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		<title>View on the Missouri, Blackbird&#8217;s Grave</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Bodmer's watercolor depicts a stretch of the Missouri River dominated by a high, rounded bluff rising on the west bank. The composition is horizontal, with the river occupying the foreground in muted greens and grays,…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bodmer&#8217;s watercolor depicts a stretch of the Missouri River dominated by a high, rounded bluff rising on the west bank. The composition is horizontal, with the river occupying the foreground in muted greens and grays, low wooded banks framing the middle distance, and the bluff—Blackbird Hill—anchoring the right side of the sheet. A small detail at the summit marks the burial site of the Omaha chief Blackbird, who according to tradition was interred mounted on his horse so that he could continue to watch travelers passing on the river below. Bodmer worked in transparent watercolor with delicate graphite underdrawing, recording the topography with the same topographical precision he applied throughout his Missouri River studies.</p>
<p>The watercolor was made in 1833 during the expedition of Prince Maximilian zu Wied-Neuwied, whom Bodmer accompanied as expedition artist from 1832 to 1834. The party ascended the Missouri aboard American Fur Company steamboats, reaching Fort McKenzie in present-day Montana before wintering at Fort Clark. Blackbird Hill, in what is now Thurston County, Nebraska, had already entered the literature of the river: Lewis and Clark visited the grave on August 11, 1804, climbing the bluff to place a flag on the mound, and Maximilian&#8217;s party stopped at the same location nearly three decades later. By 1833 the site functioned as a recognized landmark for traders, naturalists, and travelers moving upriver.</p>
<p>Bodmer, a Swiss-born artist trained in Zurich and Paris, was twenty-three when Maximilian hired him. The Missouri watercolors and the aquatints later engraved from them for the atlas accompanying Maximilian&#8217;s <em>Reise in das innere Nord-America</em> (1839–1841) constitute the most detailed visual record of the upper Missouri before the cholera and smallpox epidemics of the late 1830s transformed the region&#8217;s Native communities. The original field watercolors, including this view, were preserved in the Wied family collection at Schloss Neuwied for more than a century before being acquired by the InterNorth Art Foundation and placed at the Joslyn Art Museum in Omaha, which holds the principal repository of Bodmer&#8217;s American work. The Blackbird&#8217;s Grave sheet has been frequently reproduced in Lewis and Clark scholarship as a visual document of a site the Corps of Discovery itself recorded.</p>
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		<title>Discovery Expedition: Education Initiative and River Navigation</title>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Adams I&#8217;m Adams I&#8217;m sorry I&#8217;m sorry superintendent ADB that&#8217;s what I always say I&#8217;m sorry superintendent Adams if you come up for a moment um superintendent ads first name is Steve for reason I was just having such a good show here today called Steve Allen he had a wonderful show himself the at any rate um the other day when we were coming through U we talked a little bit about Discovery exhibition earlier and different things and one of the things that talk about Partnerships and all and our organization was 51 C3 we sold a lot of t-shirts over the years to make it possible and and we&#8217;re still doing that and all the National Park Service has been a a great help to the Discovery Expedition but a few years ago I left my job in corporate media and started teaching and one day I was sitting at lunch in the lunchroom and got talking to one of the other teachers there and we tried to figure out wouldn&#8217;t it be neat we had talked with Gerard about things over the years would it be neat if we could figure out this way to get the story of the trail and what was happening along the trail off the trail and get the kids across the country and the far reaches of the country and Beyond even and to the general public as well and out of that out of that lunchroom conversation with this fell here Jim stur uh we developed the National Education initiative and that National Education initiative receives funded from national parks Service as well that allows schools across the country and Beyond to access our website and our broadcast that we do weekly from the trail and it allows us to bring the story of Ls Clark and the story of the communities the people the tribes and all that we meet along the way to people across the country and it&#8217;s it is a great partnership because a lot of you know a lot of people will never get the chance to actually travel this Trail or see them as re River and that sort of thing and a lot of times they see images of us sort of thing our and our boats the discovery expedition&#8217;s boat which Ser as a platform for the education initiative bring a lot of interest and and drama to the story as we use the leou and clar story as a mechanism to teach about other multi interdisciplinary studies whether be mathematics science and that sort of thing so it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a big education project if anybody has the interest to be having to talk to you about that later but the other day we were coming up through uh through Omaha and we were very excited because you know people are constantly asking us whether we have Motors on our and yes we do because the core of engine here&#8217;s another partner in this project over the last century or so at the at the Mandate of Congress has changed the river a little bit to make it more navigable for large craft and that sort of thing so un unlike the 3 to 5ft channel we had 200 years ago we&#8217;re dealing with a 30ft channel and most of the guys even on the tiptoes just can&#8217;t handle the Cordell and with that 30o channel but we were very pleased about two weeks ago to be able to sail and that is the one thing that we can do exactly like they did no matter how deep the river is no matter how fast the river is as we do the celling and other things with the River allows but we were coming by omahan for about a little over 4 hours the other day at 2.7 mph under sail power alone with simply the wind under our in our sails with no Motors and nothing but but the sound of the river and the wind we moved our boats from Belle B Nebraska up past city of Omaha and on to NP Dodge Park it was a glorious day for us and one of the things that uh we stopped by that day of course to have a dedication for your new building down there and all that sort of thing and we gave you a couple items down there to remember the day from that sort of thing and as an expression of our thanks but we thought maybe the best way for you to remember that day would be with an image of those boats under sale signed by the members of the crew this is your new building with the three boats fully under sale and signed by the crew of The Discovery Expedition and we just want to give this to you to take back to your office as a reminder of that day so thank you all very much this is presented uh both on behalf of the discovery Expedition and the uh the Luen Clark then and now project which is the National Education initiative so thank you very much this isome thank thank you thanks to everyone in the national park we appreciate all the help and we&#8217;ll have our next program with Mr Paul BR starting</p>
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		<title>Missouri Speaker on Lewis and Clark Expedition Materials and Methods</title>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the Buffalo sent you in there and it&#8217;s really um soft and flexible when they take it out of buffo so they would just take it peel it off in strands and literally make sewing threads they could make um they use it in thicker quantities to lash tools together would they let it dry first or would they they pull it off as when it&#8217;s still wet it still wet or you hopefully soak this and get it soft enough again to okay but we haven&#8217;t tried that I&#8217;ve tried about everything else but I haven&#8217;t tried that one yet so it was used for a variety wind was coming from West so they weren&#8217;t able to use the sail too often but uh that would be another way to propel it now there&#8217;s a rope up there in the front too they would use that rope to pull that would be the have to walk on the shore there wasn&#8217;t much of a Shore there actually I left in the now the Missouri River was not very back then so they were able to do it most places like that but this boat was very very heavy and it was loaded with about 15 so imagine trying to pull something like that up they had about 20 22 guys out there and P on that Ro so to many people walk up the M what they were doing that&#8217;s what they do they were walking up carrying their possessions behind on the boat pretty pretty tough guys back there like that it&#8217;s just like what yeah canas is it&#8217;s like this roof that&#8217;s um it&#8217;s thin and it looks kind of stringy almost it looks like a radish yeah it almost looks like a radish or some people call it know to yeah yeah that the same thing wild carrot is not the same as K but it looks yeah and so they would tradition of her upbringing within the N Pur tribe and some of her experiences growing up so please welcome Mary tble good afternoon sight with a sighting vein once you got that thing lined up exactly the way you want it to go and again you&#8217;re going to have it up on the tripod or up on the shakeup staff and then you&#8217;re going to sight through the siding vein and in the sighting veins there are holes and then there&#8217;s slits below that so once you&#8217;ve got it kind of rough figured out with the holes then you slide your eye down and you line it up with the split and then you get that much better direction as you go along so this team had to move a lot slower yep L and Clark didn&#8217;t measure their way all the way across the continent with this kind of accuracy and what what we like to say is that the the public land surveyors are following in the footsteps of Lewis and Clark as they&#8217;ve gone across the continent now we&#8217;ve got Lewis and or we&#8217;ve got the public land surveyors the general land office surveyors another name for the same thing kind of filling in the rest of the map L Clark just taken that one route across the continent where now we&#8217;re going to say we want to measure out the rest of it and the reason for all of this is to fulfill what Thomas Jefferson had in mind and that is to get as he put it the yman farmer out on the left you have a rough idea how far off Clark were with their rough maps and then fin did miles miles the final map which um gets published in I believe it&#8217;s 1814 with the the first set of journals um that yeah that map has been compared with a modern map so it comes out to be about 40 Mi off now you know part of that is the accuracy of the the width of the line I mean a line on a map of that scale you know could be you know 40 Mi wide all by itself so but they&#8217;re incredibly accurate and it it really comes from two places one is um this is a replica of Captain Captain Clark&#8217;s Compass the one he carried with him we we know it because it&#8217;s one of the few pieces that actually survived the ls and Clark um Voyage as they came back to St Louis in 1806 all their equipment that they had left became Surplus government property it was auctioned off oh God but the compass Clark&#8217;s Compass was his own personal Compass so he kept that compass and it&#8217;s now the original was now expected to get back it&#8217;s phenomenal isn&#8217;t it in fact that one poster we have we have one at pompy&#8217;s Pillar the uh the one at the top there oh yes and it shows a a photo of his uh where he his name nice that&#8217;s where leis and three others come out over Lim High Pass they were an advanced part looking for the way across a disappointing day though row after row of mountains yeah yeah okay on the well that in this corner we get from the Mand Indians one of the 12 varieties that they perpetuate from the old store of genetic seed stocks and it&#8217;s kind they Grind from formul so you can grind it back and forth just like that you got to work in the kitchen more here you I a Volcan CRA kind of a b fish it has to be we covered this didn&#8217;t open quite a while you got one in the shirt origal tail this is a relatively large here check out the in the Joby this is about 300 lb jly bear this is over a th000 so quite a bit of difference does the weight correspond directly to like how tall they stand oh yeah how much mass they did like that what is it Boon and Crocket scale right do they measure the height of them set no it&#8217;s this this print that&#8217;s rting one does kind of the same things that I are you an archaeologist for the PM then h no story okay there is there are jobs for his history majors not very many I have a degree in history so yeah for 6 years I I was a teacher before that so I I used my degree obviously but you know this is him when he was one of that that party of of four men who first entered Idaho uh with me my blanket is kind of buried underneath my stuff over there he would have had a blanket along also but uh so it&#8217;s was like just like a little mini Expedition they took off from the main group kind of thing yes yep set out on foot cuz the bullets were going so slow at that time so he was the guy who carried the provisions that me he was the cook and so he would have had a h sack you know he had 2 lbs of flour about the same of of meal I don&#8217;t think he had necessarily any of this stuff but it&#8217;s just kind of interesting I just wanted to have it on display anyway is it&#8217;s like the hard yeah that time they were calling it biscuit but it&#8217;s the same thing it&#8217;s whole wheight flour butter and water mix it up roll it out and then bake it and that stuff will keep for a long long time it&#8217;s about 14 months old that&#8217;s a loaf of sugar oh and what do you do you you shave it off you can shave it off or they have little you pinch some off like that yeah and it has a lot of molasses in it so it&#8217;s really much better for you than just plain white sugar and that&#8217;s how tea used to come that&#8217;s black tea oh wow it&#8217;s okay oh sure where do you get this now there&#8217;s a company several companies online that sell reenactor supplies all stuff so then what you do is just cut off a piece too sure you can scrape some off or you can cut off a piece and it&#8217;s it&#8217;s proc it&#8217;s chopped very finely so it&#8217;s almost more of a powder than it is a leaf and at that time they were issuing a 69 caliber must that&#8217;s the big one that&#8217;s the big musket ball yes they all handmade so they could be interchangeable no these weren&#8217;t these were made by by by Factory it&#8217;s called the 1795 contract model it actually was just a copy of a musket that was made in France about 30 years that&#8217;s what I mean cuz the French one could take like they could take all the they move the moving Parts on any rifle and change out with another one and like so they did that so like for the core so they all had you know rifle B they could just kind of how it yes and they did have one good gunsmith along them and he had to get Innova a few times to repair guns but he was able to and and so they carried a cartridge box rather than just you know a Powder Horn with with a separate pouch of of balls oh so they have like yeah and you know I don&#8217;t know what these look like but a friend of mine made up some cartridges for me it&#8217;s just each cartridge was paper and it had just enough powder to to Prim the pan to pour the rest down the barrel and then the ball went down the barrel um that was enough for one round okay so you have to get out your Powder Horn and dump it out you just the end of right right but but here&#8217;s the quandry okay now I&#8217;m ready to reload but what do I do so this this gives me to a rule that the Army had at that time regulation if you wanted to be in the Army you had to have at least two teeth and they had to be opposite each other you see where I&#8217;m headed yeah and then you pour some on that and then you pour the dress down there right Tamp it in with the ram rod and then you&#8217;re ready to to shoot around if you were if you were really good you should be able to get off four rounds a minute one every 15 seconds uh and they also had a bayonet though in case uh 15 seconds uh wasn&#8217;t enough time that&#8217;s the biggest chipmunk I&#8217;ve ever seen that&#8217;s a big chipmunk you want lunch yeah they were having a hard time you got sear running now I did I proba I didn&#8217;t I know I didn&#8217;t hit you with anything they would send out Hunters along the shoreline and they could range out in front of the core as they were moving up shootting animals and hang them up and they would actually come along and together and they were only moving 5 to 6 M an hour I mean 5 to 6 miles a day and on the way back they couldn&#8217;t do it because they were averaging up to 70 m a day on the way back they got into the current the way they so they couldn&#8217;t put Hunters out cuz they run off and leaving down stream so to speak mhm so they actually had to stop three or 4 days at a time send Hunters out and bring in the food and and eat a couple of days jerk the meat and then they get back in the canoes and off up but they were they were not doing too well on the way back that&#8217;s whenever Captain uh Lewis got shot is actually one of the hunting trips by the beach of those and we still use these today so they would have put their PL here wouldt soaked put it all in she pressed it together and kept it nice and tight until the plants dried out and when they dried out they had a perfect specimen of the plant that they looked at remember you kids Uncle Ryan got you one of those you have that little plant press with piece of wood terrible uh back side right there on the this is the back away from that&#8217;s the back side because uh wood never I that backbody told anything my uncle always told yeah pretty old bottom around mixure of mercury you know the stuff in thermometers that goes up and down to tell you the temperature and jalop which is a plant root and it&#8217;s held together with breadcrumbs as a binding agor and if you&#8217;re given one of Dr Rush&#8217;s pills you&#8217;d have to hurry to the bathroom because in less than 10 minutes you&#8217;d be cleared out to the extent that just liquid&#8217;s coming out also to make you go to the bathroom they have salt peter and if they&#8217;re out of salt peter they could give you gunpowder because salt Peter&#8217;s one of the ingredients in gunpowder what is that what&#8217;s that sponge thing well it&#8217;s just a sponge for cleaning wounds now do you have sponges at home yeah Is this different yeah how&#8217;s it different because it&#8217;s all at holes has like holes what are the sponges like that you have at home they&#8217;re like they&#8217;re rough they have holes in them they like and they&#8217;re Square you see what you have are artificial sponges that they make out of plastics this is a real sponge it used to live at the bottom of the sea little microbes and bacteria would swim by and get caught up in all the nooks and crannies and it would eat them this used to be a living animal this doesn&#8217;t have any eyes you ever see an animal without eyes you have what um and I hauled this out and it was overcast and I said to the students what can I do with oh you make a fire I one of it&#8217;s overcat it&#8217;s it&#8217;s easier to get a flashlamp oh oh good good good now from North Dakota you get to say Chic now this woman had a child and think things really didn&#8217;t change a whole lot in child they put light cord on it yeah changed a lot in the grass there huh in the grass in the grass that&#8217;s my coffee cup oh coffee my coffee funny looking coffee cup isn&#8217;t it then I can put it on my belt here and I got my coffee cup handy when next time I want made out of a some kind of out of a buffalo horn buffalo horn this what is that blue what&#8217;s that blue stuff what do you think that blue stuff is huh what do you think yeah if I took if I wanted to make a nice long straight Str line see I would take this string and I would lay it on there like that listen listen like that hang on the end of itang on right on the end of it hold it hang on hang on real tight hold down here hold it down there you see real tight my truck is is wet you see the line e</p>
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		<title>Fredy Baker on Mandan history, culture, and Lewis &#038; Clark</title>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and he&#8217;s going to be talking about man and Hada culture and history for us today Mr B wow sitting up here I almost tempted to say please turn to page 243 in your hand books and also would someone please pick up a question my name is Fredy Baker and I&#8217;m my member of the Mandan and hel tribes wondering what the Mand tribes are doing at on the agenda at meeting in omasa well we we were the the destination tribe when Le and Clark first started out Jefferson had heard about us he heard about us through reading about the probably the Alexander McKenzie vure across Alexander McKenzie was the first white guy to cross the P he cross it up in in Canada and uh actually did what did but he took a different kind of route that interested in C in history because I have two little Branch with our our Canadians living on Vancouver Island if anybody on Vancouver Island very beautiful location uh I just first of by saying that you know in this show celebrating the vice sentennial and so are a big event to close part of the heritage of America being open as it was in those days but for the and the you know L and Clark is really not a big deal so at me and say what what do you mean well because by the words you know L and Clark came to visit us about 1804 1805 obviously and as early as 1700 know we&#8217;ve been dealing with the French so we were used to see these white guys come to our village we were Traders uh we had U developed a massive trade system probably as early as 700 you know there&#8217;s evidence from archaeological digs and those kind of things that put us uh at that time at the mouth of the somewhere around the mouth of the bad River and for here South Dakota and we lived in in several villages we lived in Earth lodges which at that time were a archaeologic architectural marble which is you know they were extremely well built they were extremely comfortable and extremely useful uh later on when the westbr settlement started out came up to our Ty of the woods you know many folks built Assad houses much like somewhat somewhat like our our Earth watches but the time they were extremely extremely uh Advanced technological he and we also um we also were agricultural people the band band were agricultural people as early as about 700 the say there&#8217;s evidence that we were hitting at to the bad River and that we were also fing we raised what I wonder what that&#8217;s a sign of get off the stage and shut anyway we raised corn uh we raised squash we raised tobacco we raised beans and we used these for ourselves but also we they became a very important trade item because we were sedentary we liveed in in villages and people knew where we were and raised food people came to us they would bring us different tribes came to us with whatever products they had to to trade we and we had a very elaborate kind of trade system would and we also were&#8217;re proba be pretty astute Traders um we would if a tribe came to us to trade you know in order for us to recognize them and trade with them you know someone had to adopt be willing to adopt that and um listening to my little grandfather you know sometimes if they didn&#8217;t come with very good merchandise we wer very interested in trading with them and sometimes they might have a hard time finding someone to actually adopt it uh but we did adopt them and the price of adoption of course was to give presents give some of their stuff to the the family that adopted them they also very traitor so so people used to say well you&#8217;re you were kind of Walmart of the upper Missouri I said no no no we wer the Walmart we were the original Sam&#8217;s Club because in order to trade with us you had to buy into our our system um and then uh as we we moved North oh in our own stories our own myths our own our own origin stories so there still there&#8217;s some question about just exactly where we put ourselves we had a Creator by the name of L man who who uh created the Earth along with a K character called first Creator e and uh those two together you know had walked Walked on walked on on the on the water and you know they found this gold found this this little plant with blood coming out of it and he had some connection with that plant and that plant told him you know I you know I&#8217;m your mother I&#8217;m the one that that produced you and so he was walking around wondering you know how that plant got there and he ran into this little duck call I guess a mud duck I think about and he asked the duck was ding down and coming back up and he asked the duck he said what what are you doing what&#8217;s down there and the duck said Earth there&#8217;s there&#8217;s fruit down there so he said well give me something so a little duck uh down and came back up and so he took four different and brought him four different pieces of earth and so as he was walking along you know he would take those Dr bit of that Earth and as he left left it would become become land this is our know there&#8217;s much more to it I mean these are you know long long stories and they were P for for many times so I when I was a little kid I heard you know the complete creation I was very fortunate that I got to spend what the first 6 years of my life living with my grandparents my my grandfather was a full what we call full BL all H and my uh so my mother was was Hera and my father was andad so I have on both sides uh my father&#8217;s uh my grandfather was you know traditional in the sense that you know he taught me a lot of the kind of the history the values uh and he always kind of told me about who I was and what I was going to face uh and told me that your life would be difficult as a as a male as a man I