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		<title>Indian Family with Travois</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Russell's watercolor depicts a Plains Indian family in transit, their belongings lashed to a travois — the A-frame drag sled made of lodgepoles harnessed to a horse or dog. The composition is horizontal, suited to…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell&#8217;s watercolor depicts a Plains Indian family in transit, their belongings lashed to a travois — the A-frame drag sled made of lodgepoles harnessed to a horse or dog. The composition is horizontal, suited to the lateral movement of a traveling group across open country. A mounted figure leads or accompanies the procession, while the travois itself carries bundled goods and likely a child or elder. Russell renders the scene in transparent watercolor with graphite underdrawing, a combination he favored for working studies and finished sheets alike. The palette is restrained — earth tones for the figures and animals, washes of pale ground and sky — and the draftsmanship emphasizes the angular geometry of the travois poles against the rounded forms of horse and rider.</p>
<p>By 1897 Russell had been working in Montana for roughly seventeen years, having come west from St. Louis in 1880 as a teenager. He spent the 1880s as a wrangler and night herder in the Judith Basin, where he observed Blackfeet, Crow, and Cree camps firsthand and lived for a period among the Blood Blackfeet in Alberta in 1888. By the mid-1890s he had given up cowboying entirely for full-time painting, and subjects of Native domestic and travel life — as distinct from battle scenes or hunts — became a sustained interest. Travois imagery recurs throughout his work because the device condensed everything that interested him about pre-reservation Plains mobility: the horse culture, the movable lodge, the household on the march.</p>
<p>Russell (1864–1926) is the central figure in the Montana school of Western art and, with Frederic Remington, one of the two artists most responsible for shaping popular visual memory of the northern Plains. The sheet entered the collection of Amon G. Carter, the Fort Worth publisher and oilman whose Russell and Remington holdings became the founding core of the Amon Carter Museum of American Art when it opened in 1961. Although this watercolor does not illustrate a Lewis and Clark Expedition episode directly, Russell was the principal twentieth-century painter of Corps of Discovery subjects, and his ethnographic studies of travois transport inform the visual vocabulary later applied to expedition scenes such as his Montana statehouse mural and the Sacagawea paintings of the early 1900s.</p>
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		<title>Running Fight Between Crees and Blackfeet, Old Style Warfare</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Russell's watercolor depicts a mounted skirmish between Cree and Blackfeet warriors on the open plains. Figures on horseback are arranged in a loose diagonal across the sheet, some firing rifles from the saddle, others wielding…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell&#8217;s watercolor depicts a mounted skirmish between Cree and Blackfeet warriors on the open plains. Figures on horseback are arranged in a loose diagonal across the sheet, some firing rifles from the saddle, others wielding lances or bows as their horses gallop at full stretch. Russell uses graphite underdrawing to establish the anatomy of horses and riders, then washes in color to differentiate the two groups by their dress, weapons, and horse trappings. The palette is restrained—earth tones for the prairie, blue and grey for the distant sky—with brighter accents on shields, feathered headgear, and painted ponies. Dust kicked up by the running horses softens the middle distance, a device Russell used repeatedly to convey speed across flat country.</p>
<p>The subtitle &#8220;Old Style Warfare&#8221; signals Russell&#8217;s intent to record intertribal combat as it had been waged before the consolidation of the reservation system, when raiding and counter-raiding between Cree bands from the north and Blackfeet on the northwestern plains were ongoing features of life on the upper Missouri and Saskatchewan drainages. By 1895, when Russell made the painting, those running fights were a generation in the past. He was thirty-one and had been living in Montana since 1880, first as a wrangler and then increasingly as a working artist; he had spent the winter of 1888–89 with the Blood (Kainai) Blackfeet in Alberta, an experience that shaped his lifelong attention to Blackfeet material culture and to the horse cultures of the northwestern plains more broadly. Watercolors of this period helped him transition from illustrator to recognized painter of the West.</p>
<p>Russell (1864–1926) produced thousands of works ranging from quick sketches to large oils, and intertribal combat scenes form a recognizable subset within his output, distinct from his cowboy subjects and his Lewis and Clark paintings of the early twentieth century. The present sheet bears the credit line of the Amon G. Carter Collection and entered the holdings of the Amon Carter Museum of American Art in Fort Worth, the institution Carter&#8217;s collection seeded, which holds one of the most comprehensive groups of Russell&#8217;s works on paper. Its current location is not recorded in the available documentation.</p>
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		<title>Sun Worship in Montana</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2026 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Russell's Sun Worship in Montana shows a lone Plains Indian man, mounted on a light-colored horse, holding a long staff or pipe-stem aloft toward the rising or setting sun. The figure is positioned on open…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell&#8217;s <em>Sun Worship in Montana</em> shows a lone Plains Indian man, mounted on a light-colored horse, holding a long staff or pipe-stem aloft toward the rising or setting sun. The figure is positioned on open prairie with low ridges visible in the middle distance, and the sky—washed in pale golds and blues—occupies more than half the composition. Russell uses a vertical format unusual for his horseback subjects, which emphasizes the upright posture of horse and rider and the vast sky above them. The brushwork is loose in the landscape and tighter in the figure, where Russell renders the rider&#8217;s feathered headdress, leggings, and the horse&#8217;s painted markings with the ethnographic precision he was known for.</p>
<p>The painting dates from 1907, a productive period in Russell&#8217;s career when he had moved beyond his earliest cowboy-life subjects and was increasingly devoting canvases to Plains Indian life as he understood it from his time among the Blood (Kainai) in Alberta in 1888–1889 and from continued contact with Blackfeet and other tribes in Montana. By 1907 Russell had relocated to Great Falls, was married to Nancy Cooper Russell (who managed his career and prices), and was beginning to command serious eastern attention. Works depicting Native spiritual practice—dances, ceremonies, prayer to the sun—formed a recurring strand in his output during these years, reflecting both his sympathy for Plains peoples and a wider Euro-American interest in recording what was assumed to be a vanishing way of life.</p>
<p>Russell (1864–1926) had come to Montana from St. Louis as a teenager and built his reputation as the self-taught cowboy artist of the northern plains, in counterpoint to Frederic Remington&#8217;s more cosmopolitan production. <em>Sun Worship in Montana</em> is held by the Amon Carter Museum of American Art in Fort Worth, Texas, as part of the Amon G. Carter Collection, the foundational gift of Western art that established the museum in 1961. While not a Lewis and Clark subject, the painting belongs to the broader visual record of the upper Missouri country the expedition traversed a century before Russell painted it, and it documents the Indigenous religious life that Lewis and Clark observed but rarely described with sympathy.</p>
