217;re you&#8217;re going to be you know kind of deciding which one you want to is the easiest usually but um I&#8217;ve done all of them and uh I really enjoy what I&#8217;m doing the canas um that is prepared in a oven I mean we do that in the ground we call that an oven because that&#8217;s our mother earth we use that for when we prepare them to barbecue them and we use certain leaves uh to prepare them and we put the we never put the uh the heat above it&#8217;s below the so that they&#8217;ll steam so um that&#8217;s how the canvas is prepared for preserving the cell where we also have a cell released which happens we call it Tupa now today um it uh it&#8217;s plentiful here in Brad round along the main road you can see a lot of growing well you can eat that either raw or you can cook it you know in stews and uh which we um we were terminated in uh 1954 and a lot of our heredity was lost so now we are coming back with these different ceremonies with our pank house that we are um right now in the process of uh building um next the roots that uh also when we do have other roots that we trade for with from the salmon and these roots are like in the desert areas that we know and we have uh people that go over there and like myself I live in the desert I live in Warm Springs well my grandchildren now are today out digging these roots for the ceremony that U is being prepared and uh you usually you go out early in the morning and when you go out you say a prayer when you first touch the land which will be today and uh they&#8217;re um they&#8217;re out there doing the ceremony of gathering because um giving thanks for this wonderful day that we are able to be here and that our children they&#8217;re also taking my children my great grandchildren out there to be with them so that that they&#8217;ll be observant to all the things that are on the land and uh at this time there are um three of The Roots out in the desert that are being uh gathered so they&#8217;re going to be aware and they&#8217;re they&#8217;re little guys I mean you know they&#8217;re little babies they&#8217;re like the oldest is 3 years old and so um they scravel around out there and it&#8217;s really fun you know for them and they have their little diggers we have a little diggers that um they you know take out and try to dig and they have dug I mean you we have a special little service for the children you know because to make them know that it&#8217;s real good and well for them to be participant with the feast you know the Gathering and to be thankful in the summer seasons um we start the Gathering of the berries and the herbs in the Seafoods uh the wild tea and the WAP um the WAP today I want to talk about that because you know the because of the farmers and because of the um the fencing and everything on the land that we are um really don&#8217;t have that much of the the wo as we used to have it&#8217;s become more scarce and um you know a lot of the areas I guess are we haven&#8217;t we have just now begun to come through our programs to try to preserve and save these uh endanger species of uh foods that we have we used and we supplemented on and survived on so now we&#8217;re in that position also with the fish fish and wildlife you know the deer AR in Seasons enabling us to carry on 100 years from now so we&#8217;re we&#8217;re uh we&#8217;re working programs to where you know we&#8217;ll be able to eat this in later life also because it&#8217;s a it it&#8217;s a real it&#8217;s a ceremony for us to um you know not everybody knows where these things are there&#8217;s different areas that we just don&#8217;t talk about because we have to protect it um we um also the clams muscles we go out and gather the muscles along the rocks and the clams you know in the Sands the oysters and we also ate seaweed well I myself my grandmother when I was very small she uh showed me this but I&#8217;ve never eaten it but I know you probably maybe some of you have today but I&#8217;ve never done it but I&#8217;ve um gathered it the crab and wild mushrooms and uh also we go and we gather the eels and uh we have are two specific areas here in um by Grand round which we go to to collect these eels and we um bring them home we clean and we prepare prepare them to dry you know I can I know how to dry them and uh to preserve which um you know is being taught here how to clean them to clean all the oil out I imagine you&#8217;ve seen the eels you fish with them probably sturgeon fisherman use them a lot now but um we uh that&#8217;s a ceremonial food for us because it was you know we used the oil and grease for many things you know for bug bites and you know all kind of different remedies you know the the fish itself was used use for the eel um the um we in the fall we go we we go to the mountains and in the mountains because uh this is a season for the hunting and in that time we go to um gather the berries and also dry the dry the meats the different uh deer or elk whichever we might um spot that day but there&#8217;s a group of people that go out to the mountain because in all this time that&#8217;s carried on the fish are running so as long as the fish run the people will fish as long as the seasons different seasons run the they will they will be there Gathering doing all these different foods until you know to find them for to preserve for their women ner and when and these foods are real important because we have a lot of Ceremonies we use them in um many ceremonies and the the most sacred one is when we put away a person an elder or somebody who has passed away this food is used always we are never without it so through this period we have to preserve and gather up a lot of this I mean it is it&#8217;s a group of people it&#8217;s not just me it&#8217;s a group of people families who gather this it&#8217;s not everybody it&#8217;s just different groups the medicine people they they are considered the medicine people because this uh food that they are gathering is the supplement that they use in ceremonies that we could continue on existing and being who we were brought here to be and to be proud of who we are because we are existing yet today and um we also go uh when we go to the mountains we have we go for the huckleberries elderberries or the thimbleberries these things all of these things in and preserving are dried to keep a lot of them they mix with your um um when you have the when you are drying your eelf meat or deer meat you um you take this uh dry deer meat and you grind it up and they preserve this for especially for elders because by then the elders you know they um the food is too hard for them to eat well how they preserve this is they grind it up and they grind these berries up and they mix them together which will bring the sweet and the substance the protein from the meat for them so that um you know they they don&#8217;t have to work at um what eating something that would normally be okay for a younger person but when you get older your digestive system is um hard to digest a lot of foods so what you&#8217;re going to do is you&#8217;re going to prepare all M for your ERS because we respect high honor our elders and we take care of them and we try to you know help them all through their life you know after they&#8217;ve become because they were our mentors they were our teachers who taught us all these different things I&#8217;m talking today mainly from the woman&#8217;s point of view because um and I imagine you had the men&#8217;s point of what they do because uh the women is the one that is gathering all and working with the foods preparing the foods teaching your children the different ways of foods out there teaching them the the uh things not to bother because of the toxins are in them and uh showing them different um herbs that uh they might use um for different things the different um how to use the fs when you preserve your Foods as layers uh and the Gatherings that they do the basket trees the material you use for basket trees and to gather them in fall and to be able to bring them back you always have a older person these are the ones this is the reason why you&#8217;re taking care of them they&#8217;re sitting like I am waiting and showing taking them to these different areas where they can gather and do all these things that they&#8217;re uh to taught to do and so um my grandmother was a great one because um she taught all of us children we were out there you know Gathering scrambling doing all these things but to us she made it fun for us because uh you know you weren&#8217;t to eat the first you had to wait and uh taste everything you know when everybody else did you knew so you had to take candy along well we went for candy you know so it was it was a fun time she&#8217;d take lunches for us and and it was rather enjoyable for us to be with our grandma and spend that precious time that um she shared um the winter season we come to that and this is a season where we start preparing for the next we do our sewing in and weaving and and the the men will make Nets and the different things that the men do you know I&#8217;m not really um a person to say fully with the men you know the plannings that they do uh in in preparation like for the next year what they expect out of that year and the prayers and the scks that go along with all these different Gathering periods that are done um they prep uh they go out and get the sticks for us when we&#8217;re going to dry different um foods that we have and also you know you need the sticks um because uh I don&#8217;t we were always taught that we were running around you know Gathering sticks because we never knew uh I guess for your when you camp and to do different um things uh the camp to hold your Camp up or to dry in a tree or to make tripods like when you would try do your Heights you had to have have scraped sticks and prepared sticks for that so it wouldn&#8217;t um you know get rid of the bumps and things that it wouldn&#8217;t harm you or do Travis like or you know when you were uh preparing to carry all your stuff out of there um the materials um my grandmother and him there&#8217;s different areas you go to the mountain for your berries and things you go on the flat for your roots uh the mountains that we went to was uh Mount Hood for our berries and whatever we were doing there but it you know uh as I think back you know from all the years we travel like that we would do this you know it was just something that was implanted in us that we did year after year