had responsibilities and I like these guys was age here and he tell me that you know nothing is easy because you are a man and you have responsibilities and continue this on and U when I was 6 years old in that inevitable day when you have to go off to school you know and like most kids you know went to school for a couple days and he wasn&#8217;t too cool he had to sit at a desk and he had to do certain things you couldn&#8217;t run around like you always were able to so I decided D this isn&#8217;t ready so I decided I wasn&#8217;t going to go to school and so I ra the big plus and my remember my grandfather sitting by me and uh talking to me and he said me he said you know he said I&#8217;ve been telling you all these years that have certain responsibilities that have and U these responsibilities you know you have to learn how to make a living so it&#8217;s very hard on the preservation he was actually was was very successful because we we moved from uh when they put us on reservations you know we moved along the river and continued our same lifestyle we still had large Gardens we raised our own food and we switched from the Buffalo to to raising T my grandfather was a real old of a farmer ground type I guess because he had all kinds of Critters on on his on his place he had East I remember East in particular because when you&#8217;re a little guy e like come up and just about discard your body and they like to nip I remember being ni a few times also had chickens I where chicken well because my first real job that I was responsible for was to gather the eggs when I went to get the eggs be uh there always certain hands that decided that they wanted to be mother hands instead of just so they would uh reach out to gra their a little kid Le a big impression on you so anyway so so he he told me that you know I needed to learn he had no idea what education was education couldn&#8217;t speak English and fortunately if you learn how to speak speak about almost interchangeably because we had some major Smalls epidemics and you know we were forced to come together our our our our languages are different but our cultures are very similar it&#8217;s almost hard to uh to know whether well certain stories are man only or there comination of man or stories um so anyway so that&#8217;s kind of how I got my my Foundation I learned I lived in in an environment where under one hand my grandfather Wasa and taught me the ways in the language so I grew up speaking H by folks on the other hand and people at my age my my parents age were very concerned that we learned how to speak English and that we went to school and that we got an education you know and so uh so they taught me to speak English so I I can&#8217;t remember a time I couldn&#8217;t speak either language I learned how to speak English and it simultaneous so it became a natural kind of thing I went to I went to about the fifth grade um I received an Indian name Indian name I received was uh was yellow yellow yis named after a by by a man uh who was but my my mother or my grandmother that side were we&#8217;re very we&#8217;re very religious they&#8217;re very Catholic my grandfather on the other hand I think you know was Catholic only because you know women have a way of kind of convincing you to do certain things and I think because of that he but I always felt that he really still need the old religion and U he had a ble uh Liv in a fairly large house at that time and I was able to have pretty much run of a house except for this room where the bundle was there was a bundle in there and there was a bule Ro and I was not allowed to go in there but anyway uh so I I was sent off to a Catholic school at the age of five I mean at the age of 10 years old board school by that time the Garrison Dam had was beginning in all of our schools were were being shut down I went to recers four years in a what we call a government School government Day School by theair and U so from there and last summer I was going away you know we had a Catholic priest who was very Adam at the his legacy being a Indian person from our reservation to be ordained a priest and so somehow at the 10 to age of 10 years old I was destined to be that person and so kind of as a uh not quite sure about kind of as a test to that to that charge so to speak I was given the name of a very religious kind of a person he was a very powerful medicine type person not exactly he wouldn&#8217;t like ATT but he was a very strong medicine type of person so and his name was yell yellow that&#8217;s got name was given his brother I went off to a school about a junior in high school I discovered girls and kind of ended my and I went on to to school re me background give some idea know what like my father was a uh one these guys that know he told you something and you might argue with him under your breath but you made sure that he didn&#8217;t hear you and so I I decided I was going to be a pre I was really confused about what I was going to do with myself so I decided I was to go to the Air Force and kind of find out what life was about and of course he he was ad but I going to college and so one day he goes to town and on our reservation you know we have an Indian agency and Indian agency pretty much you know tells us what to do so B long story short went the agent the agent talked about this great School in called fi in Minnesota and so my dad came back I&#8217;m telling you hey we were rers I was he my dad bouncing over the hill weighs me down I think oh something terrible has happened byway he uh says I know where you&#8217;re going to school and I said oh did you go to Minnesota they already you know they called me school got me Adit everything and then came back and told me where I was going so that was T today you batteries of tests and you have counselors and think well my I you&#8217;re going that as I was getting on the bus to leave he grabbed me and said you know you&#8217;re smart he said if you go over there and you raise hell and you don&#8217;t study and you out he said don&#8217;t come back here there&#8217;s nothing here for you so that was my that&#8217;s not how I grew up like but anyway whether has question who would be the man I told you a little bit about the you know how they they had this massive trade system the H were over in the East also we also have some questions some mythology in our or some stories in our culture that put us some somewhere at the most one time maybe at the MTH of the Mississippi River we might came up the river there some story that and so they like I mean let food but anyway uh you going talk a little bit about you know what life was like what who were we when l heart came to us besides having this massive tra I we have been contact we been we first ran into French around 1700 we were trading with them on a regular basis there were always Frenchmen that come in that came to our village and lived with us they married among our people and uh you know so we were used to to seeing white people come to our village and so when Lo in CLK came to our village we really weren&#8217;t B impressed the death were to some extent because in 1781 prior to 1781 they were the rulers of the upper Missouri there were large people there were numerous people and uh and they lived in these several Villages and each of these probably 10 Villages around the area by then they were living around the heart river in North Dakota and uh they were probably each capable of raising at least Warriors which you you think about it so it&#8217;s there a lot of people massive infrastructure and we developed all this all this this culture we&#8217;re M legal which means that the women were govern compar to know when Lou and clar came to us you women had you know didn&#8217;t even have the right to vote in most inst instances they were Step Above shadow in our culture women own everything they own classes certainly they you know with some help of us they they built their cles uh we did the huning we did the uh the garding of the village and the women you know did besides building their lodes they also you know they made clothes and they they also kept a meat PR care of the food and so for but they owned all that St so for example you know if you married a woman in our society at that time the you went into that woman&#8217;s Lodge and became part of her Lodge she didn&#8217;t come to your Lodge and become part of you you went to her so I suspect that if it were modern a that instead of they taking our name when we married we probably took their G When we married so and uh you know things were and also you know we had some pretty severe responsibilities responsibilities of providing food and those kind of things and if we didn&#8217;t do a very good job and if for some reason or other you know their our wife decided that we really want a very good investment there was no such this worrying about child support or who&#8217;s going to divide the property or that kind of thing all you did was just take your stuff and put it outside the lodge and and we were and you were hi you hope hope that you that you had a your mother still had room for you or somebody else take you in I&#8217;ll give you out there homeless basically um so and then uh you know things like we had our medicines you know people always wonder you know hearing about for instance that she had a very difficult time in labor I never fot why would she be except for Charo uh and charos C bring out the me why she would actually go to the Fort to have this child but she had all kinds of of help and systems back back in the D probably made her her her labor a lot easier all those guys that little try to have a video there but so we had all these Sy in place we knew how to how to doctor things we do the plants that that we had and and how to get tea and those kind of things and some even carry over to my when I was younger one time I was playing with a knife and u i was PR for it I was throwing the knife down like that and beh hold I stuck myself in the foot and I pulled the knife out you know blood just spr over place and I out a loud yell and my dad came running and I guess he thought I was probably probably got fit by r or something but when he saw what I did he went out into the into the trees there and he brought some leaves and he chewed those leaves and he put them on that that gushing blood and he just within literally within seconds of leaving stop never did try to find out what what PL that we choose in order to do that you unfortunately that&#8217;s G so so much of that so much of our our ways of medicine those kind of things are are gone because we didn&#8217;t uh bother to either find out about them or try to uh r that partly because we had two major small epidemics in 187 1781 and that was probably one of the major major reasons that as result that smallet epidemic the almost wiped out some you prob me if you were in school about when I was went the history books he find out that all the uh that all the mands were were were gone there were no mands I go heing that school and U coming back home and quing my parents about why they were telling me I was about M because I wasn&#8217;t there were no M left the teacher said that teacher right so uh we had this so when leis and Clark came up the river you know the mandz looked at them as a way to get some of their influence back to get some of their power back you know some new trading partners they really had no idea about you know what what they were doing they weren&#8217;t used to having discovers discover for sa us to having Traders their Village that was change and when they got done you know and all this top about see some of the things that Louis and Par did because we had a very sophisticated system of saying a family you&#8217;re born you&#8217;re born into a family and immediately at Birth you know you&#8217;re a grandfather you&#8217;re a father and you&#8217;re an uncle we didn&#8217;t have cousins in our in our culture and each of those had had K with responsibilities the uncles for instance on my father&#8217;s side my dad&#8217;s Brothers their role was to help to be to have respect to understand culture and also that was the go of of our B my brothers my mother&#8217;s Brothers on the other hand were the disciplinarian they&#8217;re the ones that taught you how to pay attention to things how to mind that kind of thing and and they did this with you know a fair h of very good persuasion sorry I what of I uh talking we were talking about that one of one of my relatives tell me about his experience when he was a kid he said he lived in a little Community called Shel and there was a and there was a shelter which and the water ran fairly fast North Dakota in the winter time you know usually gets pretty cold and almost everything freezes over well in this instance there apparently was a little spot there where the ice didn&#8217;t freeze and there were fish in that area so he used to run down there and watch play with a p and his mother was very concerned that he would fall in the water and ground and he wouldn&#8217;t die he wouldn&#8217;t mind keep running down there out run down there so one day her brother showed up and he told she told him that she a really concerned about La she said he&#8217;s down there he always goes down there that fish I&#8217;m afraid he&#8217;s going to freeze or CCH a terrible cold or whatever so he said okay so he went back outside put on his horse SC down there sure enough was La went the fish so he grabbed La by his by his heels and he put his head first into that ice pool water remember cuz what 20 below zero outside he said just about the time he thought he would grounded he pulled him out shook him good as soon as he caught his breath he stuck him back in the water again and then he put him he said he put me on the back of his horse and he G back to the house well you know that when it&#8217;s that cold and wind you know everything that&#8217;s wet freezes almost instantly and so by the time he got back to the house his clothes from about here on upward frozen but the effect was that he said he never went by that again I the same you my uh my Nemesis was my was my uh one of my mother older brothers his name was Thomas and U that was the role he played was that if I was looking around not doing it what my PO wanted me to do their magic word was we&#8217;re going to have tell uple to and take oh no and so and he came to the house first thing he would do is asked my parents if I was behaving myself this guy behaving himself know I&#8217;m sitting here the only place I was when whatever I see him coming I would take off of the house I guess when I was younger I would scream and take off of the house try to get get so the place that I always found found any kind of a uh any kind of safety at all is my grandma&#8217;s black if I got to my grandma before Tom got to be I was safe no matter what she going to but nobody else would so that was and this was an age old system though parents did not discipline the children they disciplined somebody else&#8217;s children in their roles as so we had this very complicated system uh in the earth lodges in the summer in the winter time you know we built Earth lodes on top and the summer one know e to farm up there number two there was you can see distances the enemy coming number three uh comfortable bugs and stuff and wind and blow winds a lot night Bree and all these nice uh bires would be like like an air condition Sy win time we went down below and we we built we built uh new smaller lodges and then onto The Lodges was a little big kind of like an Annex almost and in that anex the uh grandfather or the older folks the grandparents and the young children would spent most their time because it was nice and warm in there just ideal place for education to go on culture so that&#8217;s how we were living when those came to us we we had all these all these system we also had a system of PL now remember we when Louis and Clark came to SP time Village we we live you know just and side by side in these large villages we had no Poli system or we had no no written laws or no jails or anything anything like that we did have a place syst that but we did have we those kind of things and so we um we kept order number one we they developed a plans system and the plans were you know basically almost like an extended family they also played some of the same roles like the clent unes were people who provided certain kinds of par for instance being a Society we were born into our mother&#8217;s plan and the mother&#8217;s plan had certain responsibilities the father&#8217;s plan on the other hand also had certain responsibilities and they would um one of the major ones was they were it was up to them when you passed away you sent your spirit to to the spirit world EV our we we still do that where we we called senior be a our language and their job was to be sure that you are sent to the right right direction and we&#8217;re all with those ke that one of things we always had I think kept us through difficult times was our ability to laugh at things to laugh at ourselves to tease to tease each other even you know at very somber times I remember one time there was a story about this guy who was his job was to send the spirit off to the to the right place you stand at the foot of the the gra you know the person&#8217;s head is pointed to the east they always set the spirits off we believe that they to to the East and so he&#8217;s out there and usually know say you give instructions say don&#8217;t come back you know don&#8217;t be scaring people don&#8217;t know always all these kind of things say this kind of long Sal thing and one the things he said to this to Spirit was he said you&#8217;re going to a place where there&#8217;s going to be good things to eat like oranges and apples guy couldn&#8217;t speak get he sing this in English and one the guys P the other guy he said I think he&#8217;s send him to Florida go Sav R I was going to try to stop about now I guess um and I kind want talk with you rather than at you so anybody has any questions I try to try to try to answer that right now yes how does the okay the ricas uh were always south of us they you know they came from around the area around the Arkansas River they moved up and eventually I think when Lou and Clark came they were probably somewhere around around the border of north south F South and they always were sometimes we were at war with them U you know we had kind of a difficult relationship until about the 1840s when they came to know because of the the tribes the or thetic tribes coming together they move closer towards us and we asked them to we were living at like a fishal village and at was 1845 they were across the river and we said you come and join us because in numbers we can be more effective against our enemies and the arra felt that at that point that they didn&#8217;t need to do that this happened a few times and eventually they got attacked by a bunch of enemies and eventually joined us that&#8217;s how they came together again I was saying that know we we teach each other all the time and so our word for the they call themselves sish and we call them which basically means you know if you were in a fight with somebody and that person was beeding you up and you came running to me for help that&#8217;s what choice words for us questions yes what about the the I&#8217;m sorry I forgot to mention well about the Welsh coming up because some of your words are similar to The Welsh and you&#8217;re home to come they weren&#8217;t really they were more like Buffalo bus yeah that&#8217;s what I mean I well I don&#8217;t know I guess most of us don&#8217;t think that there&#8217;s anything to that you know and you know and um really there&#8217;s no evidence there&#8217;s there were stories about Mand dancing some some blue maybe the Vikings have gotten mixed up with somewhere along the way but in our Among Us there&#8217;s really no evidence of that ever Happ so first Contact was with a friend andly the French came with us and they married with us but there was no think so yes if you were wiped out if you were wiped out by small pox I said we were almost right okay almost thank and we do have and there&#8217;s very few unfortunately Amanda culture itself you is really the language is really endangered at this point there to my knowledge there are two uh real fluent Mand speakers left I I also shared the U I worked at the Museum my my career was in Healthcare Management um after I retired in 1999 and then U I got interested in history and amateur historian with emphasis on amateur that way I can say anything to you I want so but so that&#8217;s kind of how I uh that&#8217;s how I got you know involved and and we&#8217;re trying to preserve we have a a u you know working with one of the colleges and we&#8217;re we have the person the one person that we have that&#8217;s a fullet speaker is being taped to telling stories in in the Mand language and will archive those and then know so we&#8217;re trying to at this point to preserve the language but the other on the also on the other hand being you know somewhat pragmatic that we need to preserve so that you know we will have an archives to go to to be able to bring back and and see what we can together there is an apprentice typ person who is studying just got his Masters he&#8217;s one of our trial members nephew of M uh just got his Masters in specialy in preserving uh indigenous languages and he&#8217;s desperately Mand know doing almost a total abion Liv with this and language so might yes are youu yes yes yes we are it&#8217;s difficult because most of you probably stud foreign language you know some type of foreign language Latin did four years of Latin in high school and took a year Spanish oh I also know how to I I used to know how to speak German primar because I used to hang out with the grade school I went to high school I was German Russian community in North Dakota lot of the so I learn how to speak anyway uh so it&#8217;s very difficult to teach it in school because with two things one is that know we need to preserve the language and the culture at the other hand we also need to have our kids learn the skills they need in order to become you know successful World they need to learn math they need learn English um you know they need to learn sciences and that kind of thing so it&#8217;s kind of kind to put those two together we have the double responsibility learning the skills that will allow us to be to be successful in the world and also Hader I was up in North Dakota last year we went over into Mont there was an Indi University that we went to okay we also have AOL okay and they were saying that there were mostly young women with children who were attended and that there was a day care for the children wouldn&#8217;t that be an ideal place to start do that we&#8217;re try to do that reason that there you just mentioned that there are most of our reservations don&#8217;t have community because we tried sending students out when I went to school there were I think out of out of our tribe there were probably what six of us that went off to colleges I went to a school at B there were four big reservations right around B and there were six Indian people in in at the state and all six of us were Jacks so but now you know they have an IND studies program you know we have this year we graduated a lot of students we know our TR this doation for being pretty well educated we have we have doctors U Physicians we have doctors philosophy we have several M I guess we say that almost any field you mention a field we probably have one of our C members that&#8217;s successful at practicing that field doesn&#8217;t mean that we&#8217;re without problems you know the the system of destroying the male especially when you know when transition happened we put on reservations uh and then we had a thing called Garrison Dam which completely destroyed our culture and we&#8217;re trying to recover from that uh you know lot of the destruction was aimed at the veils and our system our way of life and and quite successful yeah so we&#8217;re trying to recover from that we&#8217;re trying to Define who we are as and and and what our life will be in the future because we feel that&#8217;s our responsibility to that take care of ourselves feed ourselves and set up but also to preserve who we are and and communicate that to the Next Generation yes how did the M get along with the suit not well not well we were their name for us the s word the makot word I say there three different dialects of word for for the h man dance is uh to and to means enemy but I I used to work uh at 48 s Ro which is reservation down where city was from and so forth I first win you know and people were strong I oh you&#8217;re a to so I got the right idea okay that must be what we are so asked me where you from I said I&#8217;m a to some me you know what means I said oh me enemy but we not we get along really well in fact my uh see my niece back there and you know she&#8217;s a m and some German and my my son-in-law is a is a now we&#8217;re friends but we no we didn&#8217;t get however we did we we had this massive trade system they used to not trade with us and so when they came to trade with us we we had a u i like a truce not only a truce but when they came our village to trade they became part of us so if we got attacked by a sue band while they were there they were obligated to Def to help us defend ourselves working the world today I don&#8217;t know question about your Earth lodges a question about your Earth lodges you said the um the summer ones were up on the top of the hills and the winter ones down in The Valleys uh did you rebuild the year or were they had to re well the summer lodes worked those were permanent but us the river ones were I mean the B ones were usually because what you know during the winter you have a massive drain on the the resources especially especially wood because we wood and so we probably Prett well completed the resources we also had we elected chief that came to our Villages a couple guys happen to be was happen to be their particular time to be and so they were immediately chosen as the as as the Chiefs we had temporary kinds of chiefs so we our people our leaders we had this elaborate Society system where you started out as a youngster and if you proved yourself then you ended up being you know a black mouth which was the top Society he became to old to be a black go and he became a a member of the the old go dog Society the old W societies those two societies were the ones that made policies and for black car them out and there were like there was a group called The Fox kit and their