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		<title>Curly Bear Wagner on Blackfeet History and Lewis &#038; Clark</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2026 00:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e well good afternoon everyone and welcome to the tent to mini voices T of mini voices is part of the core Discovery 2 traveling Louis and Clark exhibit and what this tent is is exactly what it sounds like it&#8217;s a place to hear a wide variety of perspectives or voices about the Lewis and Clark expedition and also the 200 years since then and what we have here this afternoon is we&#8217;re lucky to have with us curly bear Wagner and curly bear is um of the black feet people he&#8217;s going to talk a little bit about the history and culture of his people and specifically their encounter with uh Captain Lewis and his men and give you a unique perspective a first nation&#8217;s perspective on those encounters so please give curle bear Wagner a warm tenin voices welcome thank you thank you thank you 1 two three can you hear me hear me all right okay I&#8217;m curly bear Wagner I&#8217;m a black feet from can you say okie Okie can you say that there you go that&#8217;s how are you in black feet OK we say OK n say OK n that&#8217;s how are you my friends then you reply you say suap that&#8217;s good all right but you guys look ex soapi that&#8217;s it&#8217;s real good huh all right uh some of the things that I&#8217;ve done uh my past is I&#8217;m the past culture director of the black feet and as culture director uh we I was involved in many issues concerning our people one of the issues was saving the sweet grass Hills we got a 20-year monitori from the secretary interior babit sweet grass Hills in the Bader 2 medicine area and also we were the first tribe in the United States to get our ancestor remains at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC and also the field museum in Chicago and brought our ancestors back home for proper burial and uh so that was really a feather in our H hat counting coup on those guys huh and uh I remember at the Smithsonian institution little guy by ubelaker little skinny guy at the Smithsonian he&#8217;s beating his little skinny fist on the desk said curly bear it&#8217;s impossible to get your ancestor remains out of here I looked at him I said well I don&#8217;t l my faith in man I lay my faith in him up there and we&#8217;ll see if we get him out but I call him up about once a month to see he get angry and the Dickens with me we we did it all right uh my people the black feet I&#8217;m going to talk about uh traditionally our land started from the headwaters of the Saskatchewan River by Edmonton Alberta and running East to battle for saskat then running South to the Missouri up the Missouri to the Yellowstone up the Yellowstone back into Teton country that was traditionally black feet land now there was us black feet today in the United States our reservation is a million and a half acres in size there&#8217;s the blood to be the cisa in there up north in Canada so there&#8217;s four bands of us actually five bands a small R band they got the largest band of our people that got wiped out by small poox so that was traditionally land our land now as I said working with the as culture coordinator I was involved in many issues concerning our people now some of our people up in Canada the Pagan Nation give me a call A guy by name and Albert little mustache Albert said curly bear can you come down here and give us a hand up here and give us a hand we have a VIP coming some of you may remember in the 80s when the pope visited Canada and uh he said the pope was I thought he was teasing me because my people have such a great sense of humor and I said yeah I&#8217;d like to come up he said well when you come up to our Reserve he said look for a mile when you get to Fort McLoud you turn out towards our Reserve he said look for a mile poster number 28 you take a left there and so I drove up and I found M poost number 28 I took a left and went on down many roads huh in that area called Indian roads I know I do archaeology work I just finished down here you see all the roads these farmers and Ranchers have all over the place but they had a road plowed all the way down and I followed it down in a very beautiful setting by The Old Man River they&#8217;re putting up a lodge ceremonial Lodge for our guests and the men folks are out there putting that Lodge up and they&#8217;re having a hard time so I stopped the car and I went out and I helped them we finally got the lodge up and we put it up wrong so we had to take it down and put it back up again that used to be the woman&#8217;s job putting those lodges up huh today you ask women to put the lodge I say if you want that Lodge up curly bear you put it up yourself kind of an in and women&#8217;s lib thing caught on amongst our people so we&#8217;re doing that work those women supposed to be doing so we we got the lodge up it was a 28t lodge a ceremonial Lodge with a Bear Lodge very sacred to our people they came through vision through dreams and inside we put a liner all the way around also very beautifully designed then we laid Buffalo robes throughout in the center we left the fire we made then we put the willow back rests up these Willow back rest about 132 those Willows like these easy chairs that you&#8217;re leaning up against we had that in place now Albert he was pretty nervous about everything so since there&#8217;s many roads getting that area he plac these young kids up there on that road so when the Caravan came to come and visit the pope to come and visit our people that they would uh find the right Road how this all started is the pope was going to visit in Calgary Alberta and he was going to come down and visit the head smashed in Buffalo Jump head smashed in Buffalo Jump is recognized by UNESCO as a world heritage site up in Canada some you may have been up there it&#8217;s about a three $6 million Museum built right into the uh grounds and the Pagan heard about it since most of our people are Catholics baptized Catholics it gave us an opportunity for the pope to visit the First Nations people I always say First Nations I don&#8217;t really care to be called a Native American because most of you people are Native Americans right you&#8217;re all born here right but I don&#8217;t mind being called an indan either doesn&#8217;t bother me to be called an Indian because when Columbus came to this country he was looking for India huh and he seen the people and he called them Indians that was good I&#8217;m glad he wasn&#8217;t looking for the Virgin Islands or turkey being the heck of a fixing so so uh IND didn&#8217;t don&#8217;t bother me and so when uh everything was in place now we had everything in order and uh the pope was coming down and uh from Calgary after SP spending some time up there and visiting the head smashed in Buffalo Jump now the pope very highly thought of throughout the world is a very educated person and he knows many languages but my people know many languages too because there&#8217;s over 500 federally recognized tribes the United States today and we all speak a different language and we uh sign language huh that&#8217;s how we communicated with one another that&#8217;s like juler in the uh core Discovery he spoke sign language and so that was in place now we&#8217;re all set up waiting for him and waiting for him and and and uh nothing happened pretty soon one of these young kids come running over the hill told Albert something Albert dropped everything went running over those Hills apparently the Caravan the pope has taken a different Road and Albert panicked he running over these little Hills and he&#8217;s seen the Caravan coming some distance and so he start waving his hands like this to get the Pope&#8217;s attention and to get him on the right path he&#8217;s really waving his hands like this he finally got the Pope&#8217;s attention and when he got the you know Pope rides in that uh Pop mobile huh rides way up high and he was waving like that and he found he got his attention he told him in Sign Language he said come on over to our lodge we&#8217;ll sit we&#8217;ll talk we&#8217;ll drink tea be good so copy told him in sign language and the pope would like this to him so nber he came back to the lodge he started rolling those Willow backrest up and placed them outside placing those buffaloes outside and those Elders said nabert what on Earth are you doing did you get to talk to the pope he said yeah what would you tell him well I really waved my hands like this I finally got his attention the Pope&#8217;s attention I told him in Sign Language I come on over to our lodge we&#8217;ll sit we&#8217;ll talk we&#8217;ll drink tea be good what what the pope say the pope said take your teepee down and get the hell out of here I was in Italy a couple times I want to tell that story over there I thought I better not get the hell out of there is everybody from Montana here any out of Staters who&#8217;s from out of state where you from Illinois Illinois huh I spent a lot of time in Chicago New York new yorkon Arizona South Dakota who&#8217;s from h no all right well welcome to our beautiful country the black feet called Fort Benton mini horses because of the trade here they didn&#8217;t like us too much they kicked us out of here well anyway I&#8217;m going to talk about my people and and I&#8217;ll eventually work to the encounter and uh the black feet are the oldest Plains living tribe on the plains we can trace our ancestors well back over 5,000 years