after year after year we never tired of it we were always thankful and joyous because we were able to go out there and my grandma was a long housee cook and she took you know we thought that you know when we went to the mountains and um got huckleberries we thought we were going for maybe 5 10 gallons we didn&#8217;t we went for dozens and dozens of uh you know it wasn&#8217;t just small it was always you know she was a good provider for the fitting that she thought it what she gathered was never enough too because at the end of the year we would all by that time like myself I&#8217;m a gatherer and I do the cutting of fish people come to me and they ask me medicinal purposes through the year do you have this do you have this and by the time the year is up I&#8217;m I&#8217;m depleted now you know and I have two freezers I have two freezers what I I uh put like if I can dry my roots or whatever I have I have to put them in there and freeze them and it&#8217;s it&#8217;s still preserving you know in the freezer that I can&#8217;t if we don&#8217;t have sun in the summer I&#8217;m going to put it in the freezer because you know then like in gallon bags and then like uh during sometime I have 5200 in there because of as the year goes on and the ceremonies that are if I&#8217;m unable to be there then I&#8217;ll automatically take it there have my kids call them up and take it there because they need to use this because this is a the medicine uh that we use is one of the medicines you know for all the people of healing and um healing healing we think is um healing your body but we&#8217;re talking about spiritually because the Creator gave these uh foods to us and this is what we were taught from the very beginning of time and now a lot of the things that we do have are being um extincted you know from us like some of the trees are going and and um this the the WAP is very you know we don&#8217;t have that much anymore like we used plentyful for you know the land and uh because you know we had the population but still we have to keep the teachers around that knows these things that we can instill our children who are from here in grandr the histories and to let them carry on uh to what has been happening to where we were you know when we were terminated there was a great um span there where our children were lost and a lot of them now are we have really enthusiastic people you who the children are being taught the language and everything but I&#8217;m thankful you know that we are still here able to uh bring our family and our tribe back to the true identities that they need to have to live and uh that right now is about all I can think about but uh if we have any questions out there yes now I&#8217;ve never read that in history I mean I&#8217;ve got documentation back to uh my grandfather who uh that&#8217;s like uh two other Generations from me before the reservations and there I haven&#8217;t heard it yeah because this is a vast trading area this is one of the biggest trading areas in in the coast we it was a my grandfather was John Vino and of the clamas they had the biggest trading area it ranged from Portland Oregon even over into washingt up into Washington clear down into California up into Canada yes yes we did yes we did we did do that because we have evident of uh the bones that were being used for uh ceremonial purposes and they had clubs and uh that were made from the whale so we used all the ocean I mentioned the uh the ocean you know the sea very uh animals and creatures that we did use yes definitely for the oils all the fried fruits and meats on this side of the Cascades from mold and mil how did you salt would be unhealthy if you used too much of it for everything well they buried them they buried them and they had cases and they used basket trees is there any more questions yes I&#8217;m going to go ahead and bring the microphone in in the movies we see the some of the Indians maybe after a war party or someone an Indian ding they would build a fire and they would they would uh pull those smoke up put in their body yeah cleanse they use that they use the cleansing system and the sweats you know we had people who lived uh that lived under the ground I mean they dead like holes and I&#8217;ve read that through documentation from my uh grandfather they called them they lived under the ground people I mean you know that was just the way they Liv but they would come out because you know they would come out in uh you know during the days or whatever but I mean that&#8217;s where they slept underground I mean under areas like that it&#8217;s just the way they were I don&#8217;t know why but I mean you know the Creator what the different tribes we have right now five tribes right here I mean that are are in the the Confederate tribes in R but we are um uh we this there&#8217;s 29 different coastal tribes which a lot of them are integr into our tribe I they&#8217;re all our family all of them are our family does anyone else have any other questions for Patricia if not then let&#8217;s all please give her a warm Round of Applause I want to thank you all for being here listening thank Youk and our next presenter is at 11 o&#8217; it&#8217;s Tony</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got he they were never good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the core Discovery 2 and the teny horses I see some familiar faces um for our next presenter this is Neil M and he&#8217;s going to talk about the gateway to Discovery and he does work for a land trust that manages the gateway to Discovery so I&#8217;m going to hand it over to new M please welcome him well thank you it&#8217;s a pleasure to uh be Mak your presentation both representing the Gateway Discovery and then the North Coast L con servy is who I work for and kind of the focus of my part of the program for those of you that have heard Doug Durer you you kind of got the historical context in terms of na na American element I&#8217;m going to focus a little more kind of the scientific side of uh the perspective of not only the historical context by which the the core Discovery come to because as you know for those of you that follow the concept of Discovery usually that includes some element of some unknown or new information and if you make your group small enough uh then everything is new information that is if you&#8217;re just telling your friend next door uh then you could well be be the source of Discovery for a certain piece of information for the person next door although the information may have been known for decades or centuries so the whole idea of Discovery is is kind of squishy and I know people have sort of wrestled with this on the core of Discovery and in a way it&#8217;s been a struggle to say what did they discover you know people had already been living here carrying on ecological interactions with every single element of the landscape for 10,000 years kind of what&#8217;s left to discover so that that&#8217;s one of it is sort of what wasn&#8217;t discovered that people might think was discovered and then what was actually discovered kind of in our cultural context and then the really challenging part and the part we&#8217;re all faced with today is what&#8217;s left to discover that is do we know enough to um sustain a culture like ours uh for the same period of time that the cultures had been functioning in the landscape we now uh inhabit so you can kind of set the time frame for what I&#8217;m talking about is 10,000 years and we&#8217;ll kind of pick 200 years as our operation period and that&#8217;s sort of appropriate given today and all the time that&#8217;s going on a couple of things that uh that I I&#8217;ll mention real quick one is Gateway to Discovery it&#8217;s a real place it&#8217;s uh 850 Square ft it&#8217;s on the south in the seaside for the local people you know it as the laabi gallery but it&#8217;s now uh the Natural History Center and there we we have initially started out to create a center where people would really dis use that Center as the gateway to Discovery that is discovering the incredible place that we have here uh we had to adjust a little bit because once we got going we realized that it wasn&#8217;t really so much in the gateway to e Cola State Park and sadle mountain and hug point and Fort Stevens but that just walking through through the building to the de that overlooks the Estuary ended up being the gateway to a Wildlife Museum I mean so much going on every single day and having been in science for 30 years You&#8217; think I would have known that and I knew there were a lot of Critters around but the Dynamics of it when we have people staff there and volunteers there every day every minute making notes about what just happened out over the deck from the Otters coming in and catching flounders and eating on the logs to the bald eagles catching the fish to the deer quum swimming across the river to millions of anchois coming in to the golds being so stuck with anchois they couldn&#8217;t even move to the blue herand and the king fisher fights and well it just goes on and on so in a way it&#8217;s kind of portrays this idea that when you look closely at anything you you usually find action something&#8217;s going on and that&#8217;s what we found so we sort of modifi you see you get an experience with Discovery at the Gateway Center and then that also leads you to all of the other incredible places uh in this neck of the woods for those of you that maybe haven&#8217;t uh done some of the homework with the Louis and Clark expedition to understand it the best I think you have to understand Jefferson because Jefferson&#8217;s mind was scientific that&#8217;s where he was he was probably the top meteorologist in the nation at that time and he would even make his kids keep notes on the temperature when they were somewhere else you know I mean it was just almost fanatical about it and he had already tried to mount this very Expedition uh in 1783 he was already ated trying to make it happen and they even even collected funds and had someone that he thought that he was going to hire to make this same trip and that sort of didn&#8217;t work out so working through the Philadelphia Phil philosophy Society he had started to organize this Expedition and he just never could get it together and he had all the geography and the scientific information that he was wanting to collect so sort of think about and even by the time he was in Congress he had tried a little run at it