job if the village was under attack and we needed to escape there were like the kamakazi on that would sacrifice their life for the uh you know for the good ability of all their songs and centered around the philosophy of death you know good to die for the cause kind of thing we&#8217;re kind of one more question yeah I play I this week 6:30 uh earlier did you describe kind of in depth your spiritual belief so when was Catholicism introduced to your tribe and were there any attempts to suppress your your spirit oh absolutely absolutely I probably around 18 1860s &#8217;70s know we had a reservation which divide the fa into two two parts and and the the uh Congregational Church was given the responsibility to christianize the Savages of one side and the Catholics were given the responsibility to christianize these saes you know on the other side unfortunately you know again it was kind of like those in park when they came to our F they recognized nothing positive about what we were doing we had this elaborate system we survived for for centuries develop the spiritual people gave there to us but then we were desolated by Smalls we were starving to death and I think it was more of just a Breaking of our will we didn&#8217;t have much that and so we we became we became Catholics who became congregational now there&#8217;s all kinds of other churches there too but the you know our Traditions are are coming back and we&#8217;re trying to find you know redefine I think anyway I think my time is it&#8217;s been a pleasure and we make a commercial announcement in the uh fall August of 2006 there will be a signatur at Fort birle you know we&#8217;re kind of as I was saying L and Clark were really no big deal I&#8217;m doing an oral history project right now and I&#8217;m interviewing several of my contemporaries and direct I reservation believe it or not um and one of the questions I asked them you know so what do you recall your anybody in your house your an your your grandparents anybody talking about leis and Clark and there&#8217;s virtually nothing about L and Clark say what about she whatever you know where she married Etc ET there&#8217;s very little to do about about s the only thing that you know we take pride in is that I mean we&#8217;re not was a fine win uh and but the thing that we that we we can say with with confidence is that there were any number of our women that would have had the stamina and so forth you to be able to walk out to the pafic carrying a child and come back but anyway August of 2006 we&#8217;ll have our s event hope that a lot of you will come and visit us we the home of or we&#8217;re the place where ghost and Par spent their winter we&#8217;ll try to make you as comfortable as we may l in par when we came there hopefully hopefully you won&#8217;t be as much trouble because us the little the little I been able to gather about you know one I know one of our our Chiefs was saying you know that they came to us having no skills I they never lived in the in in the cold North Dakota winter before 42 was toally totally unheard of I was in at the monello opening up the park I think one day it was there like seven above and everybody was freeing for that I mean that&#8217;s you know that&#8217;s where they came from and so they had no skills and we had you know they were one of the old Chiefs old was saying we had to watch them like a HW so we wouldn&#8217;t do anything stupid with that think for coming in and sharing that with us we always like to having it here on our stage I&#8217;ll tell you a little bit about the</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welcome to the ten mini voices and the core Discovery 2 I&#8217;d like to give you a little bit of history on us and how coming to St Louis really is the culmination of something spectacular the core Discovery to is the bicentennial commemoration of the Lewis and Clark expedition it&#8217;s a bunch of big words to say 200 years ago Lewis and Clark and the members of the Expedition left the East Coast came to St Louis in 180 4 they left St Louis to find an all water route to the Pacific Ocean and then in 1806 they made their Hasty return what took him almost a year and a half to get to the get to the Pacific Ocean took them just about six months to return and so we&#8217;ve been on this six-month Journey since about late February early March of this year where we too started on the Pacific Ocean and have been making our Trek back to St Louis and so we&#8217;ve been going by land where Lewis and Clark went by water we&#8217;ve been visiting different American Indian reservations and Nations we&#8217;ve interacted with dozens of communities and this weekend is the finale this is where this traveling National Park the only one of its kind reaches its conclusion and so this is our final presentation today in the Ten of many voices and I would like to tell you that the tent of many voices is exactly what it&#8217;s named for this tent has has allowed several different historians reenactors musicians lawyers American Indian Nation members all walks of life have come through to include dogs have come through this tenam many voices to tell about some aspect of the Lewis and Clark expedition and so our final for our final presentation this afternoon you&#8217;re going to have a fantastic treat Matt he is going to give you some music and history of the Mandan Nation he&#8217;s a fantastic flute player so please Welcome Matt shann Andor for e well um thank you for coming out here today my my final performance here in the the tent of many voices um as she said my name is Matt shanor and I&#8217;m a enrolled member from the fort birth old um community and reservation um my ancestry goes back to the mandans and hadat of people um coming out of the Missouri Valley area in North Dakota and I also have a descendant of the Onida tribe from Wisconsin that&#8217;s kind of where the shannondorf shann andoa in that song that we all know shann andoa but um today though I&#8217;ve come here to to play a little bit of the flute music as well as talk to you a little bit about the Mand Dan some stories that um I was told from my grandmother growing up and um before we get started here though talking about the Mandan College give you a little bit of background on it though the mandans were Lewis and Clark met them when they went up the Missouri River in 1804 and just before about 20 year time period before Lewis and Clark came up the river the mandans were actually living south of where um Lewis and Clark met them and this area of the Missouri River was a a very large area of the Missouri River where the Mandan lived and they numbered in the thousands there was almost 15,000 man den living in this area just up to about the 1780s and so these are massive communities that lived in this area and that&#8217;s kind of the the history that I I speak about is that time period just before LS and Clark came up the river here and um there&#8217;s a there&#8217;s a village that we have up there a state park in North Dakota called The honestl Village and it&#8217;s a Mandan Village site and there we tell the story of the Mandan people and I&#8217;ve been telling that story for a number of years and I&#8217;ll relate back to that a little bit later here but um the Manan culture though nothing was ever written down and so with that everything was passed on orally oral Traditions oral stories oral histories the language passed on and so with that it&#8217;s a key part of the mandang culture and the tradition of many Native cultures that their history be passed on orally to the upcoming generations and I think that&#8217;s such an important part to learn from all these stories and cultures that have come together for the Lewis and Clark Journey here um the stories multiple Stories being told about Lewis and Clark as they travel all the way to the Pacific coast and came back through this area those same stories we can learn from they have been passed on for multiple Generations but there is a set of stories though that I want to begin with and these are called creation stories and and in the Mandan culture the the there&#8217;s there stories that talk about how everything came to be the the river the trees the sky the birds the people themselves in NOA how they became how they came to be where they were those were all considered creation stories and and the flute itself also has a creation story and that story talks about how this instrument this this sound how it became part of the Mandan culture here so I want to begin with that story here for you today but this story though it starts out with a warrior and he set it out he set out to find U food for his family this this strong Warrior was tracking the game along the the river banked areas and in North Dakota we have large forested areas of cottonwood trees these really tall trees that that grow and this Warrior was down in this wooded area along the river and he was tracking the game and while this Warrior this young Warrior he got turned around in this forest and he really didn&#8217;t know which way he wanted to get out and and Nightfall was coming too so it became dark so this Warrior beded down for the night and this Warrior he laid beside one of these massive cottonwood trees and he he listened to all the night sounds that you hear the the owls The Crickets the wind blowing blowing through the leaves of these trees and it was a very calming sound listening to all these night sounds as they came together well there was a sound that came about that this Warrior had never heard before it was a Eerie ghostly sound that blew through these leaves but that Warrior he listened to that sound as it blew through this forest and that Warrior fell asleep listening to that sound well in a dream this Warrior had he saw a red-headed woodpecker and this bird told this Warrior follow me follow me follow me so that Warrior when he woke the next morning he gathered up all his belongings and started to find his way out of this wooded area as this Warrior was moving through this this Forest along the river he spotted that woodpecker perched in the trees in front of him and he stared at that bird that bird stared back at that Warrior and slowly that Warrior dropped everything that he had as he stared that stared at bird well that woodpecker flew off the branch and that that Warrior followed him as fast as he could through the forest and this woodpecker LED this Warrior out to an open Prairie and standing alone was this cedar tree and as this Warrior approached this tree it was he noticed it was very old and the top branches begun to die off and as he got closer he realized that there was light glistening through these these branches on the top of this tree that woodpecker had pecked holes in all those top branches of that tree well that Warrior as he stood there list or looking at this tree a gust of wind blew across the Prairie and he made that same sound he had heard the night before so that Warrior he climbed the tree took a branch off and went back to his village and there he sat for many days and he he fiddled with this branch and trying to make that sound he had heard he became frustrated with it so the the warrior left the village he went up to a hill topped area overlooking the river and there he cried for a vision on how to make that sound that he&#8217; heard well on the fourth night of his journey there this this woodpecker again came to this war and he changed into the the form of a man it was the creator and in this man&#8217;s hands he held a cedar branch and with bone tools this man showed that Warrior how to make his first flute play his first song well when that man left that Warrior went out to find that tree again and he in the shade of that tree he took a branch from that tree and with bone tools he carved his very first flute and learned his first song and dedicated that song to that woodpecker that bird that had inspired him to to to learn this music and to find out more about this sound that he&#8217; heard well when that Warrior had learned his song he went back to his village he gathered everyone into the plaza of this Village and he stood up in front of them all and this was very brave for this Warrior to do because in the Mandan traditions and and many of the the native Traditions you don&#8217;t you didn&#8217;t speak up to your elders you always listen to your elders because they always had something wise to tell you a story to tell you but this Warrior this young Warrior had a story to tell the people of his village and so he sat everyone down and he stood up and he told them the story about the Woodpecker told them the story about the flute he showed them his flute that he had made and he played his song for them the so that Warrior he played the song for the people of the village and they were all stunned as this sound echoed through the Village area and this Warrior he stood up and kind of walked away because his crowd was quiet and this Warrior started to make his way away from the crowd an elder gentleman stood up and congratulated this warrior with praise on this new sound he had brought to the village and one by one the people of the village began to stand up and congratulate this Warrior and praise again on how to how the sound had echoed through the village and how it brought his story to life that he had told and so that Warrior went out and he found other Warriors in the village and he gathered them and pulled them aside he gave a piece of that that cedar tree and with bone tools he showed them how to make their own fluts and told them to go out to the surroundings around them and find inspiration for their songs so that they too could teach this to their sons and teach this to their grandsons so that the story of the flute and the flute players and makers would always be part of the Manan culture so that&#8217;s the creation story of how the flute came to be as um part of the Mandan and this the story is very similar to many Native cultures around the the the United States area here as well a as a as well as around the country or World in fact you see wooden fluts like this in in most cultures around the world and that same type of story of the Creator giving them this instrument is very common between that now in the archaeological and historical references of the flute we find the first um indications of flutes in these cultures in the Northern Plains area here coming around in around 1200 ad with the finding of Eagle bone whistles and those gradually progressed into wood and and Cedar being a very sacred wood but it was also very soft and so could be easily be carved with with bone tools and and be held together as well this one here as well as this one are Cedar and you&#8217;re going to notice there&#8217;s quite a bit different tone in them and sound compared to the other fluts that are just um um different types of hardwood that you&#8217;d find as well I&#8217;ll explain a little bit more uh later on that but the next song that I want to play for you here though is uh my first food song and the story for this song um this song&#8217;s called Eagle dreams and my grandmother her name was Eagle pum woman and she was a three4 mixture of Mandan and Hada and she was raised up at Fort berl by her grandmother and her grandmother had done many of the the traditional Manda and Hada um gardening techniques and and and told her many stories when she was growing up before she went off to boarding school um at age six and so when I was growing up as a child I was told a lot of these stories not as a child we didn&#8217;t um myself and my brothers we we didn&#8217;t want to we never wanted to sit down for a long period of time you know we wanted to run around play have fun watch some TV and so the really only time that my grandmother ever had a chance to really tell us these stories was when we were tied to a chair getting our hair cut by her she used to cut her hair and so she would tell us these stories and and they weren&#8217;t stories about so and so knows so and so and and these are your relatives cuz she would tell us those stories but the stories that really that are in my memory of her are uh the stories that talk about the the life styles in these Villages there&#8217;s no pictures of these Villages besides paintings that we have from Catlin and bobber and that&#8217;s that&#8217;s after the time period of smallpox but there was one there was a time Peri when the mandin were a huge community and so these stories would give images in my head of of these massive Villages along the river and these Gardens that spread along the river as well well as I Grew Older I began working at our our state park and I started learning more and more about my Heritage but the thing that really inspired me was our um our village there The honestant Village the the homes of the Mandan the Earth lodges that are there were um really bad off they had been standing for 50 60 years there and my grandmother thought it was a very U bad representation of the Mandan Nation she would call it these decaying homes falling apart and um collapsing in on themselves and so she she fought with other other Mandan elders and and trying to get awareness to this Village and to get um money put aside to restore it back to its um to tell the mam story well um a month before she passed away she found out that the the federal government would get give the organization there $1.9 million to restore this Village and and so when I started in 1999 I got to see all of her dreams come true and today you can go there and see these lodges see the stuff in them and hear the story of the mandam people and that&#8217;s one of the greatest things I think of her dream was that the story of the mam people is being told to thousands of visitors as they come through this park and so that really inspired me during that time to learn about my ancestry which I I knew a little bit about but not a lot and when I was doing that I came across the the flute and the instruments that were part of these Villages and so that really stood out for me so this song Here is called Eagle dreams e oh e for now um getting to the Mandan living along these Villages here these um these massive Villages they said there was about 15,000 people strong that lived along these Villages and the mandans were gardeners they farmed the flood Plains of this Missouri River out here and they had massive Gardens and in these Gardens the M grew corn and beans and squash and sunflower and this was the money for the mandans this made them a wealthy tribe along the Missouri cuz this was their trade item the mandans and hadat that area were the center of trade for the Northern Great Plains tribes from all over would come in to to meet with the mandans and trade for their crops and so during the summertime these women were down tending to the gardens and my grandma was me would always mention it about these these Gardens and and the women down there that they were the backbone of the the Mandan tribe in the in the Villages because of this food that they had and so you have to imagine though thousands of women down along these flood planes and um I can just imagine in your head you can probably imagine two sitting up on the the the valley overlooking this and hearing these women down there because the women would sing to their crops during the day because in the Mandan belief everything has a spirit this River out here has a spirit the corn the beans the squash everything has a spirit it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a living um creature thing and so it has that spirit that needs to be nurtured and so those women would sing songs religious songs these were prayerful songs to this Garden to grow strong and healthy and so thousands of women down along these Plains you could hear these voices echoing and spreading along this um Missouri River here the the valley the garden areas and you can imagine the sound the feeling that you&#8217;d get from that type so this next song Here is called watching the corn e e e now there was um in these V villes though that the men also contributed to the village and as I said this food this this this these gardens made these Villages very very wealthy and so the men needed to protect these Villages and so you had Warriors the men that were defended these Villages from enemies coming in as well as they went out and hunted and brought meat into the village as well as game that they could use all parts of the Bison for all different types of tools and useful things in the village nothing ever went to waste but um something came through this area that these men these strong Warriors the Mandan Nation could not fend off and what that was was small pox coming into these Villages here and it&#8217;s made its way all the way up into the northern Great Plains and it affected the mandans just like it affected Nations and civilizations all around the world that same disease affected the mandans and for the M as I&#8217;ve been telling you is their their culture was passed on orally to the upcoming generations and so with that he must like my program out there he can hear me um but with the Mandan Nation everything passed on story so as these people died off in large numbers stories began to die off with them and were lost forever and one of the the areas of these Villages of the population of the village that was affected the the worst were the elders because of they weren&#8217;t able they weren&#8217;t strong enough to fight that disease I mean you could survive from small pucks but uh rare PE rare numbers ever did survive that disease and it was usually the the strong and healthy individuals so some Elders would die and in those stories if they hadn&#8217;t told or passed on that information that would go with them and when my grandmother was alive she&#8217;d always when when um friends up on uh reservation or or even siblings of her hers when they would die or pass on she&#8217;d always say there was a great wealth of knowledge that was lost there and um when she passed away I felt the same way I felt there was a loss of knowledge I didn&#8217;t know everything that I should have known before she had left and she often times compared it to a set of encyclopedias burning up and you couldn&#8217;t access that information and we don&#8217;t really use encyclopedias today but imagine if your internet cord got cut and you couldn&#8217;t search the internet you had that same loss that you you were lost you didn&#8217;t have that information and so this next song Here is called a grandparents farewell is because these Elders of these Villages were the most respected people in the whole village you never I was taught growing up as as a child you never you never looked your elders in the eye and so you always looked away and you always listened to them if they had something to say you never talked while they were talking and so they were very well respected because of the the wisdom that they had and the knowledge that they had had from these Villages so next song again it&#8217;s called a grandparents farewell for while as this disease went through the village Warriors these strong Warriors that would protect them from enemies coming into the tribe gathered around and these Warriors would gather around often times around a drum and for the Mandan culture and in many cultures around the world a drum is one of the most sacred instruments that can be part of that Village the drum is never left unattended it&#8217;s all there&#8217;s prayers for the drum there&#8217;s even tobacco offered to the drum and because it&#8217;s it mimics the most the first sound we hear as a child in the womb of our mother we hear that heartbeat that beat of life as some may call it and that drum really represents that represents that that beat that keeps life going and so these Warriors would gather around this drum and they&#8217;d sing songs and these songs were were prayerful songs they were powerful medicine wed off these evil spirits that had come into the village and that&#8217;s really what they thought that disease was was evil spirits coming to this Village so this next song here you&#8217;ll hear those Warriors and those voices coming together n d we&#8217;ll have um a couple last songs here for you this next song Here is called the The Rebirth of a nation and and for the mandans as I studied their history after small pox and after Lewis and Clark came through this area um they were they suffered through small poox again with that with that same disease and for the mandans in 50 years the mandans had gone from this massive tribe 15,000 down to less than a thousand people 50 years and so you can imagine what stories what songs what traditions were lost during that time period but in any sense myself being here today and many of the the Mand descendants that are are here at this celebration all around us speaking and telling their story that theyve been told about the Mandan us descendants being here is rep a representative of the mandans overcoming those obstacles stles Through Time overcoming that and the reason that they were able to overcome that is because the stories those simple stories that were told to the children as they were growing up to the teenagers as they started to learn their ways around the village those simple Stories being told to each generation has been able to have the M Dan still around today and make sure that those stories are still around and that still happens today those stories are still being passed on just like I tell told you story here today myself passing that story on to you those stories are continually being passed on to the upcoming Generations so as long as this River out here is Flowing the mandans will always have a presence along this River here so this next song Here is called The Rebirth of a Nation turn the CD up a little bit oh e the e I have um One Last Song here to close with this song Here is called A Warrior&#8217;s spirit and this is really because the Mandan tradition in in many Native Traditions we&#8217;re always remembering our ancestors right here with this this Festival here this this celebration we&#8217;re remembering the ancestors the people that came up this River the the tribes that lived here the tribes that met Lewis and Clark all those ancestors all those stories we remember them and that&#8217;s very key in in in in passing on those stories and so when when my family gets together and I go out and give a tour of our our village I&#8217;m always remembering my ancestors my grandmother even remembering those stories those people that come before us and it&#8217;s the same with all you folks here as well uh remembering where You&#8217; have come from your ancestors and