of being on the plains we were hunters and gatherers we didn&#8217;t grow any kind of a crops we had a about 75 plants that we use for food and for medicine so we depended upon the Buffalo for the staff for life for our people before come to the horse we use dogs as a means of transportation it was a wolf-like dog we put a harness over the dog and that&#8217;s the way we travel now average family of four to six people would have about up to 15 dogs to move their belongings a lot of dogs and uh Buffalo being the style for life for our people so who had various ways of hunting the Buffalo one of the ways was run off over these Cliffs these Buffalo jumps we call piskin and we did this in late fall around October so we had enough meat to last us through the winter we T we dried the meat and uh this was a food source but we also hunted buffalo on the plains on an everyday basis also and then the first white man to make contact with us was in 1754 a guy by name of Alexander hendr came with the Hudson Bay people and they wanted to open up trade with us well we opened up our our arms to them because they had a lot to offer to us they they come in here to coexist not to take from us and so we opened up trade there after the beaver they wanted us to go back to the Hudson Bay bring our Wares back there our Beaver skins and we said no we don&#8217;t know how to paddle canoe and we don&#8217;t eat fish and that&#8217;s true we never ate fish at that time um because my people are very superstitious like say we were why we never ate fish because we&#8217;re nomadic people and we had across these Rivers all the time and uh we were highly Believers of the sopy spirit the water spirit and when we came to the CCS we&#8217;d leave offerings and uh talk and say let our elders and our young people cross in a good way don&#8217;t take their lives because you know the rivers are very strong and then we&#8217;ll leave your children alone that&#8217;s the reason why we never atat fish because of our spiritual beliefs and after comeing to the horse it changed our life completely uh the horse meant great wealth to our people and to gain more wealth to our people we had to go out and what we call take horses from other tribes in the history books it said that we were horse thieves those black feet were horse thieves we weren&#8217;t horse thieves we were horse takers because everything was done through prayer and I&#8217;ll I&#8217;ll tell you a story leading up to Lewis and Clark now to gain wealth these young boys it was a probably the poor kids in our bands now would be the one that would be go out and taking these horses because every time you did you put your life on the line and so these young boys would gather and they&#8217;d go get uh guidance from the elders they may bring them a pipe said we&#8217;re going to go take horses and build them a sweat lodge and the sweat lodge is like our church is made of 12 Willows and they&#8217;re woven together and in theide of our sweat lodge in the center we dig a hole for the hot rocks to be placed inside that hole and then we go and and prepare now the we didn&#8217;t call them medicine men because we had no word for medicine we called them mysterious men so anything that we didn&#8217;t understand we called it mysterious he&#8217;d come with his pipe now you guys know it as a piece pipe but to us the pipe is a connection between us and the Creator now the bowl of the pipe It&#8217;s Made of Stone so to us that represents the Earth the stem of the pipe it&#8217;s made of wood so to us that represents all living things on the earth and the smoke that comes out of our pipe we believe that&#8217;s our prayers going up the Creator because the smoke is like a spirit you see it then it disappears so that was our connection because when anthropol when they wrote about my people they said the son was our God the son wasn&#8217;t our God our God is the same God as your God only thing that in our beliefs in our ways everything is real and so we honored the son every morning we still do because our traditions and culture is still very much alive every morning we leave an offering to the Sun and thank the Sun for what the sun gives to us what does the sun give to us heat light and it&#8217;s an energy force to make all things grow huh and so therefore we honor that and then when the Sun goes home in the evening we leave another offering thanking him for the day that he&#8217;s given to us because when the Creator created this creation everything is living from the sky the Sun the moon the stars the mountains of trees the rocks of grass the gravel the water everything is living and they&#8217;re all related and we&#8217;re part of that relationship without those things out there we can&#8217;t survive as a people so we need them working in the sweet grass Hills and working with the Bure blad management we educated them about our ways and working with the ranchers and the farmers in that area because water is very important we call a giver of life huh so all these things are connected and so that&#8217;s we pray when we pray we pray all directions and so these boys are going in there they&#8217;re going down into Crow country to take horses and that&#8217;s what they want they want spiritual blessing that they make this journey in a good way and they&#8217;re just young kids and their leader is picked and they go in there and when you go into the sweat LOD you go for four rounds one round consists of four songs prayer and splashing the water onto the steam onto the rocks to create the Steam and it&#8217;s cleansing our souls it&#8217;s it&#8217;s uprooting the evil spirits who all been into a sauna before you all been into a sauna you come into a sweat who&#8217;s been into a sweat lodge a sweat lods make a sauna look like a gets really hot in there sometimes you pray you&#8217;re praying to get out it&#8217;s so hot anyway when that&#8217;s over they get ready and preparation to go and what they do they take their they a blanket with them they take their spiritual things with them now excuse me and moccasins are found me because it&#8217;s a long journey when we went into Crow country we walked from all the way down in Crow about a twoe journey down there and uh we had our we didn&#8217;t call them Scouts today always say well those Indian Scouts were way out there we had no word for scout scout we don&#8217;t know what Scout is so we call them cranes because a crane is great finder of things huh that&#8217;s why we call them our cranes would be out looking for the enemy as we traveled and as we traveled constant prayer prayer was going on all the time everything we did was through prayer and it&#8217;s still that way even today when I came down here this morning I left the offering prayer that I have a safe journey down here to talk to you good people and on our journey things get quite difficult sometimes sometimes uh if you a person starts having bad dreams a leader then they&#8217;ll turn around and go home or an individual if he has dreams that he&#8217;s going to get killed or something bad&#8217;s going to happen to him he turns around and he leaves nothing is said to him nothing is said that nobody makes fun of him him or teases him or nothing because it it&#8217;s it&#8217;s very serious and we looked at it in a very serious Manner and so they travel during the day in blackf country when they got close into Crow country absor country they traveled at night and uh the the cranes would be way up maybe a mile to two miles ahead of them always looking for the enemy when the crow is spotted that crane will run in a zigzag way knowing that the area has been found and so what they do is they go build a war Lodge now a war Lodge Is Willows and trees stack together like a like a lodge and inside there they get ready and prepare to get ready and go and take horses now as the cranes are coming in these young Warriors take a bunch of sticks and they pile them up about so high off the ground maybe 2 feet and pile them so when the cranes come in they kick those sticks like that and those sticks scatter like that everybody runs for them and picks up a stick and how many sticks they get that&#8217;s how many horses are going to take and so they made a game of it too and I having fun doing it now inside that Lodge they their preparation was made now they start painting their faces now they just didn&#8217;t paint them anyway and you know he always hear about these Indian teams college teams and paint and all that paint is very sacret it that was probably given to you by your grandfather by your father and uncle or you may have that a vision and so that paint was put on and songs were connected with it that Warrior wouldn&#8217;t go in and say well let&#8217;s drag out your hym books today and we&#8217;ll open up to page 56 and we&#8217;ll uh horse taking him we didn&#8217;t do things like that everybody sang