just at as a congressional person and had gotten people to put up a whole th000 to to finance the Expedition but it sort of fell on De ears he wasn&#8217;t able to make that happen so it&#8217;s not surprising not too long after he became president that really just kind of pulled the old notes out of his pocket and said okay now nobody can tell me we&#8217;re not going to do this but scientific a scientific expedition in 1800 probably wasn&#8217;t a real hot item and so his challenge was to cloak it in the thing that Americans are pretty good at and that&#8217;s getting more material wealth okay economic get the Furs get the products so that transition you can see it in the documents and in a way you can see the documents being restructured to have this sort of grand benefit to the economics and kind of the social dynamics including one of Jefferson&#8217;s greatest passions which was this idea that unless everybody had a piece of land they were farming there was really no hope for democracy so need a lot more territory to begin with and what he wanted to know was is that all nice and flat and plowable so to speak and of course as you know they come out here and found all these dirty rotten trees just covering the landscape almost as Pest and so it wasn&#8217;t seen as very productive in that very productive what would you do with a tree I mean not that many trees so they were looking for farmland well uh when I say cloaking I I mean that literally I mean including very sophisticated ciphering messages that were written in code to Congress and between Lewis and Jefferson and Jefferson and Congress uh secret coded messages about this Expedition and again that was sort of the political reality of it was Jefferson had already asked the French ambassadors that about what would people think of this if we went into this territory and you know he says that would definitely be considered um by you know by our government and so it be trespassing on our land which at that point was basically Louisiana what became the Louisiana Purchase and of course when we bought the Louisiana that s took care of that problem on that angle but of course we still had the English you know in the west and so there that sort of secret uh continued on until just about the time in which the Expedition left were still sending these coded messages uh so that kind of set the stage but it again I think starts to bring up the idea about Jefferson&#8217;s thought process on this and keep in mind he thought they were going to go find Masons I mean you know they sort of had a little bit of a science fiction perspective this that this West even though like I say you know I think the folks in near San Museum to you know a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Louis Clark expedition you know and that the further they got away from a culture the more culture they found you know literally millions of people already there with full cultures that had uh evolved to very very sophisticated levels and in their own way have developed a science that we&#8217;re still trying to get to that is we haven&#8217;t figured out the kind of Science in which you can uh make interpretations without our seven steps of the scientific method and yet cultures that had been here had resolved most of those science questions about what to eat what to use how to use it how to prepare it how to treat it just about everything you can think of in terms of the the cultural uh adaptations so when it come time for sort of the eventual expedition to to leave there was you know a lot of training that had gone on Le had spent a lot of time with sort of major scientist of of the era uh describing animals describing technique uh spent weeks and weeks getting trained to just run the instruments that were necessary to collect the data about main about survey and geography so um as primitive as it might have been at that point in time compared to today with our you know we just got through mapping the plat of planes the very land that that Clark walked on with a handheld GPS with a aerial photo of the site that wherever you move on the classet planes a new aial photo for that spot Scrolls up cuz it&#8217;s reading the satellites and then it tracks a little red dot on that aerial photo of everywh exactly where you are in the context of that aerial photo and then if you see something there then you just scroll up your little data sheet and plug in US saw these plants that plant this plant this animal that and then it&#8217;s all recorded for that single site you know and then think about the technology but in reality plus or minus a few miles probably in some cases feet uh with those primitive instruments using sort of scientific methodology uh Le was able to make incredible uh Records so again this is Jefferson kind of making sure that all of the elements of making this Expedition uh quite documentary uh had been done with the planning process so that whatever skills Lewis mainly Clark as well didn&#8217;t have they got this through some of the top people in the nation at that point in time so it it it sort of sets the stage for for that uh that part of it uh let me just shift a little bit to sort of what I see as the um historical Sciences of let&#8217;s say the West Coast uh and and in some ways I think people don&#8217;t consider real science if you&#8217;re doing it for basic in a cultural context or for sort of fundamental survival that the s is something that often times is considered abstraction from the context of the culture and you go to some separate environment for the science and then you work up the experiment and the design and do all that and you bring it back to the cultural context so when the when the native Eskimos native alaskans got together with some of the top scientists in the world they started a Cooperative project in which uh the two Sciences merged and what come out of that was that uh they were both inadequate somewhat they both added there were pieces missing from the Native culture uh in their form of Science and then there were pieces missing from out of the western version of it and so out of that come really a whole new powerful kind of science that was embedded in the cultural process it wasn&#8217;t separate or separate from and I think that&#8217;s well that has a lot of Merit it also advances my own Prejudice which is the way we tend to select what we think is good bad and so in a way we&#8217;ve been promoting this idea of Citizen science that is that science is not something that&#8217;s relegated to the science room or to the scientist that it&#8217;s a cultural process and that it benef could benefit benefit us in every way we just been working with a mid that was uh opened up from a little excavation was going on for somebody&#8217;s driveway and uh in that in that mid was uh these shells and um we just s these out just last week really to get some analysis I&#8217;ve already been through them with the stereoscope and there is nothing but clam shells in this entire layer and also with that was the uh was the charcoal that was left after the Clam Lake okay so if you can imagine razor clams I mean this sounds so good to me baking razor clams you know on a dune uh and leaving nothing but the shells and that&#8217;s about as good as it can get but you know when you think about it even with Lewis Lewis is bringing his his science here doesn&#8217;t mention razor clams okay in in the journals so can&#8217;t quite make that connection but you might have had some bad time of the year to be digging plams but think about the weather now get plans just in the last few days here so here&#8217;s this sort of common ground of the razor clown uh not something that&#8217;s found in the 3 to 4,000 year old men in this area very few razor clams but if you get to the 2,000 year radiocarbon material see razor clamps that&#8217;s what this this is all 2000 somewhere between 2,300 years old and razor plans are everywhere uh keep in mind we didn&#8217;t have any sand here until starting about 5,000 years ago the ocean was right back against the head walls all Cobble ridges there almost no sand whatsoever and then somewhere in that intermediate time between 4 and 2000 we start seeing these dudes start to grow and they&#8217;re Grow Again from back against the head wall and then start migrating to the West um so there&#8217;s probably if we get enough good dates there there a point where sort of all of a sudden razor clamps are showing up because we have sand we&#8217;ve got Beach whereas if you look at the mid material from say the pomos site which is in the 4,000 year old era it&#8217;s all Bay material almost zero Marine materials okay cockal Tres gacks Gaper clams all those kind of bay things so there&#8217;s a big transition that went on in terms of the geography here and then you see the razor clam showing up and and this is where I just try to make one point about this idea of how incredibly valuable and exciting it is to know about the place you live because it&#8217;s it gives you an Insight that would be comparable to the native science in which you knew about the processes of the natural landscape because you were a part of that landscape okay unlike our culture which is aart from for the most part some of you maybe living out in the woods and digging roots and stuff but not a lot of folks doing that now so this is that sort of comparative in which knowing about the processes now I could probably almost guarantee you that the folks that dug these plans 2,000 years ago would have been hard to imagine the life cycle of a razor PL and I think that was probably a decade ago or so there used to be a program called Beach was it beach festival or something everybody brought all their stuff to the convention center and it was just about Beach things what you found on the beach and all about the beach materials I remember I had my students setting up a little program there on razor Clans and they had microscopes to look at the CL lby and all the different parts of the plan they had the life cycle put up well we spent the whole night arguing mostly with commercial CL ders about our life cycle of these razor plants because we had them releasing eggs and sperm cells into the water right on the shoreline and then we had these razor clams going all the way out into the ocean 15 20 mi off shore and they were like no way I found little baby razor clams on the beach and they don&#8217;t do that but of course they do but it&#8217;s hard to imagine razor plants