so this next song I want you to close your eyes and and think of uh stories you may have been told by your grandparents grandmother grandfather stories that you were told if you have grandchildren what stories are do you want to tell them for them to pass on to their kids and their grandchildren as well you&#8217;re remembering those stories and in turn you&#8217;re remembering those ancestors that have come so this last song is here called a warrior spirit all right well I I thank you for coming out here today and and taking in the the celebration here make sure you take in everything around here today but uh thanks for listening to me and spending some time here in the the tent with me we have just a minute or two if you have a question or two for Matt and if you don&#8217;t have any questions or you do um I have a a couple gentlemen up at U my reservation before birth at make them for me I I&#8217;m learning how to make them it just it&#8217;s a really hard artwork to work with so I haven&#8217;t really got it down path yet so hopefully sometime I&#8217;ll get it down but right now I have a couple gentlemen that flute makers up there that make my great uncle was a uh a flute maker for the Mandan was your shirt actually this one&#8217;s new I just I I had it just for this this so I haven&#8217;t washed it yet so you&#8217;ll have to ask my mother on that one though if there are no other questions then we thank you very much for attending the different programs here today and we&#8217;ll be open again tomorrow from 9 until 5: thank you and have a good evening</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30s um Dr Molton earned his PhD and his Ma at Oklahoma State University and then became assistant professor of history at Southwestern Oklahoma State University where he worked on the John Ross project um advertisement for editor of the Lewis and Clark journals for the University of Nebraska caught his eye and I was just talking to Gary&#8217;s lovely wife Bay and asking you know uh was it kind of interesting how he uh found out about the job you know you never know how things are going to turn out and I guess uh some of uh Gary&#8217;s grandchildren are very interested in that as well maybe he&#8217;ll share a little bit of that but here&#8217;s a quote from him when I first started this project I had no idea the breadth and depth of the material said reflecting on his hiring as editor for the journals of the Lewis and Clark expedition I never en Vision 13 volumes or taking 20 years he remembers that he soon discovered the materials were so vast that his task seemed incomprehensible he admits feeling slightly panicked and my doctor caused me to take taxel for me the most exciting Moment In This research project came when I said Woo when I realized I could do it I was finished with the first volume and well into the second when I realized I can do this and and the person that wrote this said you know that must have been very similar to what Lewis and Clark felt when they first imagined their journey and then after they got their first couple of stops under their belt maybe their first tribal in 2001 Dr M was uh awarded the outstanding research and create creativity award from the University of Nebraska at Lincoln he&#8217;s a member of the Nebraska Lewis and Clark Bicentennial commission which still is in existence through 2007 and we&#8217;re very pleased that he&#8217;s working on that and he&#8217;s a scholar and Residence at the uh Missouri River Basin Leon Clark interpretive Center and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s many other things but one thing we know he is a friend of the mouth of the pl he&#8217;s been here before and I was very pleased that when um I asked him to speak with us tonight that he is approachable as he has always seemed to be that&#8217;s one thing that everybody says uh especially by the way U my girlfriend Dell that was great Dr Molton when you talked to her anyway and of course she was in tears when she first met you in Philadelphia when when she got to hold the journals that was a very special moment anyway without further Ado I will present to you Dr Gary M thank you very much uh I&#8217;m testing the equipment here uh can you hear me all right back there in very back thank you well I was sort of envious of the person who got the award for coming the farthest I told my table that Fay and I had amassed more miles than that today shopping in Omaha I&#8217;m not sure that we shouldn&#8217;t have gotten that we came over early and spent the whole day so Omaha is a big city that little candle Lincoln over there and it&#8217;s sort of we been looking up at the tall buildings all day and so it&#8217;s really great to be back here in Omaha remember standing right over there a few years ago and giving my talk I see some of you nodding uh in remembrance of that evening which means uh I&#8217;m going to have to think of a different talk because you may remember that one I came up with something fresh at least St it&#8217;s FR for you it&#8217;s a talk I&#8217;ve given a few times lately and it&#8217;s a way to sort of look back on the by Centennial from an academic point of view you know that&#8217;s where I come from and so that&#8217;s what moves me and uh gets my thought processes going and I&#8217;m here to tell you tonight about the three pillars that hold the Louis and Clark expedition together the documentary evidence that we have that makes the Lewis and Clark expedition so special part of the reason we&#8217;ve celebrated it in the B Centennial is because we have this abundance of documentary materials that shed light on what happened during the Expedition so we have journals kept by the two captains and foreign listed men we have m Ms of the Expedition gathered by Lewis before the trip and then made in the field by Clark as they traveled across the continent back and then maps that were made after the Expedition is sort of the grand result of the area that they had seen and we have Botanical specimens plants that were gathered by Lewis during the trip pressed between sheets of paper and hauled back and forth across the continent so these three pillars of the Louis and Clark expedition come down as our heritage from that trip I want to tell you tonight that these are living legacies of leis and the journals aren&#8217;t notebooks that are set on some shell Gathering dust and some uh archive that nobody knows knows about the Botanical specimens aren&#8217;t plants in the basement of some building being eaten Away by bugs and the maps aren&#8217;t simply wavy lines on sheets of paper that represent places that nobody knows about these materials are being actively used today by Scholars by enthusiasts such for yourself by people of all different sorts of interest and so I want to talk tonight about how these materials are being used by Scholars to enhance our notion and interest in the Louis and CLK Expedition and these are recent studies that have come about largely as a result of the interest that&#8217;s been generated by the by Centennial by Steven Ambrose&#8217;s book and Ken bur film my own Endeavors in editing the journals of Lewis and CLK April the 12th 1805 leis and Clark were just a few days out of Fort M where they winter during the uh winter of 180405 there north of bis Mark in North Dakota and now they had moved up the Missouri River a few miles and they stopped that day April the 12th 1805 at the mouth of the little Missouri River Louis and Clark wanted to take some astronomical observations you know the fix their spot on the earth and that would help of Clark&#8217;s mapping and just their knowledge of the terrain in general more I&#8217;m sure they stopped because the men were probably tired you know they had softened up over a winter of little physical activity and now they were spending five or six days pulling and pulling and pushing those boats against the Relentless current of the Missouri River so give them a chance to rest up maybe dry out some of their equipment and to reprovision the party and in that regard Lewis and Clark sent out 10 Hunters 10 Hunters were spread out over the terrain looking for food for the party we&#8217;ve heard a bit about that already this evening 10 men went out and they came back with only a single deal now a single deer is not nearly enough to feed a party of 33 working hand they needed much more than that listen to what leis said on one occasion we eat an immensity of meat it requires four deer an elk and a deer or one Buffalo to supply us plentifully for 24 hours a buffalo might yield 500 to 1,000 lb pounds of meat a deer only one quarter of that amount now part of Bob&#8217;s conversation here were about the nutritional needs the caloric needs of the party as they did their work across the continent there have been studies of that and I I knew of this when here that they run a little article in wpo about this uh matter and it&#8217;s very interesting been different studies and and French voyagers who did much the same work as Lewis and clarkman have been found to need 7,000 calories a day about what we had this evening for dinner I even without a dessert 7,000 calories a day I uh a few years ago had one of the Corn Husker football players in my class Carlos Pop you may remember that name on those behemoths on the cornar football team and I asked Carlos do you mind if I call the uh athletic office to see how many calories you&#8217;re eating today no no go ahead so I called the diet for the huser football team and I said how many calories does uh Carlos Pop eat during the high of football season they said most of our players like Carlos eat about 6,000 calories a day almost the same as leis and Clark then but they were probably twice the size Carlos vat three times the size of many of the members of the Party 10 Hunters went out they came back with a single de where were the Buffalo that day where was the meat that that party needed to keep them going and not have this caloric uh deficit that Bob talked about well the Buffalo stand Supreme in the vision of the world as the emblem of the American West for all the world the Buffalo stands as the symbol of the American West and Louis and Clark loved buffalo meat above any other meat that they ate elk deer whatever they could get was always the Buffalo they desired particularly uh several savored parts where the the tongue the hump the liver the intest these were the things they liked and the reason they liked them was because they were the fattiest parts and they provided the most calories and that&#8217;s what the men were after Lewis and Clark began to see great herds of buffalo very early in the trip on June 30th 1805 near Great FS Clark wrote that he saw 10,000 buffalo in a single sence Joseph White House at another time said I can without exagger ation say that I saw more Buffalo feeding at one time than all the animals I&#8217;d ever seen before in my lifetime put together finally Clark said I&#8217;m not going to enumerate Buffalo anymore there&#8217;re just too many and I&#8217;m seeing them too all but then on the way back after we got in Buffalo country again he said one more time I want to mention the number of Buffalo 20,000 buffalo in a single s incredible number the numbers of the buffalo on the Great Planes have been estimated have been anywhere from 30 to million Buffalo by Louis and Clark&#8217;s time had already retreated from occupying the Eastern parts of the United States and we&#8217;re now pushed onto the great plane the Great grasslands of North America where they thrived and increased in number 70 million is probably much too high in estimate and because of modern studies we pushed that number back to a more realistic 30 million still an incredible number of be so where were the buffalo on April the 12th 1805 some historical anal excuse me some historical ecologists have done some studies using Lewis and Clark&#8217;s Journal Paul Martin and Christin zuder of the University of Arizona have moved through Lewis and Clark journals looking at bison references and they said the reason they didn&#8217;t see any animals that day was because Lewis and Clark were in a game scene that is a drop off of Bison numbers a game s and they said within a few weeks they would enter a game park that is high numbers of Buffalo why is it a game s well Lewis and Clark understood why it was a game s they answered these Scholars questions themselves because they said we have noticed within the hunting range of Indians the numbers of game animals fall off and they were within the range of the hunting of the Manan and hota Indians their host over the winter and they would see camps that they had established for hunting purposes along the Missouri and so they knew that they were still within that range within two weeks Lewis would write the country abounds in animals and when they reached the mouth of the Yellowstone River at the border between North Dakota and Montana LS said there are so many animals we have to push them aside together through they were now in a game Park well if one side of the equation the game SN is answered by the hunting territory of Native Americans nearby how do we answer the other side the game Park where there are lots of numbers Paul Martin and Christine Zer have an answer they say it&#8217;s not only a game Park it&#8217;s a war zone a buffer zone it&#8217;s a contested area where Native Americans struggle for occupation but do not have the singular strength to control the territory themselves in other words this contested hunting grounds in the area that LS and Clark were entered were contested by a number of very aggressive tribes the Mand the Hadas the asins the crow the AA the black feet the shony all encircling this vast Preserve of Buffalo and the Buffalo Thrive there because the tribes could move in as hunting parties hunt briefly and aggressively and then rush out before they were set upon by their competitors so Louis and Clark were seen they were in a game Park and they too noted this phenomena in the same way they noted the phenomena of the game s they said we have noticed in the areas where nations are Waring that the game numbers go up so LS can Clark the astute observers that they were for noticing these things that is taken us a couple of hundred years to figure out and they were doing it on the ground moving very quickly as they crossed through this region they finally uh reached the area of the Three Forks of the Missouri in Chicago WEA the native woman who was with them the Shoni Indian woman whose territory they had now entered said when I was a child there used to be lots of Buffalo here uh but in recent years before I left this area the numbers had gone down and she said we can&#8217;t find animals anymore why is that well competition again between the Shon and the black feet for that hunting area on the way back they cross through here again Clark and his party going over to the yellow Zone they passed through the game sink there at the base of the Rockies and then went back into the game park again moved up the Yellowstone through that region and then out again into a game sink near the Mandan and theat Indians so Paul Martin and Christine zuder were able to make some very important observations about a phenomena of the Buffalo range and behavior and extent and numbers based on the journals of Lewis and cl very wether Lewis was a natural he had a naturalist inclination from earliest life in the little biographical sketch that Jefferson wrote uh of Lewis he talked about how as a boy he loved to go out into the for forest in the wilds and and go on Excursion for himself and and there he would study nature he like Jefferson had an inclination towards the plant life of the world you know Jefferson just always was gathering plants and studying them and trying to learn about their medicinal purposes and their ceremonial and ritualistic purposes among Native Americans and and LS either had this himself or captured it uh from uh Jefferson and carried it with him on the trip Lewis was the primary naturalist on the trip of the 239 plants that we have from the Expedition everyone but a single plant seems to have been gathered by Lewis he was the one who observed the plants who recorded who wrote about them who preserved them and then carried them back to Philadelphia where 99% of the plants remain today on the way up to Fort Mandan Lewis was gathering plants along the Missouri River and then as they left Fort Manden in April of 1805 he sent a shipment of goods back and you probably know know about these crates that he boxed up and everyone knows the wonderful story of the little mag pie and prairie dog that made it all the way back to Washington DC to Jefferson&#8217;s Montello but there were other items in these shipment Indian artifacts the geologic specimen and the plant specimens 60 plants that he had gathered on the way up the Missouri River to Fort man there 30 of those plants are lost we have no idea what happened to them we know they existed at one time because Lewis besides sending the plants sent a list of the plants and then a receiving agent in Philadelphia checked off each plant certifying that he had the whole lot that Lewis had sent we don&#8217;t know what happened but I&#8217;m going to speculate a moment that these 30 plants that were lost were probably plants that were familiar to scientists in the East you see it&#8217;s not a random 30 that are missing it&#8217;s the first 30 plants the first plant that we have in the ls and Clark herbarium is number 31 gathered in Burke County Nebraska on the edge of a new zone of ecology a new environmental Zone that is the the uh High Plains of North America where these drought tolerant species first began to appear so the the scientists in the East were probably going through the plant and say oh yeah I know that one I collected it in Mississippi I know that one I collected in North Carolina you know so they knew about some of these plants that Lewis was collecting up the Missouri River as a matter of fact the terrain up to Sous city was very similar to the terrain they were seeing all along the way and it finally reached a point where the high plains entered and the drought tolerant species took over and these species who demanded more water just couldn&#8217;t function any longer and died out so the first 30 plants may have just been discarded as being familiar to scientists in the East so we only have that second 30 but that&#8217;s more important because these are from a new environmental Zone and scientists would be interested in those and they left Fort Manan and they April 1805 Lewis began his collecting and preserving again and as he went across the continent he&#8217;s Gathering plants and preserving them between sheets of paper that are carefully pressed together and then he decided rather than to chance them over the Rocky Mountains he buried them in a cash at Great Falls Montana and left them there to pick up on his way back when he came back and opened that cash water had seeped in and destroyed all those plants the plants that we have then are primarily those from the Rocky Mountains and Pacific Northwest that he had collected from that point on and the 30 plants from the brasket to North Dakota so the Great Plains is very much under represented in the collections of Ls and Clark what is the bulk of his plant collection are the plants from the Rocky Mountains in the Pacific Northwest but those are the most important because those are the ones that are unknown to scientists in the East and no those are the plants that they will want to see those plants today some 240 are mostly at the Academy of Sciences in Philadelphia Mark te a chemist in Syracuse New York has been studying this plant collection what Marti is interested in are the plants providing a snapshot of environmental conditions at the time of their Gathering their Collective he studies the plants in a way that they hold a memory of what were the environmental and climactic conditions at the time of the Gathering when I was studying the plants myself getting them ready for the herbarium the volume that&#8217;s out here I went to Philadelphia made notes on them and we took photographs of them and identified them by their scien popular names and I did all this work and finished up the volume and went away and uh worked on the book and then I came back a few years later to do some check up on it and when I pulled out the sheets that had the specimen I noticed little holes little missing parts of the plant you know about the size of a Florida Chad and so I went went to the uh Bist the curator in charge and I said what&#8217;s happened to the plants here he said well Mark te is working on them he cuts out these little Chad siiz pieces and takes them back to his lab to study they&#8217;re not damaging of the plants greatly because mostly it&#8217;s leaves that are under side not visible out of the way and it&#8217;s very very small of gatherings from these plants so I talked to Mar to try to discover what sort of researches he was bringing to the plant uh collection here and I&#8217;m going to try to describe it to you in layman&#8217;s terms uh I don&#8217;t understand it fully uh so you may not understand it as fully as I do but that&#8217;s all right we can understand it from a sort of a neutral position here now we all know about carbon 14 you know that way of dating um items because they have a half life that carbon deteriorates at a known rate over time and so you can take a piece of wood or any sort of organic matter and T and Trace its age with some degree of accuracy but now Mark te is looking at organic substances or inorganic substances rather on these leaves that do not deteriorate over time that are steady that are stable isotopes and he scrapes the waxy surface of these leaves and looks at the results under a mic scope and when these plants are gathered you have a Time Zero snapshot of what they were like what was the oxygen in the air what were the other sort of environmental and climactic conditions at the time it was get and so now Marti can gather other plants modern plants do the same study and get a sense of how environmental conditions have affected plant life over time now we all know that fertilizers atmospheric conditions uh Industrial Waste and all of these things have had impacts on plant life and that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s trying to determine uh some plants have thrived and grown and spread because of this others have deteriorated and retreated from their former zones of activity so Mar is studying all this and using the Lewis and Clark plans that were preserved during the expedition to discover answers to these questions about the environmental changes at this point he&#8217;s not done the further study he simply determined that this sort of study is possible with these plants and that speaks to the the care that Lewis gave in collecting these plants and also the care that they&#8217;ve been given over the years that they are so carefully and well preserved today well if Lewis was the naturalist Clark was the MC maker he was the Cartographer on the trip of the 129 historic maps that are associated with the Expedition almost everyone has some direct or indirect connection with William Clark Clark uh had a a group of maps with him to begin with maps that were not of his own making but maps that were gathered by Lewis before the Expedition the maps as a whole for fall into three sort of categories and the first category is these pre-expedition Maps the maps that were gathered by Lewis before the trip he was going all over Washington to the Spanish and the French and the Russian embassies and saying uh could I use maps that you have of the West when he got to St Louis he met people there uh bird Traders and government officials from Spain who would also give him some maps that they had of the western territory these were sort of the maps in the glove compartment you know that he can pull out to look at what was expected to be before and Clark as they set out the winter across the river from St Louis waiting uh to start up River Clark would recopy many of these maps and try to bring the ACC cumulative knowledge onto single sheet or two to know what was going to be before them as a matter of fact these pre-expedition maps that they were gathering also included some maps of a Welsh a Welshman who had gone up to Missouri as far as the Manan Indians and his maps of the Missouri were excellent Maps as a matter of fact Lewis and Clark were not really seen new territory up to the mands because John Thomas Evans and the others had been up this grout many times and some of the boatmen that they had hired in St Louis said ah I wintered here last winter near the nishnabotna river and I hunted a few weeks here next to the pla so they knew this River up to the manand so Louis and Clark were not really treading new territory they had Maps they had journals of previous explorers and Traders and then we have that second group of maps maps made by Clark on the Tria root maps daytoday maps that Clark worked out along the river and the third set of maps were post expeditionary Maps where Clark br brought together the pre-expedition maps his root Maps plus the information he had gathered from Natives and from traders who told him about the territory to the north or south of their Ro farther east or uh off their line of March and so he Incorporated this a vast store of knowledge and data that he had accumulated into a great map of the West the map that would eventually be published in the 1814 edition of their book by Nicholas Bid And so that became the great map of the West and as a matter of fact that map published in 1814 was not supplemented until the 1850s was not really uh taken over so it was a grand map of the west but what I really want to talk about are Clark&#8217;s grot maps The Daily Maps he made along the way now if we respect lewiis for his naturalist and scientific abilities his Gathering of plants his descriptions of animals his astronomical observations then we have to put this same sort of respect for PL for his untiring efforts to match every mile of the trip the amount of work involved is incredible what he seemed to be doing and there&#8217;s no statement about his methodology but what he seemed to be doing is What&#8217;s called the back asthma method that is Clark would be standing at a point looking up River and he would see a bend in the river or prominent feature a rock a tree something that stood out and he would mark his spot where am I standing here what is the feature here and then he would move to the point ahead turn around and take a compass breing and then in his mind he would have to