their own individual songs now once the songs are done the black feet would go over and absorb absorb the crow huh now the crow are all the plains tribes are pretty much alike because there&#8217;s a lot of activities going on at night and we didn&#8217;t really set guards out on our horses but their best horses were tied alongside their Lodge probably around the owner&#8217;s wrist Crow away crows were very good horse people and uh the Buffalo horses were very well trained you just ride them you you could guide them with your with your knees like like such I give a presentation on all that stuff too and so what we want to do is cut their ropes and get the best trained horses they had now when the Indians are taking horses what they do they feel the back tail of the horse and my my uncle long time ago he was a horse doctor and I I knew him real well I was a little guy I used to say you feel the tail the man if it&#8217;s if it&#8217;s if it isn&#8217;t thick and it it is kind of loose and kind of light and feel the horse&#8217;s veins if the veins are sticking out he&#8217;s no good he a ain&#8217;t a good runner and so the man veins had to be very thin and no veins sticking out so that&#8217;s how they picked their fast Runners but I always thought well when you&#8217;re taking horses you ain&#8217;t too particular you take what you can get and get the heck out of there that&#8217;s the way I looked at it now what they do they set the young boys in the brush and they go on in and what they do they would take this pitch from the cottonwood trees and rub it all over themselves try to get that smell try to for a black feet to smell like a crow would be pretty hard but we tried it anyway any crows here and they go on in and they they go on in and they would uh start taking the horses and not so good horses they start take them and start running them home now I&#8217;ll stop right there in the meantime Lewis and Clark had just come on over L pass and stopped at Travelers Rest and here they split their party up Arc was to take a group and go down the Yellowstone Maryweather Lewis di Sergeant orway Thompson mcneel and Goodrich field brothers and jwor and head on back down into this country now he&#8217;s going to leave orway Thompson mcneel and Goodrich and Great Falls to dig up the rest of their stuff and Float on down and they&#8217;re going to meet down here by LMA Montana where the Bear River pours into the Missouri we call it the Bear River they call it the maras and so that was the plan now they knew when it was coming up into this part of the country what they were looking for was more land they thought the water would go beyond the 49th parallel and this is what they wanted to claim reclaim more land and so when they left Great Falls they cut Overland they come by Rose river out here we you guys call it the Teton we call it the rose and they cross they kept running into Indian signs all the time they run into Indian fresh Indian Signs by meaning Lodge circles and what have you and doing the archaeology work last week I was running through a lot of tee rings out there and all this time I was thinking about Lewis and Clark because I was walking through those Farmers Fields my goodness they&#8217;re hard walking through gee many crickets but it made me feel good because I&#8217;m sure it was a lot harder coming up that Missouri River and so that kind of put my mind at ease but we found a lot of sites coming in and and so they see these these signs and they they went on they followed the maras or the Bear River all the way up until it start turning South West and that would be the cut bank and they start and the Cut Bank turned into start turning like that and so they camped it was cloudy it was hazy they couldn&#8217;t get a couldn&#8217;t read his instruments it was raining couldn&#8217;t really see the Rocky Mountains they stayed there for a couple days and they called that area count disappointment and they left there and they went Overland hit the two medicine and start uh falling the two medicine down about four miles where Badger Crick turns into two medicine they stop they sent Jer now Jer was an indan a shaune Indian sent him out to hunt for deer and he decided to come up off the Blends up onto the flat area and look around now when they get up there up on top of the ridge they were Scouting Around and to their surprise they seen the Indians eight of them well they were scared the Indians didn&#8217;t see them they were down looking at juler and I do tours in that area I take people out to that site now where the black feet were they&#8217;re looking down and where Clark was maybe about a mile or so away and there&#8217;s a little dip like that and it comes back up on the hill so the Indians came on down that little dip and they come up on this hill and that&#8217;s when they seen Maryweather Lewis in the field brothers Joseph and Ruben fields of course they&#8217;re young kids they were kind of scared I&#8217;m sure but also very curious who these people were now we were used to seeing uh these nappy Quin uh we always call them napin means old man because they had always had beards huh the French and so on always had these big beards so we call them napin old men and so we were curious and we&#8217;re going to find out who they were and so they planned amongst themselves and marwe Lewis was standing out there I&#8217;m sure he was pretty frightened and the black feet took one boy and took out after him full tilt on Horseback the rest of the boys stood back and he had his club and his spear in his hand ra with lwis was standing there raising his hand like that and the black feet got maybe the length ofest tent and turned his horse and and took back off remember whether Lewis didn&#8217;t show Fear if he showed fear and he turned his back that IND would have come back up and struck him behind the head we learned that from the bear huh we&#8217;re taught if a bear comes at us not to lay down and play dead don&#8217;t make eye contact stand still and and the biggest chances out of of a 100 he&#8217;ll turn and he&#8217;ll leave you alone because you don&#8217;t show Fear so we learned that and so they went back and they said well where our tobacco is low now I know these napin they have a lot of tobacco let&#8217;s go see who they are so they went down and he was trying to talk sign language to the black feet and he wasn&#8217;t doing a very good job so they sent for juler who was out hunting the deer you know one of the field Brothers black feet rode off that cliff and found him and they come back in and you know up on the plane and this happened in July it gets awful hot up there and the they were sitting there visiting a sign language and they said well let&#8217;s go down we&#8217;ll Camp there&#8217;s three trees down there go camp by those trees and so they did get some shade they put up Buffalo robes and they made shade and they began to talk sign language well he went into his dog and pony show and black feet really didn&#8217;t make much sense of it but one of the things that did happen they said they wanted to open up trade with us they wanted to bring guns into the shonis into the crow into our enemies because the black feed at that time our enemies were the Flathead sish Cy cordan NEP Shon rapo Crow shyen Su man hadat and R grant grant were our allies at that time so that was our enemies and we didn&#8217;t want anybody to be equal with us huh so it didn&#8217;t strike us too too keen and so as night came tobbacco run roll they went to lay down to rest they kept guard black feet came along early in the morning took one of Ruben Fields guns and took off they hollered at him dropped it another one took a gun and start walking away Ruben Fields went up caught the boy tackled him stabbed him in the heart his name was Sid Hill calf without Clark&#8217;s permission or Maryweather Lewis&#8217;s permission killed him killed him instantly took about a couple steps and died and that started a confusion horse started running away Mayweather Lewis was a hard sleeper he finally arose and seeing was horses were being taken he pulled his pistol and he shot one of the Indians he didn&#8217;t kill him he just grazed him wounded him in a lot of history books it said that he was killed he wasn&#8217;t killed he brought him back home and uh a lot of confusion they start running their horses off off and and going to the Indian boys they took off tailed it for home and left some of their best horses there now these horses were quite unique because these horses can run from sun up to sun down without stopping these were the Spanish barbs that were brought over here by Cortez and uh that&#8217;s also another story but these horses were bred by the Moors of Africa huh this is why they were such they can go great dist they go great distances without food or water for a day or so couple days and so they start they left a