could successfully reproduce by sending little swimming protozoa type Critters all the way out into the ocean spending 6 to8 weeks out there and then eventually starting to grow just the tiniest little piece of calcium carbonate on that little lar microscopic laring which then makes the lar drop down to the bottom of the ocean and then the currents on the bottom of the ocean slowly start moving all of these spat of baby plams back onto the beach by the millions and of course they dig in and some of you may have seen this event I mean it&#8217;s an incredible thing when they come in and you&#8217;re walking and you&#8217;re the pressure of your feet makes these tiny little r clams come to the surface uh and we aren&#8217;t the only one that has noticed that if you happen to be there on those few evenings in the spring when that happens then you&#8217;ll see these goals down there doing this dance going like this and then take a three steps dance p and what they&#8217;re doing is the same thing that we end up doing and that&#8217;s they&#8217;re making making these little baby razor clamps come to the surface and then they eat it so they&#8217;re tied into it so I I I kind of where I&#8217;m going on this is to is to make one point for the presentation and that&#8217;s that when you&#8217;re digging razor clams which is the way these razor clams were dug with a cedar stick stuck into a uh El time and that&#8217;s your digging instrument and you and their in your 30 or 40 fellow tribes people have got the entire class of beach to yourself it&#8217;s hard to change have an impact on the ecology because one the efficiency level is not real high yeah if you can imagine stick about 3 ft long in the end of this poking it in the sand proing it around and trying to catch razor clam uh the productivity was low and even if you could have caught a million what would you do with them you know because you got the ones you needed for that point in time so this kind of leads to the S of The Next Step even without knowing how it worked um as we saw the sort of cultural shifts from one in which culture was embedded in the science the life science landscape then we saw the transition to harvest strategies that no longer were embedded in just day-to-day survival but were then being uh exploited uh and relocated uh as a product material as much as you can get and you kind of see that sweep all the way through the culture uh which that big conversion in which the Technologies started to drive not better lifestyle not better subsistence but uh alternative products from the product that you were collecting whether it was razor plants or fish or trees whatever that might be so you just see that huge uh cultural uh transition so my the razor Clan is kind of my example of of how it changes the way of look at the landscape here in plon county and the say all the Oregan coast and that as you see the phenomena that plays out and in a way it seems It&#8217;s not surprising that commercial PL diers were saying those kids I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about was because it just kind of hard to imagine and it turns out that just about everything that we look at closely ends up being wow how how does that work how does that all happen uh to to even have any of these systems work and even though the reverence was there for the salmon uh you can imagine how difficult it would have been for cultures uh these really very sophisticated cultures from 3 to 5,000 years ago to imagine that a salmon was going to swim three or 4,000 miles of the Bearing Sea be gone for 3 years and then come back and find that piece of water that it was reared in and not find it by luck but find it by science that is that that piece of water has t been tagged coated by the unique combination of the material in that particular Watershed 36 71 Cedars 4,221 henlock 851 sword Ferns and then stir well and you get this product that is so unique that it&#8217;s can only be in one place there is no other landscape would have that particular set of materials and all of that of course all the pine needles falling under the water being processed by an in a whole series of of invertebrate organisms which then pass that through the body which then add in well you can kind of see the picture you have a chemical potion so unique that it&#8217;s Unique on the planet so if you have a o factory system like salmon do that can sort out individual molecules at the rate of about one out of a million they can find that molecule then it&#8217;s not surprising uh that a salmon wood swim out of the neana river swim out into the ocean go to the Bearing Sea swing by the Asian coast and come back up the California coast and swim into the mouth of the the canum and start making choices and so this is the first one it has to make big one left or right okay I mean you either go neana or you go in the can so that&#8217;s the first move so the messages start getting read first of all you had to just find this place okay to begin with and then you had to start reading these messages about which water as that set of material that was here when I was here last four years ago and sniff sniff sniff sniff you know trying to sort that out and making that hard left and then you know was it mil Creek it is my did my parents live in mil Creek H not quite right there it&#8217;s four molecules off so it goes on by and uh and what about shangar Creek and what about China crate and oh coo crate that&#8217;s Bells are going off match up match up um and so it takes a hard left up the hill by the elementary school and it&#8217;s headed back now to that unique place where those S would would uh you know have their origin and got that that unique code I say unique on on the planet so sometime we call this St and people say that is so amazing I me how in the world can these s to do that you know and not trying to detract from the absolute Marvel of what at all I sort remind people you know what&#8217;s really amazing at least to me that&#8217;s that&#8217;s all it can do it could have not done anything else okay so in a way it sort of changes a conversation and that there&#8217;s a certain amount of sort of Destiny to this process that is it isn&#8217;t really left little left and maybe it&#8217;ll work out be nice and you know it&#8217;s quite precise and so if you look at some of the things that creatures do and it&#8217;s and it&#8217;s kind of surprising that you know you think about January and Clark is mentioning waiting in 3 ft of water across and I got a right across the first time and then waited across this Grand River um and in those 4 days at least the part was here um you know going through all this salmon territory kind of no mention of salmon no mention of Tides which would have been in January would have been like the big deal of all like as you know you know go to the cove and the waves are going over throwing rocks into the parking lot you know very high water so it&#8217;s no small item that and 3 ft of water across the mou of the river so kind of I know it was bad weather but wasn&#8217;t bad weather that day you wouldn&#8217;t be waiting across the mountain mechanical I can tell you there wouldn&#8217;t be a low tide to go across there and yet they waited across that but kind of no mention of the salmon but when we look at the Salmon today in the minana system native salmon in January December and January you know we we sort of consider that we&#8217;re looking at the same fish that were running through those Waters 200 years ago the same fish that were running through those Waters 10,000 years ago these are all the progeny of those uh individual ation and the irony of it is that there&#8217;s a there&#8217;s a population of about 500 coo that sort out that neana system every year and spawn in all those little screams there&#8217;s eight streams in the city of seaside&#8217;s boundary and seven of them have spawning coal and some cases as many as 100 fish sort of still there today and yet you go to the ne mon system and you look at it it looks kind of well might be a little smelly looks kind of Muddy looks kind of dirty and uh so in some cases when on our sort of sarcastic days we say well it looks so bad that no one tried to fix it so it&#8217;s still working so that&#8217;s kind of the conclusion we got out of that one well the other thing that I&#8217;ll mention I&#8217;ve covered I&#8217;ve covered the razor clams I didn&#8217;t mention the ghost shrimp just because that had to be a freebie but the material is so limp you know the kiten on a ghost shrimp is just you know it&#8217;s going to go away pretty fast and when we went back well in the 70s you know Smithsonian did an excavation at palro site and they used qu in sivs to SI all the material and they got thousands of artifacts hundreds of thousands of funnel material bones and things and but when we went back and found their SI piles and they took the SI piles the stuff went through the screens and they at that under stereoscope that was where a lot of the world was I mean it turns out that almost all of the verra of the small fish went through that quartering screen and all the little pieces of ghost shrimp went through it and so there&#8217;s kind of a a pretty big missing part of the story about this because and I guess maybe if they didn&#8217;t have a low tide you wouldn&#8217;t have noticed all those gin poles but you know if I was going someplace for the first time and looking across the mud flats of the neana and that&#8217;s all I saw I think it would come up I me say wow what are all those holes in there you know and then if you had noticed some creatures doing this you like what are they doing and if you stuck around long enough and then you saw what they were doing you know that long long Bill Cruise off here every year and they gr shrimp okay so just about every creature and if you tell the story of the ghost shrimp people shake their head like the salmon story like the clam story like wait a minute now you&#8217;re telling me that those ghost shrimp they build this U u-shaped tube and then those Flappers that they have on the bottom of their body they use those to pump water through and invite other guests in into that tube and then pump 400 gallons of water through there and then the bottom of the tube is where all the debris settles and then they pick through it with those very delicate little mandibles that can almost handle things at the size of a Micon little decaying particles of of Marsh