turn that 180° and write that course on a line on his sheet about the direction he had traveled if he had traveled Northeast he would ride it in this way the surveyor&#8217;s way of running North 45° East and he would write that to a point a bend in the river and then he would say traveled three miles because he used dead reckoning to determine the distance what is dead reckoning geing that&#8217;s what he was doing he was guessing how far he had traveled but he was a dead reckoner per Excellence he could uh note distances if today you would take some of his maps in Montana where the rivers of weavings have not changed you can lay those down over modern maps and they fit perfectly he was a genus of doing it we don&#8217;t know where he gained this knowledge and this ability but he was certainly a master of it so across the continent then he would develop these map he usually had a sheet of paper on which he had laid out a gridline square and these were usually uh 1 in squares he had laid out on his sheet and then he he uh he had a gaug of the scale of what the distance would be and it was usually about 6 mil to an end so if he said we traveled 3 mil North 45° East then he would draw a line halfway across the grid and start all over again for the next three milth the next mile and a half the next 3/4 of a mile 8,000 miles across the continent and back day by day the table that he established these course and distance tables go on page after page after pain an incredible amount of work with his compass and with his dead reckoning and with his perseverance and patience to get that done I admired Clark greatly he was not only leading the party doing the maps trecking the Journal under the most difficult circumstances it&#8217;s only been lately that we&#8217;ve had biographies of Clark we had all the agulation to Lewis with the biography by uh Steven Ambrose and then the film by Kim burns put Lewis at the Forefront but Clark&#8217;s a man to be greatly admired for his work on the Expedition well when he returned to St Louis in Philadelphia uh he gave these maps to the president um some of the maps went back with that uh supply of goods from Fort Mandan I can just see Jefferson laying the map of the Missouri out on the floor of the Great Hall of monello and crawling across the floor and working his way up to Missouri uh he was enthralled with Clark&#8217;s mapping these Maps then that we have of the Missouri River and that&#8217;s what I want to focus on here from St Louis to Fort Mandan are about 1,500 River miles now we know there were about 29 maps for that period because Jeffer Jefferson himself said um I uh have 29 half sheets of maps of the party and this was what he had received from Fort mam most of those are lost to us today just like the 30 plants are lost to us just like some of the journals from the Expedition are lost to us as a matter of fact from St Lewis to about Omaha Nebraska we have no original Maps from the Expedition what we have from Omaha to Fort Manan are copies of Clark&#8217;s original Maps we don&#8217;t even have uh the original maps by Clark for that period either all of those maps of the Missouri River up to Fort mandam are lost to it and probably will be forever lost to us searches through the national archives or appropriate depositors have not yielded of those Maps so what do we have from Omaha to Fort Mandan we have a a set of copies of maps made for Prince Max milon and where would they be Jos Ln art mus no Nebraska that is our single and most important uh part in connection with the Louis and Clark expedition Prince Max Mayan arrived in uh the United States to do his Grand Tour and study of the ethnology and and boty and zoology of the American West and wri his Grand book and when he reached St Louis he visited William Clark and Clark said let me give you a set of maps uh going up the Missouri River but that set begins at Omaha I think it&#8217;s such a coincidence that his Maps began at Omaha and that&#8217;s the very place where all his archives now reside what a coincidence the first map is numbered 13 in other words supposing that 12 went before well why didn&#8217;t he have the first 12 copies probably because by the time of Max Milan the highway the River Highway coming up to Omaha was a thoroughfare was a Turnpike you didn&#8217;t need maps to get on the river and go and everything will be apparent Beyond Omaha In 1832 became the Wilderness the unknown country it was where the American Aman Fur Company now had fewer posts and less involvement so he was giving him maps of the true Wilderness that he would enter and those Maps then reach the number 29 so they&#8217;re copies of maps that Jefferson had seen at one time that Clark had until the 1830s that are lost to us today so it&#8217;s a real sad story that we don&#8217;t have Clark&#8217;s original but we&#8217;re happy that because of Max M and because of the efforts of Johnson Art Museum uh to get these materials and I&#8217;m sure all of you from Omaha and Council Bluff know that incredible Story how the artwork of U Carl bobber and The Archives of Prince maxan were making a a tour of the United States in 1962 and the uh inter North Art Foundation decided to buy those materials and deposit it on loan to Jon and when Northern Natural Gas Company became inter North and left Omaha uh they Beque after some negotiations those materials to the Jon Art Museum and there&#8217;s where they reside today and then you probably know the unhappy story maybe you had stock in that of and you know that it became inran yes that&#8217;s sad but luckily they left this incredible art collection there Jon of the bodmer and the even more incredible uh Max me papers and just as an aside tomorrow uh at noon J Art Museum will be sending the first volume of the newly edited Max Million journals to University of Oklahoma press to start the publication process so we will be getting the Max Million Diaries here within the next few years beginning with volume one uh that takes him uh out to New Harmony Indiana and we&#8217;ll be seeing the eastern part of maxman so in years to come you can look forward to Max Millions Journal I call him son of Lewis and Clark being published and again Omaha I can be proud of their connection with this world few years ago a man I met in Vancouver Washington Martin Ponda told me about his efforts to reconstruct the maps of Lewis and Clark and he showed me some examples of his work and I was amazed at the beauty and the detail and the craftsmanship that Martin had brought to that work after he completed it in all he had three volumes numbering hundreds of maps showing the rout of Louis and Clark across the continent I want to talk about his first volume the volume that covers from campwood Illinois cross from St Louis up to the manance that 1,500 River miles that Clark mapped in sheets Martin plont mapped in sheets five times the detail of Clark now in Martin&#8217;s Maps volume one two and three across the continent and back and up I have to tell you that Martin died just a few years ago but he had completed the third volume and the Press had sent him the results of the third volume just before he died so he he came out with this work he completed this work a magnificent work it is before he died when Martin pondan started to work on this lower part of the Missouri he faced a problem the problem that I&#8217;ve already told you about there are no maps by Clark from Camp Wood to Omaha and from Omaha to theand Dan we have secondary maps by Max mil could he trust those well he had to because that&#8217;s all he had available but how did he reconstruct the river of Le and flar where he had no maps on the lower Missouri below Omar he had Clark&#8217;s course and distance riding north 45° East three miles to send in the river and he simply used those figures and those descriptions to reconstruct the river of Lewis and Clark he said I think I&#8217;ve done about as well as humanly possible well he probably has and it&#8217;s probably not truly the river of Lewis and Clark we&#8217;ll never know the the river of Lewis and Clark because of erors that creep into it because of difficulties and field conditions doing the work that Clark was doing poor instruments uh difficult uh field circumstances all these things drove it to increasing problems Clark sometimes would go ahead do his back asthma treating and forget to change it 180 degrees in his mind and have himself going back for you get up to Sous City and all of a sudden he takes off for Minnesota we don&#8217;t know why but uh what Martin had to do was resolve the difficulties of these errors and he simply did the best he could uh and it&#8217;s a beautiful piece of work if you don&#8217;t have any of those volumes or haven&#8217;t seen them I encourage you to get a look at them or purchase them uh the river uh of Lewis and Clark and Lewis and Clark terminology on the maps is in bold black Print so it&#8217;s easy to view and in the background in fainter lettering are modern circumstances the modern course the Missouri uh Omaha the cities the county lines the uh the airports all these things are drawn in so you get a sent of where you are as you move up to Missouri and across the continent well Martin has been criticized for some of his work uh again all the difficulties that Clark had were brought over into the work that Martin plon had to do but still I believe it&#8217;s a magnificent work and it gives us something to begin with so there we have journalists Botanical speci Maps of the Lewis and Clark expedition actively being used today by scientists Scholars Enthusiast of the Expedition so the living legacies of Lewis and Clark live on and I think that we&#8217;re just beginning that there are things that will continue to interest people from all sorts of discipline to return to Lewis and Clark each generation takes up and Clark and brings their own insights and circumstances of their time we&#8217;ve been fortunate to live in the bicentennial era and have a flood of new studies come to us but we don&#8217;t know where the next generation will find interest and um answers to questions about the Expedition so I&#8217;m going to be laying low for the uh triennial I don&#8217;t that but uh maybe some of you will be here but there will certainly be some people out there and they&#8217;ll be working on the Lewis and Clark expedition also and they&#8217;ll bring other studies to magnificent uh group of materials we have thank you again for inviting me okay we have some a little time for questions there um we have these these three legs of of scholarship here and I&#8217;m curious of your opinion about in the future particularly somebody told me that the only thing we have can learn now about leou and Clark is going to come from Indian oral histories and Indian perspective of of this what what&#8217;s your view of that and and what do you see in the future is that I mean as oral history is historian these oral histories count uh what&#8217;s the value in the future well I&#8217;ve had that question up uh several times before as a historian it&#8217;s difficult for me to comment on because the oral tradition is something I have&#8217;t worked with uh historians like documents they like the written word and that&#8217;s we we know how to evaluate and discriminate with the written word we have contesting words contrast contesting testimony and so we&#8217;re used to dealing with this and evaluating it and investigating it and we see the difficulties there with the oral testimony we&#8217;re just not as comfortable with it uh I&#8217;m not comfortable with it partly because I I can say this document is in error this document has flaws or prejudices but I can&#8217;t say to someone your grandmother lied to you so we have to be sensitive to oral Traditions I am not discounting it entirely I&#8217;m just saying there are difficulties with critiquing it with putting it under the same sort of very close examination that we would documentary evidence I think one thing good about the B Centennial is those stories have come forward I think the B Centennial has been very rich in its uh design to try to tap into Native American stories and we&#8217;ve seen that happen in a number of places and they&#8217;ve been reported and I think that&#8217;s good I don&#8217;t know how they will be used but maybe different sorts of Scholars know how to handle those materials better than I do and I hope that we can gain more information from that aome please start I think we own you to some exent so I hope you&#8217;ll ex me I think we&#8217;re curious as to what your life is like these days what are you doing personally with those par well uh personally I&#8217;m working with the maxan project I&#8217;m advisor on that project son of Ls Park you know they uh they thought maybe there&#8217;s a few miles left in the old guy yet so I&#8217;m doing that and very interesed it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a a fascinating project and I&#8217;m sure that you will be interested in it too as it comes out and then F and I are doing some traveling um we&#8217;ve had uh some Lucky Chances to do lots of traveling during the B Contin I&#8217;ve got these wonderful invitations like this not only to come here but go to great places all along the Lewis and CLK Trail so we have vowed that in the future we will travel where no member of the Lou Park Expedition we&#8217;ve been to those places so we&#8217;re doing some traveling and uh just enjoying retirement thank you for asking are you thinking of of doing any I do have person writing I do have one other uh Louis and Clark book that I&#8217;m doing and uh I will be working on that next year I hope to finish that up and what it is it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a narrative of each day of the Expedition um you know I I did the full journals and then I did the a bridg journals so now what I want to do is a Louis and Clark day by day so each day of the trip I will write an entry telling what was happening with the expedition that day so you can either read the original journals or you can open that up and see in my words what was going on that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m working on there do you have any suggestions for out of the plat as a purposeful motivation for us to undertake well I&#8217;ll tell you you people have done so many different things that I&#8217;ve admired you know your ongoing studies these weekly things that Kira and other people like Bob have been engaged in and um certainly uh We&#8217;ve benefited from your help just uh giving us physical labor to the Lewis and Clark B Centennial commission I uh I pull up to some Lewis and Clark event I see all these people in blue t-shirts and I think it&#8217;s going to be okay you because we&#8217;ve got the help from MTH and the plat so uh the B Sentinal commission has certainly appreciated the volunteer efforts uh your enthusiasm for the commission events uh in Omaha Fort Atkinson PK and Braska City uh we certainly appreciate that so uh I would just say keep on keeping on and uh can I throw something in there commission we we just had a commission meeting last week and I got put on a committee to talk about doing an inventory of assets on the trail in Nebraska all a lot of the states are doing this now inventory of all the Wayside exhibits the historical signs the museum exhibits all this and there&#8217;s a lot of good information in things like Kira&#8217;s book and a lot of other books but uh there needs to be some some uh inventorying done and I&#8217;m on a committee um I&#8217;m going to talk with the park service and Suzanne and Dan and some other people here in the next couple weeks and I think out of that is going to come some some labor that is going to be needed in terms of inventorying uh sites along the the trail here so you might keep that in mind it was a project that uh might require some we&#8217;d asked for some assistance from the mouth of the class so dick do you think that&#8217; be a good uh about January we&#8217;re going to to plan this out okay all right we&#8217;ll talk about that yes sir uh you mentioned the contributions both of Lewis and Clark U have you in all your time with this come up with who you think is say one of the other members the most important to the uh for the Expedition I know everybody&#8217;s got a different well it it it is hard um you know if you would ask Lewis and Clark I think they would have to name two or three people and and pretty much in their summary of the members of the party afterwards uh if you read what they said about the different members uh you get a very quick sense of who was most important to them George Jer you know uh the two field Brothers of of course were very important Ruben and Jose field um those those those three people have to stand at the top and I know we we give lots of attention and lots of space to sagia and to York and I think they would represent um a portion of our own thinking in our own time and they&#8217; come forward because we are interested in a woman&#8217;s role an Indian woman&#8217;s role on the Expedition and we&#8217;re interested in a black man&#8217;s role on the Expedition because Clark had such problems after the Expedition with your so those two uh persons have come to the Forefront but immediately after the Expedition if you would ask leis or Clark they&#8217; have probably said shield centuri and the field Brothers um so I think those those three people would would be very important and and that&#8217;s not overlooking some of the sergeants like gas who um printed his own journal like John orway the top Sergeant on the Expedition but in terms of getting everyday things done that is getting the party where they needed to go and getting enough Provisions in to feed them feed them each day you know those those three individuals R time one more question and then we okay can can you tell us exactly how many copies of these journals there are there&#8217;s been a report that there&#8217;s some down in the Missouri historical society and then some back uh the philosophical just how many copies are there well anybody</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good afternoon everyone and welcome to the core of Discovery 2 in the tent of many voices this tent has been set up for us as an opportunity to learn from different individuals with different backgrounds different areas of expertise hear different sides of the Lewis and Clark Story and also to learn more about the people that Lewis and Clark met as they were heading Westward we are very fortunate to have with us today Amy mosset who is is Mandan Hada from the three affiliated tribes of North Dakota and today she will be giving a presentation on traditional gardening so if you would please help me welcome Amy mosset thank you thank you it&#8217;s nice to be here thanks for coming out it&#8217;s um the the weather is kind of intimidating out there but it&#8217;s nice once you get under the under this tent here it&#8217;s um cool it&#8217;s a lot cooler here than it is being out in a garden today even if you went out early this morning it would it would already be quite warm out there um 200 years ago Lewis and Clark um while they traveled across Montana but before they crossed Montana they spent a winter with us and they spent a winter with the Mandan and the hiza from October of 1804 through April 7th of 1805 when they left our villages and Lewis and Clark were not the first non-indian people to come into our Villages and this this is actually one of the villages that Lewis and Clark would have come into 200 years ago this is the village of aad and you see the Earth lodges that are standing here in this hiza Village this is in North Dakota north of present or north of bismar North Dakota I don&#8217;t know how many of you have ever been to Stanton North Dakota it&#8217;s um it&#8217;s it&#8217;s about six or seven miles up the river from where the Knife River would meet the Missouri river which is where about the spot where Lewis and Clark built Fort Mandan their winter quarters and the Mandan were living down um at the at the Confluence of the knife in the Missouri but up the river about 7 miles were three had odds of villages and they looked something like this from a distance this is there were uh close to 60 Earth lodges maybe over 60 Earth Lodges at a the reason I put this slide up on the screen this is the village that I&#8217;m descended from I can trace my hiza ancestry all the way back to aad and it&#8217;s also the village that sagaa lived in for about four years before she joined the Lewis and Clark expedition and when she was taken captive she ended up in this Village and then eventually was married to her French Canadian husband to S shano well of course uh sagaia and any other non-agricultural person who came into our Villages would discover that we were a little different than most of the Indians on the Northern Plains and that we farmed and the farming that we did was so extensive that it drew people from great distances because you know that living on the Northern Plains is pretty tough in whether that&#8217;s as Extreme as it is and in the winter time if there were no Buffalo herds nearby if the Buffalo calling ceremonies that we we usually had in December didn&#8217;t bring the Buffalo into the villages or if we had a a bad a drought season uh if we were not able to do the kind of hunting that we would that we would need to do to dry enough meat to store throughout the winter um life would be pretty tough but with the Mandan and the hiza villages in North Dakota and then also with the arika further on down in what is now South Dakota we had food we had an abundance of food enough food that in the years that we had a surplus we were able to trade this food and that&#8217;s what brought people from great distances first other tribal groups even our enemies would make peace with us at the end of the growing season late in the summer the Sue in particular the the the arikara were actually our our enemies 200 years ago and it took a very long time for us to ever befriend the arikara uh eventually when you when you look about the village and you you&#8217;re living in the Mandan or a hiza village and you look around and you see that you&#8217;re related to everybody in that Village either by Clan by a marriage or by an extended kinship system or through adoption and you realize you can&#8217;t marry anybody in your village anymore so you have to go down and perhaps you know marry somebody from the Mandan Village or as things got worse we ended up having to marry into the arikara tribe and I shouldn&#8217;t say that I shouldn&#8217;t make jokes about the ARA because my daughter is are Mandan hiza and Ara so um but anyway we were agricultural people and the the women did the gardening I think that&#8217;s the thing that the men are are most impressed about is that the women did the gardening in our Villages and people ask well what did you grow in your Gardens and I&#8217;m just going to run through all the different kinds of crops that we grew in our uh hiza and Mandan Villages the gardens were not located right within the villages the gardens would be located Outside The Villages not on the Prairie but on the river bottom and the Mandan have lived on the Missouri River for thousands of years and even 1,000 years ago the Mandan my Mandan ancestors were farming down in the southern part of South Dakota near the South Dakota Nebraska border and archaeological evidence indicates that we farmed to a great extent at the borders of South Dakota and Nebraska 1,000 years ago and so it&#8217;s a centuries old old tradition that we pass on from generation to generation from mother to daughter and it just continues into every single generation and we&#8217;re still doing that today the the women did the gardening and the Mandan according to what we&#8217;ve learned about our history is the Mandan had 13 different varieties of corn just corn alone and of course you know that you you have to keep corn separated you cannot plant it close to another plot of another another variety of corn and so we also had accordingly 13 different 13 different Clans within the hiza tribe A lot of times people are confused between Clans and tribes and bands and societies and and so on but all tribes are very different and then within tribes you have different bands of people you have different Clans within the tribes and the Mandan had about 13 different Clans the hiza also had about 13 different Clans and those Clans really Define who you are what you do the kind of corn that you plant every year who you can tease who you can marry um just it sets the rules and it sort of sets the stage for your whole life and how you live and the way you live is always determined by your mother&#8217;s Clan and so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s where you receive your identity and receive really identify who you are and what Clan and what tribe you belong to is through your mother through your father&#8217;s clan that is the clan you go back to the spirit world uh through when you die and so your father&#8217;s Clan is also very important because the afterlife is forever whereas this life is just temporary but we had 13 different varieties of corn and today we have still grown or we still grow quite a few of those varieties we had flour corn which is a a softer corn that you can grind and then we had sweet corn and then we also had a flint corn which is really a very hard corn this is blue flour corn which and and all of this is corn that that my daughters and my granddaughters and I have been growing over the years but we have blue flour corn yellow flour corn red flour corn Mandan sweet corn and then I have some gummy corn around here someplace but it&#8217;s probably down here in my burden basket my tupperware box um in addition to all the different varieties of corn that we planted we also planted beans squash Sun flowers and when we were able to we planted melons melons watermelons are really uh crops or seeds that we acquired from the arara so there were some positive things about the arara in that they were able to grow watermelon further down south and in when they were in South Dakota you can still grow melons in North Dakota if you have a real long growing season but just to give you an example uh last year in June we had a frost and I think it was about June 18th the temperature in Dickinson North Dakota was 25° and so we lost a lot of um June berries and some of the other berries we didn&#8217;t have any plums but we we also had a very cold August um and and in order to grow these crops you need to have long hot days and you know that on the