piece midle on side Hill calf and they they left we went back told our Warriors our real people and they took after them but they had about a day and a half&#8217;s journey on us we couldn&#8217;t catch them marwe Lewis in the field Brothers Junior came on down there were Lomo Montana to day about that time they heard a shot and it was or orway Thompson mcneel and goodr coming down they were happy to see him they dropped everything jumped on her vots and they took off how much time I got minut all right good I&#8217;ll make some some of these stories real short now one of the great stories is uh you probably heard the John culture story huh you guys hear that story this afternoon John couter story well John culter was going on back and he ran into a couple guys that were coming up the Missouri River and they going to trade so he got permission he came up with them he trapped and traded all winter and then he was going back on down he met manal Lisa and joined his party Manel Lisa was the first one to build a Trading Post in the state of Montana which is the state of Montana and that&#8217;s for the Little Big Horn pours into the Yellowstone and so he worked with Manuel Lisa one of his duties was to make peace with the black feet as an ambassador but he went out with some crows they joined some flatheads and there was a skirmish with the black feet gter was uh grazed on the on the side of the leg shot so cter to the black feet was a man who fought on the other side and as time went on uh he was up dropping in the Three Forks area we call those we have our names for the Three Rivers up there one was is Medicine Woman River or Medicine Woman River uh they were coming down that river guy a name of pots and him and the book says they run into a whole bunch of Indians maybe a couple hundred thousand or so and uh he was called out of the ship out of the boats they stopped hid their traps cter get out pots didn&#8217;t they said they filled his body with bullet holes when cter got out he said this old man talked to him said you better run you better run he didn&#8217;t listen to the old man but they stripped him naked he probably run him through the G in line and he said he kept running he took off running and he ran and ran he looked behind him his Indians were chasing him this one Indian with a spear and a blanket was coming close to him and he ran for maybe four or five miles blood was coming from his nose he stopped he got in a wrestle match with that Indian took him down that Indian start begging for his life but couter killed him anyway jumped up and took off dove in the river hid in a beaver dam took his blanket and Beaver House beaver hut that night he got out of the beaver hut and he crossed over the mountains another 500 Mile Journey back to Fort Manuel Lisa that was a story but really happened and we wouldn&#8217;t be traveling with that many 500 or even 100 or even 50 probably a small party of maybe 30 people out on a hunting uh 30 inds out on a hunting Patrol because we weren&#8217;t going to no major battle and we weren&#8217;t making no major move just think how much buffalo would take to feed that many men and uh we didn&#8217;t have any of our women folks with us or nothing and he did stop and uh maybe pots took a shot at one of the Indians and uh Indian shot him they didn&#8217;t rivet his bullet his body with bullets because bullets was hard to come by you know and we never shot off a horse huh like in the movies we never did shoot like that because you ever try to shoot some of you ratch yourself shoot riding a horse you&#8217;re never going to hit nothing except John Wayne you know John Wayne could shoot and 15 Indians will fall over but when we shot off the horses we always got off and and shot and and uh I don&#8217;t make that point and so then he took off run and and well then he went on over well anyway the story is that first place you&#8217;re not going out run a Indian a black feed Indian you know in those days you know look how many times we were on the cross country state championship I think we set some kind of a National Record 24 years in a row that&#8217;s our young people today when our people are natural born Runners and uh no Indian&#8217;s going to carry a spear with him there&#8217;s certain people carried Spears and these Spears are long they&#8217;re from uh 8 to 12 ft long are Spears and they were used for sacred purposes in those days because we had the rifle in those and who&#8217;s going to run carry a blanket with them while he&#8217;s chasing somebody huh stop and warm up every once in a while and uh there&#8217;s no way in the world you&#8217;re going to get in a beaver hut hide in a beaver house huh you guys know the beaver Huts you know they&#8217;re only about this this deep inside there&#8217;s two stories to him huh and so that&#8217;s and he didn&#8217;t run naked all the way back to he froze to death going over those mountains traditionally anytime we run into to our we had a battle that may be the Flathead Crow anybody and we always let one person alive to go back and tell the story always we give them the best Provisions we give him the horse the food clothe him up good go back and story they said they&#8217;ll told culture stay out of our country because they were trapping here and that was our economic base there was a lot of Bloodshed sped upon these planes and it shouldn&#8217;t never happened and they could have come up here and opened up trade with us they didn&#8217;t they come in and start taking the beaver and that&#8217;s like someone going to your home taking your belonging say you don&#8217;t need these things or you&#8217;re going to retaliate too huh but a lot of we were labeled of of bad being bad people we&#8217;re just protecting what was rightfully ours and so these are some of the incidents that occurred up home at that time until they finally wised up and hired a guy by the name of McKenzie mckeny worked with the Hudson Bay people he came in and and started that Fort uh Union brought a guy by name in here burger burger lived amongst the black feed for 25 years sent Burger up in the black feed country to open come on down and open up for trade Burger went up what is now the black feed ending reservation up on Badger Creek while into our reservation almost on the mountain front he met the black feet of one of the Chiefs was Pretty Woman Pretty Woman they wanted to talk to him he said no they got the White Flag let&#8217;s see what they want they recognized it was Burger he could speak the language fluently and he said come on down and we will trade with you and a lot of those sign uh that&#8217;s when uh uh uh so the black feet went on down and open up trade and and uh the artist that did all his artwork on his tent out here what&#8217;s his name huh Wagner absolutely he was up and he painted like Buffalo B back fat and those black feet and blood Indians that you see over there Buffalo B backfat was one of my ancestors I was back at uh at this at uh National Muse Art Gallery where they have a big painting of him in uh the Lewis and Clark expedition that was going on and they did open up trade and they wanted to build a trade place up here so they black gave permission to come on up and they opened up Fort Pagan and this was in 19 1832 a guy by name of Joe Kip they come built that Fort there and they open up trade Bloods came and burnt it down what has time when went on uh we didn&#8217;t start trading with Americans they offered us more and uh got rid of the British now I&#8217;ve did a lot of work on leis and Clark from the Indian from the First Nations persp perspective I got 150 hours of going up and down from uh St from I start from uh St Louis uh the Mounds kokia the mountains out there we start shooting out there and we we&#8217;ve interviewed the Omaha punka oage Oto Mandan hadat and rarra all these tribes coming on up the Missouri River all the on over to Fort katup we&#8217;re doing the Indian perspective of Lewis and Clark from our perspective we do the history before they came their involvement and then the after effects we finished our first one called Two Worlds at two medicine that&#8217;s a black feet encounter uh we put it in DVD form we&#8217;ve taken it to Harvard all over the country uh to the Isle George Museum in Indianapolis uh the Indian education conference national Indian education conference in Phoenix and so on all over the country got excellent reviews I&#8217;ve taken it to I&#8217;ve given it to our governor in the state of Montana national or the Indian Education Office of Public Instruction was very happy to see this because they want more Indian education system in their school so it what we&#8217;ve done is going to be put in the schools systems today we were drawn up the educational curriculum that goes with it it&#8217;s very interesting to hear all sides of the story so we&#8217;re telling our side and