Grass and well it kind of keeps going on and then there&#8217;s things that live on their claws that then feed off of some of the material that they well it just you know it&#8217;s sort of like everything we talk about here just keeps going a little bit off the chart because it&#8217;s like wow and then take all the complexity of every one of those creatures and adapting to sand and reading molecular structure and and then stir that all cuz that&#8217;s all going on together and a whole bunch of those things have to interact to survive so then you take all that complex and then multiply you know by factors three or four or 10 or 10,000 so when I look at when I look at materials from Native American mens in this area and sort of think about a culture that was embedded in that process themselves with their complexity and their delicate inter action at precise times and many of the as Doug was talking about in the last session many of those were I&#8217;ll call them esoteric not that they weren&#8217;t incredibly be but they were imposed views on the system they didn&#8217;t arise out of the system but at the same time they were imposed over time and therefore their accuracy was comparable to having analyzed the same that situ situation for analytical values so you have to think about it sort of in in that context well the other one would be the life cycles of the of the Nearshore Birds uh sheer Waters and wh scers uh in the in the palmrose site uh 25 Marine birds were found uh in the following makes at 25 species and of that about 10 of them you could find them as drift once in a while but if you&#8217;re going to get get them in new numbers you have to get in a boat and go offshore a fair amount to start catching up to Albatross and and City Shear Waters and things like that so that&#8217;s another part of this sort of grand story is the kind of science that would be embedded in your culture deep enough that you could repeated over time to go offshore and collect up green birds where they I mean the rating there are big numbers Millions even now sh City sh Waters you see you can see 300,000 you stand at the C looking offshore and binoculars so there&#8217;s lots of them but getting to them and getting to them at the right time and then of course understanding how to process and make them a part of their culture so like I say 25 species have identified uh right now in just one uh mid sight the other creature that was found at Great rates uh was the sea which is another challenging creature very mobile they&#8217;re large they&#8217;re strong you know you going have to know a lot about their ecology to catch one um where are they how do they feed when can you get there kind of all the all the sort of insight into uh otter culture in some of the inventories um the bone material from a given meter of B remains it was as high as 44 to 46 bone structures from CR and I mean there that kind of density so there was also some U sort of collective effects that occurred from getting individual organisms that come out at incredibly High rates keep in mind the SE are you know long gone here but more than likely they were managing large kelp BS off tomad and were a part of that help sea urch and seaotter S which is kind of say another one of those sort of complex features um we&#8217;re out of time got a couple of little giveaways this is just a reminder a little bit about today&#8217;s discussion and that&#8217;s that uh my goal here is kind of help you change the way you look at a tree and when you see the limbs on a tree it&#8217;s easy to think the limbs are on the outside of the tree but when you sort of see this picture this is a stump in which everything inside the stump rotted away except the limbs okay and even though it looks like a torture chamber it&#8217;s really the inside of a tree and what the limb looks like from the trees perspective okay so grab one of these if you&#8217;re interested it&#8217;s got a nice little reminder uh for you which is kind of my party comment uh and it&#8217;s a challenge for all of us as we sort of head into this next uh decade about thinking about our place and how to live sustainably in it so thus the task is not so much to see what no one yet has seen but to think what nobody yet has thought about that which everyone has seen thank you does anybody have any questions for now I um it&#8217;s just that I wondered what the word is it mid m i d d n I&#8217;m not and how would you define that a lay of Earth I&#8217;m not sure I would okay it&#8217;s it&#8217;s kind of the cultural living site may have been a short ter campsite or may have been a long-term living site in which uh lacking Garbage Service uh it just kind of went out the back door of the long house and all the organic material and it piled up and it decayed and sank down and some turned soil and and so it become the the history of that culturals for the most part food Gathering and and see side there&#8217;s maybe the greatest Legacy of any City on the entire Pacific coast of mittens where there was cultural uh inhabitants for thousands of years uh starting about 4,000 years ago and those are maybe 10 ft deep and then every inch of this some piece of History going back thousands of years and so there were lots of sand in this year lots of sand bur not too many the next year so you you can sort of restructure the history of the culture by going through that V AR pardon would that be an archeological term it is yeah it&#8217;s uh yeah it&#8217;s a common term for the West Coast anyway where yeah okay yeah that&#8217;s that&#8217;s it it&#8217;s the and many of them do have just shells because the the uh natives moved from one location to the other depending on availability of a harvest at that particular time so you find these clam mittens only clam shells nothing else uh sort of from here North what did they what did they do with the grimp you said there was go shrimp there oh what did they do with what did they do why were they in the mid um that they might have eaten them I there&#8217;s not much there for for eating part of it so they may well have used app claws for something or some portion of it but they they&#8217;re just there so how they were used I I don&#8217;t know we haven&#8217;t seen anything made out of them like unlike let&#8217;s say the uh the little sand snail that you find down on the beach um all about uh you know they collected those probably didn&#8217;t eat them but if you take a fingernail file and just rub on the very end of it it takes just a few swipes and you knock the end off and then it&#8217;s Hollow all the way through so that become a really nice bead really plus one the first be that you have time for one more question okay i&#8217; like to get back to je Jefferson you said that Jefferson had his son&#8217;s report temperature so I&#8217;d like to ask a couple of temperature questions to the presentation one is did leis and Clark record any temperatures they want I don&#8217;t think they did they had what what sort of therometer would they have used and the third sort of related question is the salmon going up stream do they respond to gradients in temperature in the migration or is it a chemical gradient in the what far as we know it&#8217;s gradient but can temperature can be a barrier that is it you know if you those who were in the west 2 years ago when fish started going up Basin and the largest fish die off in history occurred in the pouth river 78,000 sh salmon died from a temperature barrier because so much water is be in that system so temperature for salmon can be Buri I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t know about thermometers U but and I haven&#8217;t looked at the journals to see if there is any Precision about temperature I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t remember seeing anything but there might be something there right we&#8217;re going to have to we&#8217;re going to have to wrap up our program for the day I&#8217;ll be here for a few minutes so thank NE M for coming in and talking with us this afternoon this does complete our schedule of programs here in the tent to many voices today and</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well good afternoon everyone and welcome to the tenam many voices I encourage you to come in and have a seat and join us we&#8217;re just about to get started with our 1:00 program the tenam Min voices is part of the cor Discovery 2 traveling loose and Clark exhibit it&#8217;s a m agency exhibit with a National Park Service being the lead agency if you spend some time here today if you go out to the keelboat for instance you talk to members of the Army Corps of Engineers if you go out to the Dugout canoe you talk to someone from the Bureau of Reclamation so it&#8217;s a multi- agency exhibit and it&#8217;s a multi- partnership exhibit here in the tenam many voices we have a wide variety of presenters that share with us a wide variety of perspectives both on the lwis and Clark expedition itself but also we like to hear from the PE from the descendants of the people that were living there long before Lewis and Clark arrived we&#8217;d like to hear from these indigenous or American Indian nations to share their story their perspectives and that&#8217;s what we have today with our 1:00 program we have we have Howard bogus who is an enrolled member of The Crow Nation he&#8217;s going to share some of his people&#8217;s history and culture Howard is a oral historian has been learning his history and culture of his people since he was six years old so we&#8217;re very privileged to have him here let&#8217;s give him a warm welcome to the tanam voices so you got me on oh okay all right thank you uh want to thank the National Park Service for allowing me to come here to speak with you and uh talk to you about the history of the people who were here when lisis and Clark came uh one of the things that people don&#8217;t see in the in the Diaries and and of the Louis and Clark and and stuff like that that there was people here there was culture there was societies there was religion all of that was here and it was all basically the same as the stuff that Lewis and Clark brought here and uh Jesuit priests and uh other religions that brought religion to the crow people afterwards but uh anyway uh I&#8217;m an enr enrolled member of the Crow tribe of Indians and uh at the age of 6 years old I was designated by a cow cro Indian Elder my named George Washington Hogan and uh when you go down on the Crow