Northern Plains we have light for a very long time it doesn&#8217;t get dark until about 10 10:30 but we also have really extreme heat very long days a lot of light and so because of that that we we are able to grow or we have been able to grow crops in a relatively short growing season The Way We Grow our crops um this is a Mandan Village here you can actually visit this replicated Mandan Village this is h a slant Mandan Village on the west side of the Missouri River just south of Mandan North Dakota and my Mandan ancestry is U goes back to the west side to the newa tandan Villages this is my garden that that&#8217;s growing right now west of New Town North Dakota and you can see how it&#8217;s growing in nice neat RADS well 200 years ago when or even 500 years ago the gardens weren&#8217;t planted in nice neat tilled Rose The Gardens were planted as as soon as spring arrived and we know that all winter long the women who would be going out there to Garden were probably very um they they probably held very prominent positions in one of the women&#8217;s societies and we had you know I mentioned Clans and then bands and and societies within tribes there are societies that are um specific to different activities and societies are they&#8217;re very similar to societies that we have today they really regulate a lot of the social and the ceremonial and political organization of the tribe and one of the most important societies that we had was the goose woman Society and it&#8217;s it was a garden society and the goose woman Society was comprised of women who were in their childbearing years and of course that makes sense because women in their childbearing years are fruitful and they&#8217;re productive and they are the women who are in who are uh charged with this um this task of going out and harvesting and or and planting and and nurturing this this crop these these you know acres and Acres of crops All Summer Long singing the ceremonial songs engaging in the kinds of prayers and the ceremonies that are associated with traditional gardening now not everybody belonged to the goose woman Society you had to purchase your way into that society and my and and I think it it makes sense that the women who belonged to the goose woman Society or to any of the women&#8217;s Society were were Daughters of very prominent families and and prominent families were Pro were those families that possessed and and uh were the keepers of very important medicine bundles and there are medicine bundles of course that are associated with Gardens and so the goose women society would engage in all of these activities throughout the years now there are and I&#8217;m sure that that women are of course curious about what happens when you&#8217;re beyond your childbearing years then what Society do you belong to then well the women who were beyond their childbearing years W moved into or sort of graduated into the ne to probably the most important women&#8217;s society and that was the White Buffalo C Society for the years and that was a society comprised of the wisest women the teachers the keepers of the tradition the women who taught and who advised all of the younger women of the village and so the older you were the more important you became in our culture now with the with our Gardens um you see that it looks it it looks like there&#8217;s weeds growing in that Garden um because you the there is all this stuff around the bottom of the Corn stock those are beans and corn was planted the very first thing we planted in in the beginning of the year of course was sunflowers and I&#8217;ll show you some images of my sunflower plants but this is the way we planted this corn um in not in row but in Hills and this is this corn is not actually planted in Hills like it was long ago you know hundreds of years ago the at in the beginning of the spring or let&#8217;s say in the fall the men would help with the women they would go down into the the river bottoms and they would chop down some of the trees and they would let them fall onto the ground and the pieces of that tree that could be used for firewood or that could be cut for firewood would be taken back to the Village but the rest of the tree was left laying there on the ground to dry out and by Spring they would come back and they would pull all of the the organic matter all of the grass and the weeds and the stubble out of the ground and then they would leave it laying on the ground and then they would burn it all and of course those of you who are farming the land know that when you burn any organic matter and it is absorbed into the ground it softens the ground and it nourishes the ground and so that was the whole purpose of not dragging this organic matter off the garden site then the the sunflowers were planted the very earliest they were the as soon as the the water on the Missouri River started to bre break up and thaw and the geese were flying back from the south that was those were the signs those were the signs out in the environment that it was time to put in the sunflowers and those sunflowers would then be planted the very first crop they were the last crop to be harvested in the late in the fall now the corn would be planted in late May or early June and sometimes again if a frost came in early in June or late in May after the corn had come up we would just go back out and plant more seed which of course is why it was so important that when we gathered seed at the end of the year and saved it you always saved enough seed every single year for several more plantings because the following year if the insects or a drought or a hail storm came in and wiped out your whole Harvest you couldn&#8217;t be sitting there without seed so you&#8217;d have to have enough seed for at least a couple more years of planting now why is this corn planted in with the beans around it well the women of of The Villages knew that there was this symbiotic relationship between corn and beans and when you plant corn and beans together you kind of have a mess oh that&#8217;s a sunflower when you plant corn and beans together well let&#8217;s just go back and talk about the sunflowers for a second since I have them on here this is our sunflower notice it doesn&#8217;t have that one single tall long stock this is the our sunflowers grew with multiple flowering heads and in one of one of my sunflowers from last year I counted uh 41 41 flowers or 41 heads on the sunflower but only the top ones were about 6 in across and of course the very largest very the very first sunflower that that grew and and got the largest that was my seed for the next year but um the the the largest uh head you know it would it could have been up to 11 in across but for the most part they weren&#8217;t much bigger than 8 in across and the very top one would be this big and then as you go down the whole um plant they get smaller and smaller but with the one of the sunflowers that I planted last year I had 41 um flowering seeds on there or seed heads with the sunflowers they&#8217;re real sticky and these sunflower plants get very tall and what you do with sunflowers you is you plant them around the edge of the garden and I planted all of mine on the north side of the garden so that they wouldn&#8217;t shade any really shade any more of my garden but the other thing that these sunflowers do because they are real sticky and and they have real rough you know rough stems they sort of keep they help to keep your corn from cross-pollinating and when these sunflowers get to be about 13 ft high they make a very good barrier in between Gardens they also help to keep your Gardens separate so you never have to get into an argument with your sister-in-law about Whose Garden you&#8217;re working in because you have this long row of sunflowers that sort of borders your garden and separates you from your sister-in-law and you might have lots of sister-in-laws depending on how many brothers you have um and you just don&#8217;t want to get into any hassles with your sister-in-law okay this is just a little bit closer image you can see all the way down the stem how the sunflower is flowering and of course this is the the flower at the top of the sunflower and it&#8217;s not very big but the you see all the leaves and the the foilage and everything is is quite extensive on the sunflower this is um the I just put a pen in here so you could kind of get an idea of the size of my sunflower and then of course that is um I I sprouted the plants and long ago the women would just take a piece of hide and and damp it and put the sunflowers in the hive and let it let them Sprout and soften up the seed before they put them into the ground um I let mine Sprout quite a lot before I put them in the ground um not because they need it to sprout a lot but because I really travel a lot and I&#8217;m not home as much as I should be these are the beans these are aara beans oh here I am growing aara beans I can&#8217;t believe it but um I was I was I was working with an elder uh of my an elder relative of mine and she for the longest time just insisted that these are not they these are not arikara beans these are Mandan beans but um you know I think a lot of times depending on who these seeds were collected from um there would always be an interpretation of whether they were Mandan or hiza or arika but you know I would I would say that since I&#8217;ve been planting these things for quite a few years by now they got to be Mandan beans so or hia beans beans at least but um this is what the the bean plant looks like and this is what the bean plant looks like when it&#8217;s growing up and remember I said there was a symbiotic relationship between corn and beans as the plant grows the beans these Beans really need something to cling to um yeah maybe they are Rara they&#8217;re um they&#8217;re they are they just twine around that corn and they are just stuck there um you&#8217;re stuck with that bean plant all the way through Harvest but uh but but these plants need each other you know this is Mandan blue flower corn growing and the beans that are growing on this plant actually are shield beans and these Shield beans these are my favorite beans they&#8217;re so pretty and they&#8217;re white they&#8217;re white and they&#8217;re they&#8217;re big white plump beans and they have um kind of a red uh shield on them and they&#8217;re called Shield beans but you can come up and take a look at this stuff when my program is through here and um corn and beans there&#8217;s a there&#8217;s the symbiotic relationship because you know that corn does not have a very extensive root system and beans do um this is corn before I healed it and you can see that if a if a strong wind came along it would just knock this corn right over but when you have a bean plant growing at the base of that corn and and the bean plant has a real extensive root system and it also because it&#8217;s a legum it nourishes the soil and so the root of the of the Bean nourishes the root of the Corn and helps it to grow better the corn stock provides um a climbing device for the Bean to grow on because if you let one of these beans grow by itself and I did this last year and you have these long stringers and Runners just looking for something to cling on to and you just you just almost feel sorry for that poor little bean plant because it&#8217;s just out there looking for something to climb on and so the cornstock provides that that climbing device for the bean and then the corn also provides shade for the bean plant and corn that grows in shade grows better than I mean beans that grow in shade grow a lot better and produce more quickly than beans that are growing right directly in the Sun and so you know the women and this I think this is amazing that the women knew that there was this relationship between these plants and that&#8217;s the way they planted them the only downside to all of this is that when you go to harvest this in the fall it is just an absolute mess that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a good thing to have many daughters and many granddaughters this is uh one of my um favorite plants this is red flower corn Mandan red flower corn and this is what&#8217;s growing out in my traditional Garden West of new town and again we would put the we would put the corn in in late may very late May and early June and again if we were able to if we had a frost all the way into the middle of June we still might be able to put some corn in and hope that that we didn&#8217;t have an early Frost um at the base of these beans I think we have um arikara beans growing and you can see the stocks on that corn the stock on the corn is actually red also it&#8217;s not all green uh this is a close-up of my red flower corn I love red flower corn because it&#8217;s just so red the whole the whole stock and when you pull the husk or when you pull the corn off the um stock in the fall the outside of the husk is all red and you can make all kinds of beautiful things with that red with that red corn husk this is the top of the the the tassel or the top of the Corn and that too is red it&#8217;s very pretty it&#8217;s or burgundy I guess it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a very pretty color this is a a Rara sunflower all or an aara melon all by itself out there in the garden we only planted three of them and it was just so difficult for us to um to to get these arura seeds sprouted and my arikara seeds would Sprout and this year I even put them in little pots and they came out of the pot and I was so pleased and I was crossing my fingers and then I left for a few days and came home and those arar Rob plants were just laying there just dead and I couldn&#8217;t figure out what happened to them and and my daughter Nicole looked at me and she said well Mom you know you really are not a riara and I said yeah I know and I I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m not AA that my ARA melons absolutely refuse to grow I think it&#8217;s just because of all those terrible ARA jokes I&#8217;m telling constantly the squash was planted at the very end of the garden because these plants take up so much space and um they they just the the leaves just grow all over and and with the squash plants um I&#8217;ll talk a little bit well I&#8217;ll talk about it now we dried everything when we harvested our crops everything was dried there was no Refrigeration no ice no canning everything was dried the beans were dried um with the beans we didn&#8217;t pull them off individually you could just go into the garden and sort of thrash the beans and they&#8217;ll just pop right out of these pods the squashes and and I have a few pictures of some some squash flowers or you can hardly see these these are my squash seeds that I sprouted and then put into the garden and then here we have squash growing and up in the corner there you can see that little green and white and that was the first of one of my squashes that I grew last year and then of course the Squash Blossom plants now not only did we eat the squash we also ate the flowers and we have recipes for all of this stuff and and with squashes we would eat them fresh as soon as we harvested them but also we would we would dry them and we would cut the squashes in slices about almost an inch thick and and and imagine how difficult this would be for the women because we had different kinds of squash some of that squash had real soft um the the outer you know the outer part of the squash is real soft and some of it is really hard and as you&#8217;re cutting it it just sort of cracks while you&#8217;re cutting it and imagine trying to cut that stuff with a flint knife you know we didn&#8217;t we didn&#8217;t have knives until the Europeans came into the villages and introduced um introduce metal and the men the men just loved metal but the women you know the women used used well we we eventually began to use metal knives and metal OLS and metal hose and those kinds of things but before we had metal all of our tools were made W made out of everything that we could take from our environment our hose for the garden were made from a Blacktail deer ant I mean antlers and then of course you&#8217;d put a ash wood digging stick or an Ashwood um handle on this because Ashwood is very hard and you could um and and it&#8217;s very durable it would last for a long time and um that Ashwood would get real it would get real smooth but it would would also be very um very sturdy we also use the shoulder blade of a buffalo and of course this is not a shoulder blade from a buffalo but this is a little shoulder blade um and we would attach a um an ash an ash stick here and use raw hide or senu to wrap it real tight and then you&#8217;d have just a perfect hole you know to to go and work in the garden you know I mean we had to do something before Martha Stewart had her TV series and so we had many many things that we were able to use in addition to our our Blacktail antler rakes we also had Willow rakes and we would make rakes out of Willow and and so we had tools our digging sticks we did not have holes we did not have tillers we had digging sticks and the digging sticks were also made from Ashwood and we really Shar the end of it and then burn the end and then that digging stick was perfect it lasted throughout the Summer with the digging sticks you know again I said we didn&#8217;t we didn&#8217;t till these long roads you went out and you dug a hole you dug one Mound and you would you would you would plant in Hills and you would plant your corn and beans in that one Hill you didn&#8217;t dig anything up in between but you&#8217;d move four feet over and then you dig up another hole chop up the dirt where it was nice and soft and then You&#8217; put another um few corn kernel of corn and beans in there and then you&#8217;d move down another 4T and then you know dig another Hill and so everything was done in Hills and we didn&#8217;t really mess around with the area in between the hills except to take out the weeds and and then and keep it clean with um my garden that I that I grew up in New Town um my rows are 4 feet apart the the all of the Corn that I planted is about 2 ft apart and so um it&#8217;s and and the beans are planted in really not actually in the same Hill but my beans are planted in between the two corns and so as they grow they&#8217;re going to attach onto One stock or the other and so that&#8217;s kind of how my my garden is growing right now with um oh with these um sun with the with the um squash flowers we would take the little green stem off the bottom and flat them out and dry them so that in the winter time you could have fresh squash flowers in your soup or in the in the recipe that we had or else we would we would cook them immediately and they were pretty tasty here again is another squash um squash U Blossom and the the name for this you know I&#8217;m not really sure I guess you can call it a Squash Blossom or a pumpkin flower or a squash flower but in hiza the name for that yellow flower is gagui nagab that&#8217;s in your test when we finish this is um everyone has to spell that correctly gagui nagab here&#8217;s another squash plant um I&#8217;ll this is my last slide here and I&#8217;ll leave it I&#8217;ll leave it there with um with the gardening gardening is a really important part of our uh has always been a very important part of our culture and people often wonder like where do Indians get their names and Indian names traditional names I I guess you could call them come from medicine bundles and so you can imagine in our culture how many medicine bundles were in our Mandan and hiza culture that were associated with gardening if you come into our Villages you will never find anybody with a name that&#8217;s that has anything to do with salmon we don&#8217;t have too many names um that have anything to do with elk or we we don&#8217;t have a lot of names that are named after shells because those are really not things that are in our environment but we have we have many names that are associated with gardening we have many names we have um names with like corn silk and and um names that are associated with the squashes and many names that that come from gardening and and that&#8217;s still a very important part of our culture today this is actually my name in my hiza name and in Mandan my relatives would would call this and again in hiza it&#8217;s gagi nagab or gagi nagab and so my name when I was given this name I was given the traditional name of gaki nagab bish and the the reason I say it in hiza is that the clan relative of mine who gave me the name um was hiza and she was a member of the hiza clan and the hiza clan that I belong to is also the hiza clan that was um that this Village at the beginning here this um the the village of aad on the South Bank of The Knife River was a village comprised mostly of Mandan or hia people who belonged to a clan called the Mida day and just one little interesting note Clans had sort of subdivisions and there was a subdivision of this of the of this hiza clan the midi and that subdivision was called Iuka and I&#8217;ve just learned through my studies that saga&#8217;s son belonged to the Iuka Clan and I I find that really interesting because we don&#8217;t really know for certain which clan sagaia belong to but we can sort of speculate that perhaps the clan she was adopted into was Iuka because when her son was born he would automatically be a member of that plan and so with um the only thing I wanted the last thing I really would like to say about traditional gardening you know is is to talk about why you know why do we still do this we can we can go to the store and buy a bag of beans or a can of corn um but you know you can and and you can go to to flea markets or to farmers markets and you can get corn you know like colored corn but I think it&#8217;s really important for us to keep all of these different varieties of corn pure and to reestablish a seed bank which is specifically seed grown by Mandan hiza and women agriculturalists horticulturalists gardeners and it&#8217;s important because that was really part of our culture it really defined who we were and every time I think about you traditional gardening and or not well gardening any kind of gardening and what it meant to the to the survival of our Villages it was so significant it was so important it&#8217;s really what brought people into the Knife River Indian Villages trade area because the women&#8217;s work produced enough of a surplus of an item that was used for trade and before the Mandan moved into this part of the country and brought all of their corn um culture the hiza traded uh Flint Knife River flint and that was the main item of trade but once the Mandan came into the Northern Plains then the hiza adopted that that part of their culture and really the two cultures started to Mel um to the point where today there&#8217;s really no no distinguishing between Mandan and hiza except in name only but it&#8217;s also very important because it&#8217;s it&#8217;s part of our culture and and no matter what culture you are whether it&#8217;s Norwegian or German or you know Chinese or or shinuk or or nees Pur it&#8217;s always really important I think for all of us to teach our children as much about our culture as we can the other thing about gardening is that um for young people I I think every single Community should have a gardening club for children and the reason for that is that when you when a child when a young person plants in the earth if you talk to a lot of young children and ask them where does celery come from or where does a potato come from you know a lot of young people do not know where potatoes come from and so when you when you take children out and have them plant one plant a tomato plant and they see this little white flower growing on that tomato plant and then all of a sudden there&#8217;s this little green ball on that plant and then before you know it it turns kind of red and it gets bigger and bigger and then you can take that tomato off that plant you can eat it you can make it into all kinds of different things and this child will all of a sudden have a whole new kind of respect for the Earth and for every living thing that comes out of the earth and I really do think that people who till the soil and people people who plant who people who plant flowers people who plant trees people who plant food and people who use the Earth in a real respectful way and teach that to children just have a whole different kind of respect for all living things and I think that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so important for us to carry on these kinds of traditions because our children today all of our children I I say that about my own children my grandchildren really need to learn lessons in respect and I think gardening is one of the ways that we can teach that without you know lecturing and pounding all these things and plus it also helps to sort of um it it helps to sort of uh lessen your burden because if you can take a bunch of kids out into the garden and have them help you to pull weeds around 194 corn plants it&#8217;ll really shorten your day and and uh it&#8217;s a lot of hard work but I think it&#8217;s all really worth it and and I love gardening and my daughters all garden with me my my daughters all have um traditional names that are associated also with with growing with food that grows off the the Earth my oldest daughter&#8217;s name is midua Mau which in hiza is Cedar berries my second daughter who is 19 years old um is her traditional name is um Mau debash which is juneberries and my youngest daughter who is 17 is Young turtle and her name is madaki my granddaughter who&#8217;s here with me also has a traditional hiza name and her name is um AR SIDS and her name our our names were had all belonged to somebody in the past my oldest daughter has her own very original name which was given to her and my granddaughter has her own original name that did not ever belong to anybody else and her name in hiza again is arug SIDS and in English her name means good Garden um I&#8217;m uh have uh time to answer a few questions if you would like to ask me anything you would like and we have a mic here so everybody can hear the question I have two I have two questions the first one&#8217;s easy uh the second one if you don&#8217;t want to share I understand uh the first one is do you use traditional Tools in your garden or do you use stuff you buy at the hardware store I use traditional tools when I do my programs and I use the most modern conveniences I can when I&#8217;m in the garden the other one if you&#8217;re free to share um how does your creation