there&#8217;s a lot of it&#8217;s not really uh it&#8217;s it&#8217;s great I mean they did a wonderful job the National Park Service people seen it at Glacier and they said this is the most one of the best put together Lewis and Clark perspective that they&#8217;ve seen and uh so we have that with us today right behind us is my son who was the star one of the stars in the reenacment we&#8217;re selling it uh it is great uh we selling it for $25 it cost us $100,000 put together a professional film crew from Indianapolis I I was getting my head into a lot of money so I owe money but it&#8217;s great we&#8217;re getting it we&#8217;re getting it accomplished and uh you can purchase that and also black feet stories in there and you know I always like to say and but I&#8217;ll ask for questions and you know I always think of my elders and I have the most up respect for them because theyve given me all my wisdom and knowledge and God&#8217;s raised the traditional way of my people and uh have a lot of respect for my elders but if I could speak to my elders a long long long time ago I would tell them many things have changed since you&#8217;ve been gone but some things still remain the same they&#8217;re very mysterious but yet we need them on our everyday life and that&#8217;s love Faith and Hope thank you and God bless each and every one of you if you have any questions thank you the CDs right there if you like to if anybody has any questions please raise your hand I&#8217;ll bring the microphone around so everybody can hear you did we have any questions for curly bear there we go hold on how many Buffalo how many Buffalo would it take to feed a family win in the winter time uh a cow Buffalo could produce about uh 600 lb of meat uh they weighed about 12200 lb uh so about half it was in meat and that uh that that meat Source would last them just a little over a month CU they consume a lot of food they could sit down and they could consume two to three pounds of meat at one sitting so that&#8217;s a lot of buffalo meat and we&#8217;re still meat eaters today good all right we eat the beef today here did you uh did you uh did your divisions of the tribe did they migrate across back and forth the plains for the hunting areas or something well they tried to migrate into the black feet country but we wouldn&#8217;t let them The Bu oh the Buffalo black feet stayed from uh from which is now Edmonton Alberta down to the Teton country that was we stayed we didn&#8217;t migrate from that we we wandered we was novatic yeah we wanded we didn&#8217;t grow any kind of crops we wandered all over yeah yeah no uh most people use see they they call them uh uh Lodge circles and when I first started doing archaeology work I was walked into the archaeologist say I said what you doing he&#8217;s measuring your Lodge well you&#8217;re going to have to go out a couple more feet if you get our right measurements on it because that&#8217;s inside of our liner we we uh rocked our liners down and we pegged our Tepe our lodges down because my goodness if we rocked our lodges down we how in the world is the smoke going to get out huh and if we rock them down the wind blows hard in our country our lodges had to be flexible huh they had to be able to move and if they rock down they&#8217;d rip or we find them in Chicago somewhere yeah there were uh you had the Apaches down in that part of the country and the commanches and Kwa I&#8217;m sorry I me Montana yeah say Arizon yeah I said Arizona yeah oh yeah yeah I do archaeology work on I we see a lot of that stuff all over the place yeah thank any other questions right here over here contact with the black feet in the Lewis and Clark uh Expedition happened uh on on their return trip yeah uh did the black feed Nation know uh that they were going through this area in 180 did the black feet knew that they were going through our area we knew that they were coming up because word was sent from us from when they wintered with the Mandan uh the grant came through that part of the country and there were allies we knew of these people coming up they had nothing to offer to us meaning nothing to trade so we didn&#8217;t want to bother with them because we were quite busy people in the summertime we just have a few wants to gather berries hunt get our robes in preparation for the winter and so we Wen there were just another we didn&#8217;t you know there were just people passing through we we didn&#8217;t care who they were Lewis and Clark didn&#8217;t make any difference to them but they had nothing so we call them nothing people they were coming through that nothing to trade we didn&#8217;t bother him we seen them going going up the river we P them I mean might have been hunting Buffalo or taking horses and would have interrupted us we had to listen to their uh dog and pony show all right well thank you curly bear for presenting here in the 10 to many voices he curly bear is going to be back out at his table with his DVDs so I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d be happy to answer any more questions you have out there our next presentation in here</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad to have you with us this is the tent of many voices and it is part of a traveling exhibit that has been following the Lewis and Clark Trail since January of 2003 started in monachello the place of Jefferson&#8217;s dream went on across through the eastern states then from St Louis to the Mandan villages in &#8216; 04 in &#8216; 05 from the Mandan Villages all the way to the Pacific Ocean and now here we are in &#8216; 06 and we&#8217;re doing the return Journey just as and Clark did 200 years ago and we&#8217;re delighted to be here at pompy&#8217;s Pillar thank you all very much for inviting us here and thank you all for coming out to visit with us and to see all the festivities that are going on here this is a commemoration of that event 200 years ago Lewis and Clark crossed the continent and they could not have done it alone if they if it had just been Lewis and Clark it would have been another of those failed expeditions to the West so with that in mind I&#8217;d like you to remember the people who assisted Lewis and Clark on their Journey the Native Americans gave them food they gave them directions and they often helped them with their transportation needs so with that I&#8217;d like to introduce you to our next speaker today we have with us Conrad fiser who is a member of the Northern Cheyenne tribe he is also the tribal historic preservation officer and an educator at Chief Dull Knife College he&#8217;s going to be talking about Northern Cheyenne history culture so let&#8217;s please make him welcome thank you very much first of all I&#8217;d like to thank uh Mary Ellen and and the rest of the folks for inviting me over here to be part of this signature event Clark on the Yellowstone as I was leaving this morning I wasn&#8217;t sure exactly how long it was going to take to get here and as I was about 20 mil away I noticed that time was getting a little short so I thought to myself well I said if I&#8217;m late I&#8217;m going to have to come up with something for for being late and I thought about the about Indian time and how Indian time usually means you&#8217;re either 15 20 minutes early or 15 or 20 minutes late so fortunately uh I didn&#8217;t have to use that but uh that did cross my mind real real quick I needed to use some excuse this is actually the first time I&#8217;ve been here and uh it&#8217;s such a wonderful site to see all the folks that are gathered here as part of this signature event I know there&#8217;s a lot of folks from out of town that are also part of it and many different tribes when I had gotten a call to do the presentation I wasn&#8217;t exactly sure what this would entail and I think it&#8217;s mostly based on the audience and wanting to uh at least tie something into the Lewis and Clark event I guess I should first start off and say that uh the Cheyenne people had some kind contact with the the uh explorers that came from St Louis limited contact over near the uh present day border of North Dakota and South Dakota along the Missouri River however it was very very short uh one of our some of the leaders at the time had uh refused or rejected the medal that was was offered by Lewis and Clark and this was based on the prophet sweet medicine who said that uh um and he was a prophet that gave us our spiritual ceremonial ways the structure the political structure of the of the cheyen people in one of his prophecies he mentioned that someday we will encounter this Strang looking man with hair on his face and that he will bring with him an animal with a long man a strange animal and that we were not to be part of uh his enticements because if we do and he would also bring a strange animal with split hooves and the Animals meat would be sweet and that we would take