Nation you will find many Washingtons you will find many Lincoln and uh things such as this because at that time the Indian people named almost all of their children after a president or somebody that was very very important so you find them types of names down there but Mr Hogan when he adopted me uh that does not mean that I left my my family and went to live with the Hogan Family whoops my outfit fell off here my uh speaker fell off in the back of my belt but uh anyway uh when uh Mr Hogan when he adopted me um I became a a member of the Hogan family so I had okay so I had two families uh to bring me up and when Mr Hogan uh adopted me he he he he asked my parents if I could be brought up as an oral historian so I&#8217;ve studied oral histories all my life plus the written histories I&#8217;ve put together a library of over 8 around 800 books on the cow Indian people and the other Indian tribes of Montana and in thousands of loose leaf pages I I don&#8217;t know I I got so much I don&#8217;t even know what I have anymore but uh anyway when when when he uh asked me to do this then he and in Crow tradition then he designated two people that would be my tutors when I was very young and one of them was one of the people was Robert suar yellow tale who was actually the first American Indian that became a superintendent of a of a tri of a tribe of Indians in the United States and he was one and Mr yellow tale became came back and he became the superintendent of the Crow tribe of Indians uh and the other person who he designated was Robert Summers how who was who was my my mother&#8217;s older brother so I had a clan uncle and and and and an uncle who were my my teachers and these old these gentlemen would take me out and through the hills and stuff you know and you know I can remember now you know when you in the 40s and 50s men we had we were still driving Model A and old junker cars and stuff such as that you know battle tra around the hills and these guys would take me along and say you know this is what happened here on this hill side this is come and look at this these rocks and this the the rocks that this marks a prayer site or a battle site or or it&#8217;s a trail marker or something such as this you know and so I&#8217;ve actually spent most all of my life hiking the hills and looking toward uh my friend Mike penfold here goes with me all the time anymore because I have I lost all my peripheral vision so I only have central vision also they don&#8217;t allow me to drive but old Mike here he takes me all the time and and uh but anyway we go out and we we we uh find the paintings and stuff out here we we visit paintings here that have been carbon dated at 1,000 years old so the you know there was a culture there was you know and that was here a long time uh we we we walked the trails we have a highway system today the Indian people had a highway system one of the main highways is just right out here just west of Great Falls it goes from Alberta Canada to New Mexico and all you do is you follow little piles of rocks all the way um one of the things that&#8217;s always uh very interesting to me is that the I I believe that the Indian people got along a lot better before the white men came along before they was being pushed into smaller groups uh because at at in in our beliefs no one owns the land the land is there for everybody and the land is there to to take care of everybody uh in our and we and in our structure of Life uh our structure of life is a family is is a family structure because I pray to my my father the sky I pray to my mother the earth I pray to my grandfather the sun I play I prayed to my grandmother the moon these are the things that brought us into this into this life in this earth they&#8217;re the ones that brought us up they tutored us they taught us they fed us they took care of us so our our really our our way of life and our religion was our family and our Earth our Sky our sun our moon you know it&#8217;s it&#8217;s like uh my father this guy he looks over my mother the the Earth he showers with the rain my mother the Earth brings up the green grasses the trees whatever it takes to feed us or to feed the animals that we&#8217;re that we are going to consume without it our grandfather the son without our grandfather the son this could not happen because we need the sunlight to take care of it but you know we need time to rest so our grandmother the Moon she watches over us while we rest at night so that we can get ready for our new life that begins in the morning because in our cro in in our croad tradition our lives are one day at a time a life is one day at a time and it is for all of us yes we always plan for the future but our life is still only one day at a time and so that&#8217;s this is how our belief our culture was and this was a belief in a culture that was going on at the time when Lewis and Clark came up through the Missouri River I drew this map right here this map right here this is Mandan right here and uh I drew this map off in Crow Indian oral stories I drew it off of the information that was given by sits in the middle of the land when he signed the 1826 treaty at Mandan with the United States government that was the first treaty that the C Indian people ever signed with United States government so when uh they signed this treaty uh the general he says well sit in the middle of land he says what where where do you live how can I find you if I need to contact you because the 1826 treaty it didn&#8217;t say I&#8217;m going to give you something I&#8217;m going to take anything it was a treaty of friendship because the crow were recognized as a nation by the United States government not as a tribe of Indians not as a reservation we were recognized as a nation one of the very few tribes of there was only a eight to 10 tribes in the entire United States that were recognized by United States government as a nation but anyway when uh when we signed this treaty here and he said where do you live well he says my Crow people live under my Lodge we as Crow when we set up our lodge we use four main polls all of the rest of the tribes use three main poles to set up their lodges but Crow used four so we set up one he says my one pole sets at thei River Big River the Missouri River or the Yellowstone the AA runs into it this is up here on this my second pole it&#8217;s down here and it&#8217;s what where the it&#8217;s the Gap Where the Buffalo come through Spearfish South Dakota that&#8217;s where the second pole was set for the coration the third pole was set way down here in the southwest and uh it&#8217;s at a place that is called that you can visit today it&#8217;s the gurgling Waters pooo Papa Waters and it&#8217;s where the waters are boiling from the ground it&#8217;s a beautiful place to go to our fourth pole set where the rivers mix the headwaters of the Missouri River where the Jefferson all three of the rivers come together here at the Three Forks and this is our cron Nation sets under our law L because our lodge is round if you noticed the the the reserv the the nation was in a shape of a heart and I couldn&#8217;t figure it out I I study father desmid quite a little bit and uh father dmid went back to uh St Louis when he got to St Louis they asked him that where have you been where&#8217; you come from he says I just came from the heart of the cron Nation we have to remember that father dmid drew a good share of the maps of the American West he was a priest a Jesuit priest but yet he you know he had to have a a way to finance himself because uh the Catholic church was not financing the Catholic church was not financing uh father dmet father dmit was a renegade study him oh he&#8217;s fun he is fun but uh anyway when when when he got back to St Louis he said he was he had just came from the heart of the crow country when I use the oral stories this country over here this is Plat River Country this water all runs into the Big Horn River this run water all runs into the Yellowstone River this water runs into the from the Missouri into the Missouri here into the Yellowstone and then Yellowstone Park up here yeah Crow Indians at one time Yellowstone Park almost 80% of Yellowstone Park was in The Crow Nation we should have kept that and give them the rest of the reservation but uh no it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s very interesting of the history and the people who went here but one of the things I like I always like to talk about uh the culture uh we had artists and our artists when they made a painting a thousand years ago you can read it today and it tells you a story um that&#8217;s one of the things I forgot to bring along with me I was going to bring along some photographs of of of some of the paintings and uh there one of the things what I find in the paintings when I see them all the time is that they generally have they generally have the number 13 marked into it there&#8217;s generally 13 little marks you if there&#8217;s a whole circle of marks you divide them they&#8217;ll divide out into because the 13 moons we have 13 full moons in a year the Indian people use that as our calendar the 13 full moons we even had a calendar believe it or not the 13 moons on the Turtles back the next time you see a turtle count the little squares on his back there is 13 that is our calendar that was our calendar yes so you know they was we was doing the same thing as a white man different way uh the other thing that was very interesting it was you know like I say you know the the religion part of it is how how when we prayed when actually when it going to come all when when it all comes down we all prayed to the same person up here when we die I I was buried on the top of the ground because of the fact that if I was buried down under the ground my spirit can&#8217;t rise and go up and I need to do that and and uh you know it was until 1894 that the United States government passed the law and said I had to have 5 ft of dirt on my face yeah one of the things that uh the non-indian people I don&#8217;t say I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t use the term of white man very much I don&#8217;t I I I think it&#8217;s a derogatory term but I I generally say the non-indian and one of the ter the things that the non-indian people did uh get from the Indian people you go to any the cemeteries you&#8217;re always buried so you face the east Indian people were always tried buried so that they could fa they they would face the Rising