story line up with your gardening culture we have um we have a few different creation stories and you know I&#8217;m I&#8217;m I I think I can even tell you some creation stories here because you know we have a certain time of the year when we can tell creation stories here in my my medicine bag um we have uh you know different all tribes have creation stories and you know I can tell you the story because it&#8217;s right at the beginning of this book if you wanted to learn more about traditional gardening this is a a hia it&#8217;s a book about life with a hiza woman it&#8217;s called buffalo bird woman&#8217;s Garden mahish is her name and at the very beginning she talks about the hiza creation story and in that creation story it actually and in in the hiza creation the hiza believed that we lived under the Earth and um in eastern North Dakota near Devil&#8217;s Lake or what is now called Devil&#8217;s Lake North Dakota and there was um there was a Vine and and the people Came Upon This Vine and it went up into the sky and so they climbed the vine and here they came out and this they came out onto the Earth and there was a one woman who was Heavy with child she was expecting you know she was very large um and expecting her child and they when they sent her up the vine the vine broke and so the vine was gone and everybody hadn&#8217;t come out of the earth yet and so there&#8217;s the belief that many of our hiad or relatives are still living under the Earth near the Devil&#8217;s Lake in it&#8217;s not Devil&#8217;s Lake it&#8217;s Spirit Lake in um or East Central North Dakota and then with the Mandan creation story it&#8217;s a very similar story We There are several variations depending on which side of the river you&#8217;re on but according to the Mandan story um it&#8217;s believed that we came out of the water also and um at the center of the universe and so there&#8217;s kind of some um difference of opinion on where we actually came out of the Earth to the center of the universe because a lot of U people believe that our culture or that the mandam agricultural people actually migrated up the Miss Mississippi and Missouri River and they have been somehow connected to the cahokian um mound builders culture um I&#8217;m just wondering how if you or how you can obtain some of the corn seeds if you want to try some in your own garden how do you obtain the corn seeds there&#8217;s a there&#8217;s a a place in Ames Iowa that um I think has really taken over a lot of the Oscar will seeds Oscar will was a Pioneer in in in gardening and in seed collecting espec you know particularly the seeds from the Mandan hiad and arura and he was in North Dakota for many many years and I think that the ases uh Seed Company in or that that Seed Company in ases Iowa has a lot of the Mandan hiad and a raras seed there&#8217;s also on the internet you can check into Seed Savers and you can you can find uh corn seed and a lot of different kinds of seed um through through the internet the internet you know you can find anything on eBay I hear um but uh Seed Savers has uh corn seed we are packaging our seed and after this year&#8217;s Harvest we do hope that we will have enough seed and that the corn will be good enough that we&#8217;ll be able to package it and we do have a signature event and the whole Lewis and Clark Bicentennial coming back through North Dakota and 2006 and we do have our signature event in 2006 and so we will be selling um our corn seed during that time and then probably on the internet in in the future do we have any okay back here do you do any irrigating how do you keep the water to the plants um my garden in in New Town North Dakota is planted right in my yard so I have my my oldest daughter lives at my house in New Town um in in this Garden here out at this this is actually a land lab this is there&#8217;s a huge land lab west of Newtown North Dakota and Fort berl Community College is a four-year college and at this college the the whole well what it it&#8217;s the mission of all tribal colleges to to strengthen and perpetuate the history and culture of the people of that particular college and our college has really taken on um a huge role in uh perpetuating and strengthening the whole agricultural um culture of our tribe the traditional agriculture of our tribe and so we have a huge agricultural division at our tribal College uh they they go around to different parts of the whole reservation they actually till plots throughout the reservation and then this land lab the whole um surrounding area of our garden is tilled uh weekly it kept really uh clear of uh weeds and in between it&#8217;s tilled and they actually um uh dug a well and they have water piped all the way over here so thank goodness you know we don&#8217;t have to go hauling water with any water vessels or Buffalo stomachs or anything like that you know we just grab the garden holes and sometimes they even water it for us if we&#8217;re on extended travel are there any stories or Traditions related to the Walling about of the different plots by the sunflowers as they create that barrier are there stories that go with those walls I mean we have Paradise Gardens and Paradise really means wall and it&#8217;s original what are there any stories that go with the wall with separation with sunflowers the only stories I know with the the separation of the sunflowers is that you just don&#8217;t want to get into a hassle with your sister-in-law um no you know the the walls it it just makes sense there I I don&#8217;t know any stories there are a lot of stories there are songs there are prayers all associated with gardening and uh I I didn&#8217;t mention this but in in 18 I mean in in 1912 through about 1915 I think there was a oh I&#8217;m not sure if she was um ethnomusicologist or something like this Francis denmore came out to the Northern Plains and and she was Commissioned I think by the Smithsonian or it was an Eastern Museum she was commissioned to come out there and record tonu Warrior songs and different songs on those wax cylinders and so while she came out to the Northern Plains on the train the State Historical Society of North Dakota commissioned her to record Mandan and hiza songs and she recorded Mandan and hiza songs from The Men Who sang War war songs trapping songs all of these magnificent songs and she also recorded my great great great grandmother um otter woman who was singing Garden songs and it was just it&#8217;s it&#8217;s extraordinary because a friend of mine in makoche recording in bismar had some of the recordings and I had I had I people have sent me some of the recordings in the mail and I was and and I could you can listen to the recordings they&#8217;re on tape they&#8217;re on a cassette tape now they&#8217;ve T they took took them from the wax cylinders and put them onto reels they put them onto the reels at the wrong speed or from the reels to the cassettes they were done in at the wrong speed and so those songs that that people thought were men singing were actually women singing some Garden songs and so in the last couple of years they&#8217;ve kind of um they speeded up or adjusted the speed and re-recorded them onto a cassettes and CDs and so we can actually reorder all of these songs now that were sung by our ancestors but to be able to sit in a Sound Studio where you have this magnificent sound and he had all the technology to clean up the pounding and the scratching that was on the original wax cylinders but to sit there and listen to my great great great grandmother singing Garden songs was just the most extraordinary experience of my whole gardening career and so um that it it&#8217;s pretty special and there are lots of stories and there are sacred stories that are associated with gardening and there are prayers and songs and um just so much information out there that we&#8217;re trying to sort of pass on down to the kids when they listen uh did you raise blue corn I got some from gurnie one year do we yes we did um blue potatoes blue potatoes I have never I have never planted blue potatoes I I was just trying to think if I ever planted potatoes but I&#8217;m not sure you you can&#8217;t drop that on the cor you have to pick up all the little shells that fell on the ground now um I&#8217;ve never planted blue potatoes I just I rarely planted white potatoes I&#8217;ve you know most of that stuff that&#8217;s really not traditional I I don&#8217;t plant I and it&#8217;s because just because it&#8217;s so much work just to plant all of this and and take care of it and you know it&#8217;s it&#8217;s tough to do that in between um other jobs and so this to me is just so important to to get this stuff planted and then of course with the fort Berle Community College what we&#8217;re doing is we are trying to reestablish a seed bank there there&#8217;s a lot of seed there on the reservation but people can&#8217;t tell you where they got the seed or when it was planted or who planted it and with a lot of this corn I can trace this corn all the way back to who planted the Original Seed and I think that&#8217;s very important to do that and to catalog that so you know where all of this is coming from and you you know the history of it we have time for one last question Monsanto seed company just created a thing called The Terminator Gene and within 5 days after 911 they bought up 56 seed companies which means that all our seeds are now either hybrid are owned by one company which owns a gene to terminate that seed after one production so what you&#8217;re doing is extremely vitally important to our survival we have to keep the genetic seed being produced being held in it in fact we went into the hopy land and into the Navajo land to find pure seed it it rarely exists anymore except held by the native tribes so my question is how do you keep it from Crossing how do you keep one line pure of corn from Crossing with the other line we we we plant one variety of corn in each of our Gardens and the traditional garden plot out at uh west of new town at the the land lab is completely separated by a great distance and a and a huge Grove of trees from the other garden and every year we plant one variety of corn and and I do have an I I have an older sister and three brothers and they all are they&#8217;re actually better gardeners than I am except for my older sister she&#8217;s always planting her corn too close together and and I was telling her to um you know don&#8217;t plant your corn close together it&#8217;s going to cross and she said well yeah but when it grows it&#8217;s so pretty and I&#8217;m telling her but your Mandan and hiza and having pretty corn is not the point what you&#8217;re trying to do is maintain the Integrity of one variety of seed uh and corn and so hopefully she&#8217;s she&#8217;s um you know planting her corn but we do plant only one variety of corn in one location which is so far away from any other corn that there&#8217;s no chance of it Crossing well thank you so very much for being here this afternoon thank you very much once again Amy mset we appreciate e a right on oh w for sh what h you</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of the National Park Service and our cooperating federal agencies, I would like to welcome you to the Core of Discovery 2. This traveling exhibit is making its way across the United States following the route taken by Louiswis and Clark 200 years ago. Our core of Discovery 2 has an exhibit tent next door that tells the story of Louiswis and Clark and their expedition. We also have other exhibits set up, including a child-sized version of Louiswis and Clark&#8217;s keelboat and a Plains Indian tepee, so you can get a sense of life on the expedition and at least a glimpse into the lives of some of the people Louiswis and Clark met as they went along. But the centerpiece of our core</p>
<p>of discovery 2 is the 10 to many voices where you are now seated. The ten of many voices is a place for films, programs, presentations, and activities that take a look at the many facets of the stories of Louiswis and Clark and the stories of the people that they met. Our next presenter here in the tend to many voices, Keith Bearer, comes to us today from North Dakota and he&#8217;s going to share some stories and he&#8217;s going to share some music with you. So, join me in welcoming Keith Bear as he adds his voice to the tent of many voices. Ah, okay. You guys</p>
<p>understand? Couldn&#8217;t talk. Hello. Okay. Most of you speak English. All</p>
<p>right. But in the Mandan language, the language of my mother&#8217;s people, my name is O Mashir. O Mashirutah translates to the bright light that waves in the north sky. In English, my name is Northern Lights. And as you know, Northern Lights is only a reflection. So, as you see me</p>
<p>standing here today, I&#8217;m a reflection of my family, my clans, my tribes, our people of the history. And when I go overseas, I&#8217;m a reflection of you also. Because many people say that because I&#8217;m born with this skin, they call me a Native American. But my grandfather long ago when I was about the age of these young men here, he told me that if you&#8217;re born here like the grass and you&#8217;re born here like the trees and the buffalo. If you&#8217;re born here like the buff the bird and the the uh eagles. If you&#8217;re born in</p>
<p>this land, then you&#8217;re native here. So I ask you, my friends, where were you born? If you were born here in this land, you are as much a Native American as I am. It&#8217;s not the color of our skin. It&#8217;s a birthright and something we should be proud of because long ago there was a dream that came true. They</p>
<p>said from under the sun will come a log and on that log pushed by a cloud. There will be new beings. And one day from the east came this little wooden ship with a full sail. And when those people came ashore, they had two legs like we did and two arms and two eyes. They had a different language. And we raised our</p>
<p>hands to greet them as I greeted you. But they saw someone who looked different and dressed different. And so they chased them away with their sticks of fire and thunder. But it was one of our warriors that came together when these two people were going to argue and fight and destroy each other. One of our best warriors stepped forward and said, &#8220;This is not the way of our people. This</p>
<p>is not what we were taught. This is not how you showed me to live.&#8221; She spoke to her father, her grandfather. And that warrior, maybe you saw her movie Pocahontas, a young woman. You see, to be a warrior is not to go out and to hurt somebody, to conquer somebody. To be a warriors like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. You go out in the community and</p>
<p>the National Guard. You go out in the community and you help those who can&#8217;t help themselves. You help the elders to have no young ones. And you help the women who have no man. You help those children, all everybody to learn. And</p>
<p>then when we face the enemy, we put our life on the line. Some of these young men that are here, the post that we sit upon today, maybe some of your family stand under our flag today. I have two sons have returned. And I have one who is in there now and a second one who&#8217;s in there now training. All going to be 82nd Airborne. And so we&#8217;re very proud</p>
<p>of these young men, these young women who offer their lives for us, the people. Those are warriors. And so every morning at home, I&#8217;m taught that we should give thanks for this new day. Some people say you&#8217;re not supposed to go around and and pray. But to be a warrior, you always need help. You need</p>
<p>guidance. And you may not have your mother and your father. You may not have your brother and your sister. Sometimes you have to look within yourself. And you close your eyes. You turn your heart</p>
<p>to the heavens above. And so we offer those morning words. And so on the prairie where I live in North Dakota, we have a beautiful bird called the metoarch. And we say that when we hear the metoarch, he&#8217;s bringing us songs and stories and thoughts of love and respect from those who are far away. And we offer that back to them in the evening. And then when we hear that</p>
<p>and they hear that song, then they take our prayers and our words to them. So today, I&#8217;d like to share with you a song that I call the middlearch song. It&#8217;s fortunate that I have this gift. I can play a flute. And I was raised and when I was raised as a young man and a little boy, I watched my grandfathers, my uncles, and they would take those flutes out at certain times of the year or on special occasions when somebody would ask them for a prayer or for a certain thing and they would take those out and they would play them. You see, I</p>
<p>can sing, but I&#8217;ve never been able to play a piano or any of these. They tried to make me do the piano, but when I look at the music, it moves. I I can&#8217;t look at sheet music. But I have had the great opportunity and the honor of playing with about 19 symphony orchestras around this country and around the world. I&#8217;m self-taught. I listen to the flute and</p>
<p>it sings to me. And this is very important that you listen because when you&#8217;re young, you learn from many different ways and many different creatures. We use creatures in our stories. And one of the first stories I learned when I began to play the flute, it song came to me. I didn&#8217;t know how to play. I sat on a hill for three nights</p>
<p>and four days and when I came down I have no water, no food. I I went to my home and I took that flute with me when I was up there because these are holy and sacred. These are the medicine of the soul and the spirit. Many times people take the pipe with them. But I laid that flute there and when I came down from that hill I began to try to play that flute and I kind of tried too hard maybe. How&#8217;s that? Not as good as the</p>
<p>last one. Huh? But then as I began to listen to the flute, it sang me a song. And it sang of a warrior who is much smaller than myself, but I have great respect for him. I have seen men bigger than me back up when he comes. I have</p>
<p>seen women running, screaming away, but I have seen children in their innocence reach out and touch this warrior. You see, it&#8217;s not how big you are here. It matters what you have here. And when you use this muscle and this muscle, you don&#8217;t need so much of this muscle. And people will have great respect for you.</p>
<p>And so I want to play for you the very first song I taught myself how to play. I&#8217;m going to start with my language, the Mandan language. Kind of got fancy there because we literally sing the song when we play the flute. Then I&#8217;m going to play it in my Hata language a little bit faster. And then I&#8217;m going to play it in the language we share, the English language. And maybe you have heard the</p>
<p>song before. Maybe you have seen the warrior recently. Maybe you even have some of his medicine at your home. But this was where I began my journey. And so this is the first song I learned and it sounds like this.</p>
<p>You know the song. You guys must be part Indian, huh? But how many of you men have been cleaning the yard or or moving boxes around? Oh, look out. Made you step back, didn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>Spider. How big is he? And how big are you? Ah, don&#8217;t laugh, ladies. I&#8217;ve seen you dance across the room. Look. Oh my</p>
<p>god. But how many of you as children, how many of you children have seen spiders in the bush or in the window on the water? Did you reach out with your finger maybe or a piece of stick or a leaf and touch that spider? You see, those spiders are a lot like us as human beings. They&#8217;re very delicate. They&#8217;re</p>
<p>very powerful. You see, they&#8217;re red and they&#8217;re white. They&#8217;re yellow. They&#8217;re black. They&#8217;re spotted. They&#8217;re bald.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re hairy. They&#8217;re ugly. They&#8217;re beautiful. But they also have great medicine within them. We use some of that medicine for our elders when we when they have arthritis and bcitis like myself. We use it for the women who have</p>
<p>the time of the moon and we give it to our children medicine from the spider as their bones grow and stretch and it helps them to heal faster than Tylenol does from a spider. Something so small, something so powerful. You see, our stories have many different characters in many different ways. Sometimes we have to listen to our teachers. Some of us go to school and some of us are homeschooled, which is good, too. And so</p>
<p>we always learn. You see, we always have someone around us that&#8217;s trying to tease us, to get us in trouble. Sometimes that&#8217;s us, isn&#8217;t it? Sometimes we&#8217;re our own worst enemy. But one day along the prairie, there was this coyote. And this</p>
<p>coyote was kind of hungry. When he woke up that morning, oh boy, I don&#8217;t have very much to eat right now. I&#8217;m pretty hungry. And you know how them coyotes are all mangy and scratching. He went up over the hill and he was trying to figure out what he was going to eat. As</p>
<p>he came close to the top of the hill, he could hear the prairie chickens on the other side singing. Have you ever seen the prairie chickens dancing the spring? Those young men with their big red chest sticking out and their wings pulled back. And those pretty little girls with their pin feathers pulled back. Yeah. And they were all dancing</p>
<p>and looking at each other. And they always have a scout sitting up there. And that scout said, &#8220;He&#8217;s coming. He&#8217;s coming. Coyote is coming.&#8221; They all started to run away. And Coyote said,</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, how am I going to get those?&#8221; and he turned and he looked. He said, &#8220;I know. I&#8217;ll use my bag.&#8221; So he took his medicine bag and he put it over his shoulder and he said, &#8220;I know you guys are just trying to steal my songs. I want you birds to get away from me.&#8221; And the bird said, &#8220;You got songs? We like to dance. You got songs?&#8221;</p>
<p>You know how young ones are. They&#8217;re always liking to dance. They always like to sing. And so Kyle was there. But these are special songs. These are</p>
<p>sacred songs. Can you share one with us? Can you give us one? He Well, I&#8217;ll only share one with you. He said, &#8220;But you guys got to stay back. Make a big circle</p>
<p>around here so I can see you.&#8221; And the prayer chick is all gathered in a circle around him. But they were kind of back a little bit farther. He dug in his bag. Put a song in his mouth. Not that one. He</p>
<p>said, &#8220;No, not that one.&#8221; This is a good one. He said, &#8220;Are you ready?&#8221; Now, I&#8217;m going to need some help from the audience, okay? You guys are going to be my prairie chickens. All right? So, I need your help. And so,</p>
<p>Coyote, he said, &#8220;This is the song I want to give you.&#8221; It says, &#8220;Can you say that? Say modia. You guys are some pitiful chickens. No, you guys got to sing a little louder. Prayer chickens, they like to sing loud. So now this time, pretend</p>
<p>you&#8217;re trying to sing to the people across the street. All right, you know how it is. You when somebody&#8217;s far away, you kind of lift your head up and talk, right? Say a little bit louder. So let me see you lift your head. Here we go</p>
<p>again. Ready? Well, that&#8217;s not too bad, but you know, maybe gain a little bit of weight. Maybe you ate too much breakfast. What I want you to do is I want you to sing like somebody&#8217;s on the highway and you&#8217;re trying to stop them. Let them hear this</p>
<p>song. All right, this time put your head way up and close your eyes and really holler loud. Okay, ready? Holler loud. I want to hear you. Ready? Gaga</p>
<p>mod. That&#8217;s not bad. So now let&#8217;s try it one more time together. Now you guys were dancing around. So put your heads back and all the prairie chickens was dancing around in a circle around coyote. And they were all</p>
<p>singing. It&#8217;s oak. And as they had their heads back, Kyle, he bunkked one on the head and he threw it in the bag. He bunked another one on the head. He threw it in the bag.</p>
<p>He took that fat one, bunked it, and he threw it in the bag. And pretty soon that scout said, &#8220;Hey, open your eyes. Look what he&#8217;s doing. He&#8217;s killing us.&#8221; And they all took off. But coyote, he didn&#8217;t care because he had a whole bag full. And he put that bag over his</p>
<p>shoulder and he was going home and he was singing that song. It&#8217;s oaka. You know what he was saying? I&#8217;m going to eat chicken tonight. Haha. I&#8217;m going to eat chicken tonight.</p>
<p>Haha. See, in other words, you got to watch out cuz you know that coyote&#8217;s out there. And we have plenty of coyotes in the cities. We have them in the countries. Sometimes we see those pictures of children on the wall at the store, on a grocery bag, on a milk carton. It says missing. What happened</p>
<p>to those children? Did some coyote come along and get them to close their eyes? You see, we as adults have to watch out for our children. We need to look out for each other. Sometimes they say, &#8220;That&#8217;s your child. That&#8217;s not my</p>
<p>child.&#8221; Children are sacred. And we as the adults, we need to watch over them. And you as the children, you need to listen to the mothers and the fathers and those that are around you because those are the leaders of tomorrow, our protectors of tomorrow. That&#8217;s you. And so we don&#8217;t want some coyote singing what&#8217;s the oak maz. That&#8217;s the song of the coyote</p>
<p>song. See, most people when they think of flutes and natives, they think of the love songs. And that young man has to be a good young man to provide for a woman because I want my son to have a big belly like me. You know, I want his wife to be able to cook for him and make him clothes. Could you think, can you make clothes like this? They didn&#8217;t have</p>
<p>Kmart back then, you know. They had to hunt. Can you boys take a stick and make a bow? Do you boys know how to make a knife from a rock? Can you girls skin those animals? Can you make clothes for your</p>
<p>family and food from your family from those animals? You see, we can do that. And I teach my sons and my daughters how to do that. And so my sons and my daughters are very handsome and very beautiful always in my heart. Don&#8217;t you think your children are the best, too? Of course we</p>