a liking to this meat and then we would be under the uh opes of this strange man um and so that was part of the and there were a number of other um prophecies that he that he uh gave to the cheyen people but as far as the Louis and Clark this was something that sort of tied into to the coming of the European into what we considered our homeland the Black Hills area it was sort of uh strange that some of the prophecies that he predicted uh have come true in many way ways we&#8217; become more dependent on uh the Western way of life today we love beef beef is good uh we&#8217;re in the process of revitalizing our buffalo program and uh I think there&#8217;s a trend toward ethnicity in terms of living at least partially some of the old ways just a brief history about Lewis and Clark first of all I&#8217;d like to give you a little background on the Cheyenne people the origin of the Cheyenne people uh their migration just to give you a little background about who we are where we came from where we went what our role was in the shaping of the Western Plains Wars many of you may or may not know that the Cheyenne were involved in many battles with the US government uh during the 1800s and we sort of shaped the plain&#8217;s Indian uh history along with several other tribes one of the last tribes to to uh throw in the tow so to speak uh many of you know the battle of the Little Big Horn or as we call it where long hair was wiped away I&#8217;ll be talking a little bit more about it here uh later just like to thank everybody for being here here and me being part of this uh my Indian name is Travoy been passed down from many generations with the Cheyenne and with lot of tribes the people the faces may come and go but the names are always carried down in a lineal sense so the name Travoy has been with our family for many generations normally those are those names are inherited um through your lineal descent the Northern Cheyenne are part of the Algonquian speaking language family the alangan speakers include uh the Ottawa the Mohan the kapoo the poaty the cre the black feet and our closest family or the closest language family would be the arapo uh and this is based us on oral history and also on uh linguists who can trace the languages back to their mother language and if you put all that together our history start in the uh Hudson Bay Area in fact that&#8217;s where a lot of lot of tribes have their origin stories the land of many many lakes or Turtle Island and as our oral histories indicate we call this time the ancient time where there was no horses no dogs cold weather we were mostly hunter gatherers didn&#8217;t have the bowl and arrow used Spears fished in The Lakes uh and this can be verified through um scientific data and also through our oral histories sometime there was an event that occurred a pressure that moved the Cheyenne Southward in our oral histories it indicates that there was great disease that forced the movement and also famine into the uh Great Lakes area in our oral histories uh it says that we had crossed the great Marsh so great was the marsh that our Scouts were uh afraid to cross this vast Marsh for the fear of being lost and it was uh they used long poles to be able to find their way around and as we know it today it&#8217;s on the western part of the Great Lakes area and uh we lived in the close to the Min to the Great Lakes area for a while uh cultivated uh wild rice fished small game Hunters ate a lot of bird um there&#8217;s a hill there that is called uh Hill of the skunks and in this area we we uh had an annual skunk hunt and uh so we feasted on skunks every fall I&#8217;m not sure if I do that today I&#8217;ve never eaten a skunk but uh that&#8217;s part of our oral histories I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ve got a skunk Society or not but uh and also um this was the time of the bow and arrow in our histories we call it the time of the bow and arrow so if you look at it from a scientific perspective it&#8217;s probably 1,500 2,000 years ago that&#8217;s about the time scientists say that the bow and arrow was uh invented here in the northern country little later on we uh moved even further south into the down to the Missouri and where the Minnesota River Cross and by and that was during the 1600s between the 16 hundreds and 1700s we became let me back up just a little bit in the in Minnesota we lived in small Dome shaped huts and uh then by the 16 1700s we started moving Westward lot of pressure from the Eastern tribes uh kind of a trickle effect we became part of the Corn Belt which is the area where you grow a lot of corn and tobacco and beans and squash that sort of thing and at that point we became a sedentary tribe conducive for farming and because of the pressure there we slowly moved our way northward into the dtas all the way up to North Dakota in Southeastern North Dakota is a river called Cheyenne River starts with an S the Sue call it where the Cheyenne plant corn and that&#8217;s a documented Palisade or what is commonly known as the beasterfeld site so his in historical times and also in our oral history and also uh from other tribes that was a known Cheyenne uh Fort and uh as we started going Westward we start to see instability of of the climate um at that point we we moved suddenly Southwest we had a lot of pressure from caboy uh they by this time they had acquired the gun whereas we still had the bow and arrow and we have many stories about the defeat by the Asino and the chipas because of of the their ability to acquire the gun before the Cheyenne folks did by the early 1700s we had moved into the Missouri area and at this time we had acquired the horse so we went from a fishing bird gather wild rice cultivators to a to another transition to being farmers and now we were in another transition phase into a horse culture and at this time we also became allies with the araro and had a loveh relationship with Mandan and the groan and of course the feared a cine boy because of their their uh the technology that they had acquired from the fur Traders further up north and it&#8217;s about this time in the late 1700s that we start seeing visitors from the west from the north and from the south there was actually uh folks from Mexico that would come up and visit the tribes the the uh the senary tribes the Mandan rarra and Hada and in our oral histories um we have stories about um M the Mexicans coming up north to visit uh the Black Hills area about this time there&#8217;s some confusion whether or not not the Cheyenne had actually uh met the the uh non indan non-indians and it was at this time that we discovered our the center of our universe and that would be beb or as we call it NOA this became this is where we we found our political social structure this is where the Prophet sweet medicine uh gave the arrows the sacred bundle of the Cheyenne people we were also in that phase of becoming a horse culture we we were still growing tobacco and corn but we&#8217; plant and then we go out to the Plains and uh acquire food the Buffalo was the primary source of food at this time and it was at this one of these times when the Cheyenne had planted food on another river called the Cheyenne River starting with a CA that uh and they plant this corn and what they did was they&#8217;d have these Plum bushes for most of you they&#8217;re familiar with Plum bushes they have these thorny Thorns coming out and what they did was they tie the plum bushes together and they&#8217;d make a fence to keep out other animals particularly Buffalo and deer and during one of their return trips to harvest the corn they noticed strange Footprints and they weren&#8217;t moccasin Footprints these had a strange uh print to them and they they couldn&#8217;t figure out who it was but we do know that there was uh uh routes being traveled by by Mexicans and non-indians around the Black Hills area and it was about this time in 1806 I think on Lewis and Clark&#8217;s return trip that he offered the medal to the cheyan people and initially it was refused but eventually and the and the the purpose of that was that the cheyen knew that this was uh Bad Medicine based on the the Prophecies of our of sweet medicine so that was that was our uh encounter with Lewis Lewis and Clark the however we did ask him for to teach us how to uh trap Bieber and other pelts we didn&#8217;t know the the the the way to trap them to where they could be sold uh commercially and uh we never heard back from him after that so that was kind of our he promised he&#8217;d bring back the traps but he he never did come back we&#8217;re still waiting for him by the way although we don&#8217;t have any more Beaver so the point is moot during this time we went through this transition of being a horse culture called the time of the Buffalo from the from the Palisades in eastern North Dakota to the time we acquired the horse uh