Sun when I set up my Lodge I would set up my Lodge my openings when I set in the back of my Lodge I would sit there in the morning and I could sit in my Lodge and I could had watched the Rising Sun from the back Lodge so East was a very very important part of of of our of our way uh 13 you know like I say everybody thinks 13 is a great a bad number ah not for us it&#8217;s great no fact is I was in Washington DC a couple of years ago and I was visiting Nick rhof West Virginia and uh when when we were visiting Mr Mr Ray Hall he says uh well you know this might be a bad time for you to have propably to do cuz we was trying he&#8217;s actually put together a bill to try to uh put protection on uh cultural sites historic sites Across the Nation Indian and not Indian but he&#8217;s getting a lot of flak over it because I mean it it it protects a lot of land so but anyway when uh when we was talking to Mr Ray Hall he says well this is my 13th term he says this might be a the beginning of my 13th term he says this might be a bad time I says no this is the most wonderful time for us I said because 13 is our is our good number and like I say when you go around the the paintings you will find them always have 13 in some way or another uh in in the paintings uh some of the paintings I mean you you read them uh you get them get them and as you see on my belt buckle here I have lodges beaded into my belt buckle and the lodge is my home my home is very very sacred my home is my church because uh in in American Indian people we don&#8217;t go build a million dooll building so we got someplace to go on Sunday anytime that I go go out here my feet touch the Earth and I can see the sky I&#8217;m in my church I&#8217;m in my church and and I go there quite often to do this but uh what a lot of times you I like to talk a little bit about the prayer okay I do a prayer something happened in my life I don&#8217;t know maybe a death maybe I&#8217;m not getting along with people or somebody who got hurt that&#8217;s very close to me or something like this I go out to do a prayer and when I go out to do my prayer I go Before Sunrise to where I&#8217;m going to do my prayer I do a prayer twice a year on top of pompy&#8217;s pillar and I go up there I have my little place that I can set I can sit there the entire day people don&#8217;t even know that I&#8217;m there but I go Before Sunrise and I don&#8217;t come come back down off until sunsight at night and when I up there I I pray for what was is is going on happening in my life but I don&#8217;t sit there and pray the entire day I&#8217;m sitting there and I&#8217;m thinking what is the bad things has happening in my life what is what is the way that I can can can fix this uh this more it&#8217;s in our belief is we we need to know who we are within we need to know who we are as long as we know who we are we will do well but the day that we don&#8217;t that we find that we&#8217;ve lost ourselves and we became you know uh maybe we start drinking maybe we start using drugs maybe we do you know we we start doing things but you got to remember who you are and take care of take care of that that person as long as you always know exactly who you are you will do well but when uh I like to talk a little bit about Lewis and Clark now Lewis and Clark entered Crow country right here right here they traveled up Crow country right through here Crow people people were on the Sun River which is west of Great Falls the two Medicine River Crow people were living up there at that time there was Crow people living on the Milk River which is way up here but Lewis and Clark they entered cro country right here traveled up here and out the other side of cro country down at three fors then they returned Lewis made this entire trip back Clark P just drip down to Yellowstone uh there was one of the groups went down to through the Missouri River here again and uh prior made the journey with the horses across over here on these yellow lines so they traveled about 1,700 miles and never spoke to a crow and a lot of people wonder so why did they travel all these miles right through the middle of the crow people they seen signs of the Indians all the way they never met a crow for one reason one reason only mosquitoes these crows they was smart enough that you get back away from the rivers into the hills the high mountains you get away from the mosquitoes and mosquito time they left they left the River Country this was the time when Lewis and Clark was doing all of their things in Crow country and they stayed on the rivers they stayed down in the mosquitoes they got ate up the croww gone what was very interesting at this point right in here where they made the canoes or they made the canoes they camped there 3 days Lou and Clark did or Clark did in his group within 12 miles of where Clark was camped there was a crow Sundance going on at the very same time there was thousands of Indians there it was on the Clarks Fork River as we know it today but then to the to the crow people the Cheyenne the sue the blackbeat this is the river where we all come to dance this meant all of the tribes of Indians come there to the Clarks Forks River they would do Sund dances and they would hunt they would they would take care of their hides their meat and think and get a year supply of meat and then then they would start venturing back home nees Pur I mean there was many many tribes shonne all of the tribes would come there because the Clarks Fork River we didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t fight on that River when we all came to that River we know that that was a place that you could set down beside your enemy break bread eat hunt together maybe we even got together and we went off and raided somebody&#8217;s horse P horses see we never stole a horse I want you to know that we never ever stole a horse we captured a horse because to capture a horse was a very honorable thing for a crow yes to capture a horse is a very honorable thing when I be when I when I wanted to become a chief I had to do four things to capture a horse from within an enemy&#8217;s Camp was one of the things I had to do within the camp that didn&#8217;t mean that he was running on the hillside out here I stuck into the camp and I cut the the rawad that was holding that horse my friend Mike he&#8217;s a sue over here Mike&#8217;s laying in his lodge he&#8217;s sound asleep but he has that cord tied around his belly cuz he don&#8217;t want to lose his favorite warhorse I sneak into his camp and I steal his horse see but really in Crow I captured that horse because I did a very honorable Brave thing I took his horse while he was hanging on to the end of the light the cord yes and so when when when we got the when Clark came down the river we uh we didn&#8217;t get the first nine that was taken further west of the of the Three Forks it was nine that was taken over there and uh the black feet claim them them nine horses that that was taken I want you to I want you to know these guys had Shon and nesp horses Shon got most of their horses a good share of their horses from the NES Pur because the the NES Pur immediately started breeding horses to get a certain type of a horse they wanted a particular horse the apaloo so they started breeding to get the appolo that&#8217;s what the Appo came from and uh but they were strong horses small horses very very good horses us Crow knew a good horse when we seen one you know and here comes Clark down the Yellowstone River you know he&#8217;s just rambling along and he&#8217;s making maps and he&#8217;s doing all of these good things you know that he&#8217;s supposed to be doing but us Crow are sitting up on the hillside counting horses and you know and one of the things that in all my years of studying the military might protect their encampment but they would put their horses over here on the hillside three miles away to graze you know so they would just very easy to get to so we would just come down and we would relieve him of these horses and uh where uh according to the Diaries uh Clark left his horses approximately one mile from the camp where he was making the canoes uh we found a site that pretty much fits the entire diary as to where the horses was being kept because it uh says that from that position there it was one mile approximately one mile to the river crossing for the where the Indians who took the horses crossed the Yellowstone River and going south in in down into Crow country and uh so we we pretty much believe that we found the spot pretty much where the horses was being held but uh no they was they was nice horses and you know we was good the first time you know we only took half of them you know and do Gunn it he went on down the river you know and they got down near where Billings is today and that&#8217;s where they crossed the river with the last 25 head of horses that they was left we&#8217;d already get took 24 in a CT and when they crossed the river prior traveled about six 7 hours and he was at a place called fly CRI today uh fly Crick is is is a is is starts from a basin this Basin is large like this 200,000 acres in it but it only has one little dry stream that goes out of it to drain it one of these big old Montana Cloud bursts come along and here was Prior he was camped on this little Dry Creek and all of a sudden I mean he has a Roaring River between him and his horses and so he spends a a few hours trying to get his horse her back together but when he went to bed he was tired and he was sleepy so he really went to sleep and he got up in the morning and when he got up in the morning he just didn&#8217;t have any more horses uh one of the crow guys wanted to let him know who got the horses so he left a moccasin and uh so we had we we had a pretty good h of her of of horses but now I&#8217;m going to tell you a story about these horses uh the crow horses the horses that the crow T took from the Clark they were taken so easily there was no danger of any kind in us taking the horses so in our Crow tradition we could not keep I could not I I&#8217;m I&#8217;m the person that took the horses I could not keep the horses I had to give them away as gifts so you know really you know Clark he made a lot of pro Indian people very very very happy because I we gave away 50 horses 49 horses in a CO as gifts because in Crow tradition we were not allowed to keep the horses because there was no risk to our life we could only keep a horse for ourself that we risk our life to get but