<p>do. See, but we know better. Huh? So, this is a song and a young man would prove himself to the family. He would tell what clan he was from because we&#8217;re born to our mother&#8217;s clan among my people. I belong to the Nagadawi clan.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the three clan. There&#8217;s the Low Cap, the Prairie Chicken, and the Flint Knife. My mother is a Flint Knife clan. And so, my children are children of the Flint Knife. We&#8217;re always born to our mother&#8217;s side.</p>
<p>We have these clans so that we don&#8217;t be like Elvis Presley or there&#8217;s no kissing cousins and we want to know who our relatives are. You know, we don&#8217;t kiss our cousins cuz if you have kissing cousins, then you have inner breeding. You know what? You end up with politicians. And then they No, I&#8217;m just teasing.</p>
<p>But if a young man is good and he can hunt and he can tell about who he is and they can talk about that young woman, what she has made for them, what kind of medicine she has. You see, my daughters, they have sweet uh gummy corn and they have blue corn and pumpkin seeds. My sons belong to the to the buffalo dance society. I&#8217;m the lead buffalo of the Mandens. You see these pictures around here, that buffalo headdress. I&#8217;m the</p>
<p>number one buffalo today. You see, I have to protect the people. Watch out. My wife, she comes from South Dakota. That&#8217;s why I made sure that she wasn&#8217;t my relative. I&#8217;m half Sue on my dad&#8217;s</p>
<p>side. She&#8217;s half Sue and half German, kind of half crazy, too. So, you know, that that&#8217;s why I got to make sure that we we get along, you know, and so if a young man gets a good beautiful flute and the song comes from his heart, he will put himself somewhere where she walks by and in the evening he may come out of those bushes and he will say loud enough for everyone to hear. All through the night, I have dreamed of you and all through the night you have been my dream. I woke this morning and I sat on the hill and I waited for you to bring sunlight into the day. As I sat upon the hill, I</p>
<p>twisted flowers with the sweet grass that grows there. When you stepped from your lodge upon the earth, the sun began to shine, the birds began to sing, the butterflies began to dance, and my heart began to pound. As you walked towards me, I wanted to say beautiful things to you, but my mind became a cloud. And my tongue was so thick I couldn&#8217;t move it. When you looked at me, I lowered my eyes and I raised my hand with that bracelet.</p>
<p>When you took this from me and you walked past, I said, &#8220;There goes the light of my life. There goes the source of my desire. There goes the woman of my dreams. And all through the night, I have dreamed of you. And all through the night, I shall dream of you again.</p>
<p>You see, among our people, we didn&#8217;t have schools. We homeschooled. We would send our sons to those who could make good bows and teach them how. We&#8217;d send our daughters to those who could plant corn or to plant beans or squash. We would send our sons to those who could show them and our daughters to those who could show them in a good way. And then they would come</p>
<p>back. You see, I learned how to make flutes from my uncle using my fingers and my hands to measure. A year later, he passed away. And so, I was very honored, but also very sad. But I&#8217;m very thankful because this is how I feed my family today, traveling and playing flute. I also teach at a community</p>
<p>college. And so, I&#8217;m very fortunate because I can read music. I feel music and I hear music. And so, my sons and daughters, they sing, &#8220;Dad, can you show me how?&#8221; That&#8217;s all you have to do is watch and listen. My daughter made this flute when she was 9 years old. Her very</p>
<p>first one she made when she was five, and I had the privilege to play both of them at the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC. What a great honor. Now she&#8217;s 16. I&#8217;m hoping she makes me another one pretty soon. I&#8217;d like to go back to Washington. What do you teach your</p>
<p>children? Everything we say and everything we do, we are teaching somebody something. We teach the old people. We teach those who are younger than us. What have you done today that you have taught somebody? Did you teach</p>
<p>them how to point and to criticize or do you teach them how to open their hands and welcome? Because when you look at another human being, are we so different? How many legs do you have? How about a black man? How many arms do you have? How about an Asian? How many</p>
<p>eyes do you have? Don&#8217;t I also you see how many hearts do we have? We all share one heart. Just like mother earth has one heart. All the animals that walk, that crawl, that swim, that fly, they too have one heart. They have</p>
<p>a mother and a father. They have dreams and wants and desires for them. As I play this next song, I hope that you will take a deep breath and allow yourself to fly for just a moment. Fly up past the clouds. Go near grandfather sun. Feel how warm he is.</p>
<p>Maybe go all the way up to grandma moon. Catch up with her. She&#8217;s there beyond the horizon. Catch her and dance and feel her cool face. Make the children, the stars laugh as you touch them. Come back</p>
<p>to this earth and fly over these beautiful mountains you have here. Touch that top of that mountain with your wing and watch the snow sparkle as it rolls down the hill. Fly over the forest. I heard a waterfall this morning. Do you have you heard one? Fly</p>
<p>out over this ocean and see the whales swimming. Maybe jump in the water there and swim with them for a moment. Maybe some of you want to go lay on the bottom with Spongebob and check out the sky dancing on top of the water. Maybe you&#8217;ve left someone behind or someone has left us recently and they&#8217;re in your heart. All you have to do is close your eyes and you can be with them again for a moment. So my</p>
<p>friends, I ask you take a deep breath, please, as you take this next breath, I hope that you will close your eyes and listen to the music and maybe even fly for a moment. Take a deep breath. Close your eyes. Did anybody fly? Did anybody leave this room for just a moment? Let me see your</p>
<p>hand. Did I make you fly? No, I didn&#8217;t. I said I want you to believe. If you closed your eyes for just a moment, if you left this room for just a moment, you did what every warrior must do, you believe that you could do the impossible. And sometimes</p>
<p>the possible is not that hard to do. Let me show you another example. Take your fingers and go like this. All right, just one hand. One hand. All right, nice</p>
<p>and tight. Ready? Poke your head through there. Come on. Poke your head through there. Does that seem impossible? Now</p>
<p>watch how simple this is. Poke, poke, poke. Poke, poke. Now you thought that was impossible, didn&#8217;t you? See how simple it is? Sometimes we just have to</p>
<p>look a little bit differently, try something new. You see, we are no different. But if we learn together, we live together, we walk together, and we have respect for one another. No matter how someone dresses, no matter what language they speak, no matter what kind of food they eat, experience it, meet them, learn their language, learn about their clothes, learn about their food and their dances. Because are we so different? You see, here in this land,</p>
<p>we have as native people lived together in harmony with the land and the people of all tribes forever. We welcomed many of your relatives long ago. They said when those people got off that boat, some of them, they looked holy and sacred. The being, the sacred being at that time was the great white buffalo. And that white buffalo is big. Some of</p>
<p>those men that got off that boat, they were pretty big. And they had hair all over them like the buffalo, too, on the top and on the bottom. And they kind of smell like buffalo, too. But, you know, but see, are we so different? So, as I play this last song, I want to say thank you very much for coming here today. And</p>
<p>if you heard anything that&#8217;s good, take it with you. Share with those that are around you. Thank the National Park Service for being here and giving us this opportunity. And so this is a song I call walking in harmony. As you leave here today, I hope that we can all walk in harmony.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. Okay. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Well, we won&#8217;t use that one. Let&#8217;s try.</p>
<p>Ladies and gentlemen, would you like to hear Keith with maybe a few more stories and a few more songs? What do you think? All right. Thank you, Keith. We do have a little bit more time, so if it&#8217;s all right with him, we&#8217;d like to have you stay a few more minutes. All</p>
<p>right. Thank you very much. Thank you for the honor. You see, these flutes are made out of trees, the tree of life. We usually use cedar because it it lasts longer. It</p>
<p>doesn&#8217;t warp. It&#8217;s a thing of life. We use that cedar, the the branch. We use that for incense in our homes. The girls, they put it on themselves to smell good for the boys. You see the</p>
<p>mandatas, where I come from, we were living way up on the top of the Missouri River, way up here. We did not live in the little mobile homes. Those tepeees that you see out here, it&#8217;s pretty cold on the prairie in that tepee. You&#8217;re going to shiver off your fat. So those boys, they come to see us, they had knobbyby elbows and high cheekbones, you know, their face was all sunk in, ribs sticking out, knobbyby knees. Well, that&#8217;s how you&#8217;d</p>
<p>look too if you shivered off your fat, right? Look at me. Harad says, &#8220;Mand we lived in earth lodges the big size as this tent here. We were condominium people.&#8221; See, and when those other tribes came, they would bring their skinny little boys to look at our pretty little girls, and they bring their pretty little girls to look at us handsome men, too. You know, well, it&#8217;s not that we were so much bigger and better than the other tribes, but like I said, we had good homes. And when those people came, they</p>
<p>would come and they would bring the best that they had and they would trade because we were the commerce center of America. We were the medicine center of America. From the north, east, south, and west, they came to the middle of our great land to the Missouri River that we called the great smoky water because the earth and the dirt that swirled in that water looked like smoke in the sky. Great smoky water. We took our life from that. We lived along the river bottoms,</p>
<p>those trees. And when those young men would come, they would bring the good things from their tribes. They would stand and they would sing songs. You see, there&#8217;s a song when you try to snag that woman. They&#8217;re called snagging songs. Seeking nice American girls.</p>
<p>Hey, snag and get it. So, a young man, he might see that girl and he want to sing his heart to her. So, he might sing a song something like this down by the river. Oh my honey, don&#8217;t you know that I&#8217;ll be with you tonight? We&#8217;ll go walking by the waters. We&#8217;ll hold hands in the</p>
<p>moonlight. I yo oh I oh yo oh yaho. Down by the river where the water flows cold and clear. I whisper sweet words to you honey. Words you want to hear.</p>
<p>Io honey in the evening when the sweet grass smells so strong. Go walking by the willows. Honey, there I&#8217;ll be along. Io. Honey, don&#8217;t you know that I&#8217;ll be the waters. We&#8217;ll make love till morning</p>
<p>light. Io. Data. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. You see, like I said, we offer ourselves to the creator every morning. We thank him every night. Maybe</p>
<p>today was rough. Tomorrow might be better. Maybe today was real good. tomorrow could be worse. So we always say thank you for this day in our life for the challenges. You see my mother taught me</p>
<p>how to walk in both worlds, the white man&#8217;s world and the Indian world. I studied Catholicism because my girlfriend was Catholic. I went to Baptist because I like the way they preach. I went and studied Judaism because those were my friends. I studied Shinto because I took martial arts. But</p>
<p>I find my prayers are answered through our ways, the Sundance way. As long as you offer yourself and you remember where you came from, our sons and our daughters, they will do what we have done and they will say what we have said. What have you taught and what do you teach every day? You see, this is one of those songs that my mother shot taught me when I was very young. And I hope that you recognize this. And so I&#8217;d</p>
<p>like to share this song. It sounds like this. Thank you very much for your time this morning this morning. It&#8217;s afternoon now. I&#8217;m think I&#8217;m on jet lag here. But</p>
<p>thank you very much for coming. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day and I hope you invite your family to come back and share this great opportunity of the only na traveling national park in the whole United States. Mazgidads, thank you for coming today. Thank you very much Keith Bear from the Mandan and Hadata and it&#8217;s always a pleasure to have you in the tent Keith. Uh by the way folks, our next program will start at the top of the hour at 3:00. So</p>
<p>please come back and join us at that time. Our next program is from the mountains beyond and it is about some of the native uses of the land around this area. So please come back and join us then at 4:00 we have a program about the plants of Louiswis and Clark. So please come back for that as well.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all right Could you um tell us where your where does your drinking water come from um this tell them we&#8217;re from Houston and our drinking water is from Lake Houston which is I believe on the um um trity Trinity River Trinity River so your water comes from surface water service yes how does it taste not real good it tastes a lot like it has a lot of chlorine in it it&#8217;s about all you taste do you know the name of your water shed wow Trinity River no I don&#8217;t but I would think it was Trinity River water ship thanks that was pretty simple well look that for I know so um do you know where your drinking water comes from uh well it comes from the top that&#8217;s the end that&#8217;s the end result uh where where does it come from I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s there&#8217;s a major processing before that and then uh uh here in Missoula um not sure but I would say it comes from it&#8217;s Mountain runoff through the through the rivers and then it&#8217;s it&#8217;s uh refined here and uh and then through the Taps how about your original home do you know where your uh drinking water comes from where you come from uh in no in Nova Scotia um not not exactly sure um sure it would be some sort of some sort of lake or or river running running into our purification all right thanks um do you have to know the name of the Watershed that you&#8217;re in or no no do not okay thanks and um where does our water come from okay all right um do you know where your drinking water comes from um I&#8217;m not sure I think that it might come from um well I live in the city and so um we have like a a city water system and I&#8217;m not sure other than that I used to live out of town and then my water came from a well and I knew a lot more where it came from then and specifics about it but I don&#8217;t anymore cuz I just moved into the city a few months ago so and when you drank from the well did you have a well in your own yard or your backyard yeah in my own backyard so did you test your well and that kind of thing um no we didn&#8217;t test our well but um it was tested it gets you know it was tested like I&#8217;m not sure how often probably every couple years would be my guess so how deep was your well um I don&#8217;t know I don&#8217;t know how deep it was but um I I know that in the house that I lived in there was a well in the backyard and the landlord tested it and took care of everything with it so okay and uh do you know what watershed you&#8217;re in um no I don&#8217;t what does that mean I don&#8217;t even know what that means wed is a place of land where it empties into a bed of water so if you have a mountain the mountain releases the water after it rains that will flow into a river that&#8217;s the water shed okay so it&#8217;s it&#8217;s what&#8217;s flowing the water where the water is Flowing to yep exactly so well in Missoula we have like an aquafer I think and I I&#8217;m not sure does the I don&#8217;t know if the water comes from there or not the water that&#8217;s what I thought and all this do you know where your drinking water comes from I kind of do and I kind of don&#8217;t I assume it comes from under mount Sentinel because we have one of the biggest aquifers there and cleanest and um it depends where in the city I know some people have like private Wells and then a lot of people have City water but that&#8217;s all okay how about back home do you know where bricking water comes from in Cleveland yeah well um I live in suburb of Cleveland so I have a we have private well is it well in your backyard yes it&#8217;s probably well in our backyard um we&#8217;ve got two of them one for our barn one for our house how&#8217;s it taste really good it&#8217;s really deep it&#8217;s good cold good that&#8217;s it okay do you know where your drinking water comes from uh from reservoirs up in the mountains all right yep and um the reservoirs up in the mountains do you know what part of the Watershed that&#8217;s part of I do not I do not not all I know is that there&#8217;s they&#8217;ve built reservoirs to supply water to the Denver area and in the area that I live a lot of it comes from the Clear Creek District which is Gilpin County and so that&#8217;s where their water comes down from and the water that comes to your house is that on the other side of the mountains or is that on the mountains you live on uh it&#8217;s probably the mountains we live in so it&#8217;s probably on the west or the Eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains good how&#8217;s the water taste not bad not as good as Montana water do you buy water bottle water when you&#8217;re we do not we use drinking water right from the top y good that&#8217;s it oh okay all right uh do you know uh where does your drinking water come from it comes from a series of Wells that are drilled here in the Missoula aquifer uh the Montana uh water company is that no it&#8217;s the Mountain Water Company uh has a series of Wells right here in the Missoula area that that Supply all our tap water and uh do you know the name of your Watershed uh this would be the Clark Fork Watershed and can you tell us a little bit about the Watershed and how the water gets there well uh most of it comes from snow pack uh up in the mountains uh there&#8217;s five valleys that uh join here in the Missoula area uh the water flows Downstream and and also uh into gravel beds uh that are are aquifer and what&#8217;s the connection between the the Watershed and the aquifer as far as you for your drinking making water you know well I think there&#8217;s probably a direct connection um water runs not only Downstream but underground and uh uh our water is filtered uh through all the the sediments and and gravels and and rocks that it passes through um and I think it sits about 75 ft below us here um and supplies millions of gallons every day to the people of Missoula and how about as far as um how you treat your water shed does that affect your drinking water uh it does uh because there&#8217;s a lot of things you can do in the in the upper Watershed for sure that changes uh whether your snow pack uh makes it into the ground or not um how how you log at high elevations how you build roads um what you do in terms of uh uh chemical use there&#8217;s a whole range of things that can affect your water throughout the Watershed thanks anything else you want to add don&#8217;t think so the water&#8217;s good here okay yeah good thanks hi Tanner how you doing good good say Tanner do you like to go swimming yeah all right do you like water a lot yeah do you like to drink water yeah do you know where your drinking water comes from um no have you ever thought about where your drinking water comes from H the rivers rivers cricks cricks laks and do you live in the city or do you live in the country um I&#8217;m not really sure I live in loo but I&#8217;m not sure you live in the town of loo yep so when you turn on the faucet where do you think the water comes from the pipes pip the water pipes okay thanks Tanner super job and do you ever think of ways you can conserve water what that&#8217;s okay Tanner nice job Tanner thanks bye bye all right what&#8217;s your name Trevor Trevor and uh Trevor where you from where do you live I&#8217;m from I live at my grandma&#8217;s house for now until until until I get to go back to Louisiana okay and uh Trevor do you like water yes do you like to play in water do you like to swim in it yes all right good good tell me um do you ever think about where your drinking water comes from yeah where does your drinking water come from Rivers any place else that ocean okay thanks good job what&#8217;s your name Brianna Brianna you don&#8217;t have to ran Brianna you don&#8217;t have to lean into the microphone you can just stand there like that and and the sound will come right from you and go into the microphone Rihanna Ray Rihanna Rihanna do you like water yes you do and do you go swimming in the water yes cuz my sister does scuba diving so every every year we go up to Flathead Lake at least 20 times each year good cuz my sister goes scuba diving and do you like to taste and drink water yes I think water is much better than pop orange juice or milk and when you when you go get your drinking water do you ever think about where it comes from do you know where your drinking water comes from yes where does it come from it comes from the very own rivers and things gets filtered and then it goes into bottles or something and then you drink it thanks Rihanna that was great was awesome Shannon Shannon you know what the sound of your voice will reach the microphone so you don&#8217;t have to lean in you can just stand there just like that okay M all right Shannon um tell me where you from Lola Lolo and how long you lived in Lola my whole life cool and uh give it dog yes great and tell me do you like to play in water or go swimming sometimes yes uhhuh what&#8217;s your favorite place to swim I don&#8217;t really know that&#8217;s all right tell me when you drink water do you ever think about where it comes from no all right do you know where your drinking water comes from no okay and uh do you ever think about when you taste it when you put torn in the faucet just what it is where it&#8217;s from no thanks good job um Montana Montana all right do you like Montana yes okay good and tell me um do you ever go swimming in the lakes Montana um sometimes and sometimes not yeah yeah and do you like water uh yes I do good you like to drink water uh yes when you&#8217;re thirsty after a hard bike ride yeah yeah tell me do you know where your drinking water comes from no have you ever thought about where your drinking water comes from uh yes where do you think it might come from um from a lake which one uh I don&#8217;t know the lake yeah and um when you turn on your water and you&#8217;re drinking it do you like what what does it taste like to you um it tastes like nothing tastes like nothing uhuh and uh where do you think the nothing comes from uh I don&#8217;t know nice job thanks good job Montana Montana big state isn&#8217;t it yeah and do you like to go swimming in the lakes and rivers yeah have you ever been canoeing yeah once uhhuh do you ever go fishing no so you went canoeing once that was fun how about uh drinking water do you do you like to drink water or do you prefer like pop or what do you like to drink it doesn&#8217;t really matter only if there&#8217;s something to drink good and uh when you do drink your water do you know where your drinking water comes from in your house uh no I don&#8217;t you ever guess and maybe think about where it starts from I don&#8217;t know have you ever drank rain water no I was just curious thanks good that&#8217;s a cool bandana you got there thanks yeah brand new neat now um tell me what&#8217;s your name Robin Robin were you from Robin Kalispel Kalispel that&#8217;s a long ways away isn&#8217;t it yeah and uh Robin do you like water like to play in water yes and what&#8217;s your favorite thing to do in Water Swim Good can you swim a lot yes what&#8217;s your favorite stroke um the backstroke good tell me Robin um do you like to drink water yes when you drink water from your house do you ever wonder where it comes from or where it starts where how does you drinking water get there yeah where does it come from the ocean and uh how does it get to your house um people like clean it out from the salt water and bring it to fridges and stuff and then you have to plug it into electricity to make water thank you very much Robin great you doing good how old are you eight eight I I could have guessed that yeah and what&#8217;s your name Seth Seth where you from Seth Lo loo and how long you lived in loo Seth um my whole life all right so it&#8217;s a long time and Seth do you like to play in water or swim in it every now and then yeah uhhuh where&#8217;s your favorite Lake to swim in Salmon Lake cool and uh Seth tell me when you&#8217;re really thirsty and you go to the faucet and turn on your faucet do you ever wonder where your drinking from Seth the sewer and how do they get it to the house Seth rain and Seth how do they clean it um filter thank you much Seth Jason how you doing good where you um I&#8217;m from Lo how long you lived in loo I don&#8217;t know all right and uh Jason tell me do you like to play in water yeah what&#8217;s your favorite thing to do in water swim cool and what&#8217;s your favorite stroke backwards good and uh when you&#8217;re really hot and thirsty and you go to the faucet and turn on your water do you ever wonder where your drinking water comes from no no if you were to imagine where it came from where do you think it comes from I don&#8217;t know thanks a lot Seth I mean uh it&#8217;s Jason right thanks Jason good job</p>
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