anyway when uh after after that you know then the crow they just took took off and and took the horses and they went kind of into the Southwest Mike and I been working on a trail that goes into Big Horn Canyon National Park called the bad Pass Trail these horses was headed right for the bad Pass Trail bad Pass Trail is a is an area that when you walk you step over this rock and you stumble over the next and you have next step you have a a rock roll under your foot I mean it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a bad Trail but it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a trail that&#8217;s probably 10,000 years old and uh very very well marked but and it&#8217;s marked with piles of rock some of the the the the rock piles in badp Pass Trail they are 10 15 ft apart from here to the other end of the camp they may be five or six piles of rock they will be this High probably a ton or two Rock in in this pile but you know what every one of them rocks are every one of them rocks is a prayer as I&#8217;m going down the trail I pick up this Stone I carry this rock it becomes part of me my my sweat gets on this rock I carry this rock for a while and I talk to this rock and then when I get to where the places where the prayer where the prayer piles of rocks are I get up to this pile of rocks and I spit on the Rock I put part of me on my saliva I put the rock in the pile when I put the rock in the pile I say thank you grandfather for the good journey behind me give me a good journey forward and I go on the next Indian person that comes along behind me does exactly the same thing I can take you to piles of Rock down in the crow country that is growing yet today because in our belief we cannot go go past these piles of rock and we we have to stop and do prayer say a prayer Sandy and I one time we was going up into the prior mountains and she was driving along and and uh I said stop we need to stop and do the prayer well let&#8217;s we&#8217;ll do it on the way way back and I you know I said no you got to do it now Sandy and I went up onto the prior mountains we spent the entire tail on the prior mountains had a wonderful day we was coming back down off of the prior mountains that night we got within 300 ft of that that that that rock pile she blew a right front tire just blew the whole side of it out I didn&#8217;t stop and say my prayer on the way up and ask for the good journey yes no we we believe in this very very strongly we do it yet today but uh you know that&#8217;s that&#8217;s why I like to talk you say tell you a little bit about Le and Clark when they came here I mean we had people who were painting the history on the Rocks the paintings that are on the Rocks today that are a thousand years old uh right now I we&#8217;ve got near 400 located on the Yellowstone River and his tributaries uh when you sat there and you you look at these and I don&#8217;t come come up here and say okay I&#8217;m going to paint on the rock 5 minutes I&#8217;m going down the I&#8217;m going down the trail no Takes Me Maybe years to choose my spot because I want absolute perfect light at a certain time of the year things such as this I go up here I abrate the wall Till It&#8217;s Perfectly smooth I take a a black Riverstone almost every abrasive stone that we have found so far is a Black River Stone so they packed this rock a long ways to do their do their paintings but they abrak this wall perfectly smooth and these walls in this one particular spot that has been carbonated 950 to 1,000 years old this Rock today is absolutely perfectly smooth Sandstone they have break this perfectly smooth they would have put a lot of House Painters out of business business if the house painters could figure out how they made the paint because they paint their paintings on the walls the paintings we we think are just something but no that painting is part of me it tells a part of a story it tells it it tells something about my people and uh some of the paintings we one of the paintings that we find it has a circle it has inside of the circle coming to the middle the shape of lodges all the way around in series of 13 there is 13 lodges make to make the circle on the bottom of each Lodge on the outside of the on the outside of the circle there is 13 fringes but the lodge is our home is our church that the lodge means people that&#8217;s where the people live so that that that that particular painting is very sacred to us because it tells us of of of the people okay there&#8217;s another one there and that&#8217;s right beside excuse me but uh there&#8217;s another painting that&#8217;s right there beside of it and uh the painting that&#8217;s right beside there it&#8217;s got what we call a two-headed water monster on it anytime that we find something that has two heads in the paintings it means one thing I actually it means two things actually good and bad good and evil one one head is for good one head is bad and I&#8217;ll tell you a little story uh that the time took time about in the late 1800s uh Chief plenty C had been on a raiding party we went down come down in Nebraska and he got some good Sue horses I mean you know our neighbors always had good horses and Crow always needed more cuz to to to to Crow horses were wealth the more horses I had the wealthier I was because I could always trade horses for anything that I wanted but anyway when plny cluz was returning he uh got back to the Big Horn River the Big Horn River was being flooded man he got to the river and oh man we can&#8217;t get across and we&#8217;re only a day and a half Journey from home good long day we could probably make it it didn&#8217;t know what quite to do to do big shoulder blade big shoulder blade was a very tall man uh at that particular time most inro Crow people were 6 feet and more taller very very very big people not fat just tall thin people but anyway big shoulder blade he was a very big man he was riding a very very large horse and he said well I&#8217;ll go into the river and he says I I&#8217;ll I I&#8217;ll find find the way to get across so he went and chose his place for where where he entered the river when immediately when he got into the river big shoulder blade and his horse was caught by the water and it started washing him down so immediately big shoulder blade he starts singing a chant this chant song it is to the good and the the evil of the water monster he&#8217;s chanting and he&#8217;s praying that the good the good water monster will get a hold of him and the good water monster will take him to the land the bad water monster will take him into the water this is the belief this painting is on the wall thousand years old that story is a thousand years old uh the other pain painting is there is just of a lodge but the painting that&#8217;s in the center the ball in the middle of it is green do you know that in the state of Montana there is only five paintings that have green in them one is over here at Hela along the lake the weather the other four are on the Clarks Fork River the other four are all within probably less than 30 feet distance of part now it&#8217;s it&#8217;s uh uh and so green is was something that was kind of hard but we we feel that that green was for Earth the mother the grasses cuz the land the Earth turns green so that that that&#8217;s part of this part of that particular prayer that big shoulder blade was was talk was singing when uh when uh the crow people would travel like I say they would Mark the trails with the markers and they had this highway system you can go out right around I I can go around here just about any place in the country out here and I can can choose a valley a river and I will find a a trail that is marked along that river valley maybe a ridge uh one of the things about the American Indian people was they were never afraid of anything that I can see I was never afraid of anything that I could see but I was afraid of what I couldn&#8217;t see that was what was bothered me more than anything so when I traveled most of the time I traveled on a High Ridge I Could See For Miles nobody could sneak up on me no that&#8217;s the way and that&#8217;s where I we find most all of the trails and we&#8217;ve followed these Trails crossed Wyoming Montana I have a friend who followed the same particular tra in Colorado and New Mexico no it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a I can get I can I can go out here probably within one day in this area right here and find the trail right here that takes you to Manan you know why the black feet the crow that&#8217;s just shown where Nomads we don&#8217;t stop to plant to grow the Mandan down here in the river they grew the stuff that we want the English the French everybody brought their stuff here the Mandan when they brought it to Mandan all of the tribes come here there is many many trails that come to and down am I getting out of time okay I I I always talk to the last second so you know that&#8217;s that&#8217;s one thing I always tell people you know about crow about Crow history we don&#8217;t we don&#8217;t have short songs we don&#8217;t have short prayers we don&#8217;t have short stories because in our songs they talk about our history in our life our prayers talk about our history in our life our stories talk about our history and our life and as an oral historian I have to tell you in detail as to what&#8217;s going on this is why I&#8217;m talking about something and all of a sudden I&#8217;m over here talking about something else because I have to tell you the details because otherwise you&#8217;re going to get the story messed up you you need you need the details and and and that&#8217;s how an oral historian is taught I&#8217;ve been taught all my life that when I tell a story I have to tell the details but the Lis and Clark Venture was interesting to the American Indian people uh I call it the beginning of the end it was the beginning of my of the of the American Indian way of life see I I I call you a Native American you are Native Americans I am a crow American Indian Columbus gave me the name of an Indian when he came and I&#8217;m proud to be called an Indian I&#8217;m always very proud to be called an Indian because I&#8217;m very very proud of my Heritage and I&#8217;ve studied my Heritage my entire life I just turned 66 years old two days ago and I&#8217;ve got 60 years of history behind me yeah yeah thank you Howard thank you for sharing your history 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