Edge just changed the social organization of the cheyen people as with many other tribes number of of advantages of the horse is that uh we didn&#8217;t look at the horse initially as being a beast of burden we looked at him as in Practical terms as feeding a lot of families so probably the first several few horses were probably good eaten until we figured figured out that they could also be used for as pack animals and of course as we know the horse has many advantages versus a dog dog can only carry so much uh weight uh movement is fairly slow whereas a horse uh you know you have a many advantages just Superior to to to the uh dog to the canine and uh so it changed dramatically the way we viewed our hunting our Warfare um our trade it became a trade item of value to the to the sedentary tribes further north and this would be the Mandan and Hada and raro um so we sort of found ourselves as being middlemen as we made our way past the Black Hills and further south and the incentive for M moving south by the 18 early 1800s was that the horses uh came out of Mexico so if if you have something of value you want to go to the source and this would be to move further south and but first of all we had to uh we we had to to try to convince some of the ples Indians that were in our way to move further south and that was through Warfare and so the Kwa the pon the kamachi the crow the shishoni were some of the groups that we fought uh during that time um by the 1850s uh we were pretty well established uh all the way down to Oklahoma and New Mexico we covered uh eastern Kansas or uh Western Kansas excuse me western Nebraska all along the Rocky Mountain front in Wyoming here in Southeastern Montana uh Colorado uh and we developed um a political system where we had the Council of 10 major bands there was 10 major band of Cheyenne and you had uh out of that 10 major bands were the 44 so uh and then we had four Omen Chiefs that sort of made up the structure of the of the Cheyenne and this was also the beginning of the if we look at the horse we start to see this phenomenon called the uh counting coup and I think that was evident in many Plains tribes became more of a status uh symbol uh Rank and Prestige and the the idea of course is to touch the enemy without killing it e either with your hand or or with this uh stick the killing of an enemy was secondary but the primary purpose of receiving recognition was to count coup on on the enemy and also the scalping was also uh uh considered a trophy but it was it was also not the primary purpose for for uh getting recognition and so horse stealing became sort of a uh a real special skill and the cheyen were no different than any other tribe in in acquiring these types of skills became very very expert Horsemen this was the beginning of the separation between the northern bands and the southern bands of the Cheyenne people this was also the beginning by 1850s of Westward Movement uh to California and some of the the other places Santa Fe Trail became established uh later the Oregon Trail and much later the Boseman Trail so you start to see these divisions and of course this led to uh many many wars for the Cheyenne people not only were they warn with uh primarily at this point the pan the Kwa the shishoni and the crow uh but also with uh the US government at time as I mentioned we found ourselves in the um mids of a of a this uh Buffalo trade forts bent was established in Southeastern Colorado to trade with Buffalo we still were friendly with the tribes over in in North Dakota we still had these ties with them uh we traded horses for guns and other Western Goods um we we sort of deviated from making arrowheads because by that time metal points were were the choice of use and metal kettles number of other things uh European Beads number of European trade items but the primary Focus was Buffalo and uh by that time there was it was just a a traumatic change for the Cheyenne people not only for the for the uh Cheyenne but also for the animals as well I always uh say that you know there was a number of different diseases that were coming into to the Plains Indians at the time small pox was was one of the uh primary diseases but also with the animals the Buffalo uh acquired brucelosis from the exotic animals coming in from uh uh Europe so it wasn&#8217;t only just the and also plants so it wasn&#8217;t just the people but it was also the animals and the plants that were being affected uh tremendously really a time of instability because you have uh not only changing to a horse culture but also the of Western Civilization into what we call considered uh Cheyenne territory so just a tremendous change for the Cheyenne people in terms of their political structure their social structure and also the whiskey Traders coming in from Mexico so we kind of took a liken to those to that fire water also not very good for us and as a result of this conflict the gold rush in California westward migration uh Discovery discovery of gold in the Pikes Peak uh and also the Black Hills in the early 1860s uh number of events occurred and that would be the plains Wars um the first Treaty of the Cheyenne was the friendship treaty and that was near the Black Hills and later on there was another other treaties Fort laramy Treaty of 1851 another treaty in 1865 and then uh 1868 Fort laramy Treaty of course none of them none of them ever held they were all broken so but we tried to we tried to be friendly and and make treaties as a result of these conflicts uh we have a whole host of battles that I just want to name a few that may or may not sound familiar uh the fort fetman fight uh in Wyoming occurred in the mid 80s M mid 1800s gentleman was bragging about how he could uh ride through Indian uh country with 80 men um and come out Victorious while he was half right he drove into Indian into a bunch of Indians but he he never made it out so uh so his prediction was half true uh the wagon box fight is another one here Wyoming um and these all occurred in the mid 18 hundreds the Powder River Battle where we start to see the rounding up of Indians that weren&#8217;t uh didn&#8217;t necessarily want to go to reservations and these are all Cheyenne battles the uh Tongue River Skirmish Battle of the Rose some of you probably know that that was a Prelude to the battle of the Little Big Horn and of course the most famous that everybody knows is the Battle of the old big horn and also after that after that battle was uh Chief D knife P battle uh with the US government and after that was the Wolf Mountain battle um or Battle of B Billy but let me just go back to the fetman we call it 100 in hand because of the fact that uh one of our spiritual leaders had had a vision that 100 soldiers would be handed to the Cheyenne people so the Cheyenne know that battle as 100 in hand the battle of the Rose but we know this battle as where the girl saved her brother during the battle the uh one of the uh Warriors was caught in a crossfire and his horse was shot under him and uh there was in impending um death looming the sister who had actually been part of the the uh battle saw this and she ran the gauntlet to save her brother and came back and this was witnessed by uh a number of Warriors and also by the calvary and so the Cheyenne know this as where the sister saved her brother Battle of the Little Big Horn is what we know as where long hair was wiped away uh and it we call it that because early on uh during the battle of the was in Oklahoma in 196 1866 General George Armstrong kuster had a battle with the Cheyenne he did capture a village but some of his men were killed there and after that battle was over he smoked the pipe with the with our sacred Arrow keeper Keeper of the arrows and after the after the smoke the ashes were wiped on the ground on his boot the sacred Arrow keeper wiped the ashes into the ground and when you smoke a pipe you&#8217;ve you&#8217;ve committed yourself to to keeping that promise and that sort of sealed his his Destiny according to the Cheyenne that if he ever fought the Cheyenne Again that his his ashes would be wiped into the ground so today the Cheyenne know this battle as where long hair was wiped away so we had this uh intimate relationship with Lon hair Wolf Mountain the Battle of Wolf Mountain was after the Battle of Little Big Horn and we we know it as where big Crow danced in front of the soldiers he was a warrior that uh to show his bravery would dance in front of the soldiers and shoot at them um uh to show his bravery and his medicine and uh unfortunately after the four third time of dancing uh he was mortally wounded but the odds were against his favor anytime you see a bunch of people shooting at you and you&#8217;re going back and forth you&#8217;re probably going to get shot soon or later and that&#8217;s kind of what happened here and of course when we were we finally uh threw in the tow in 18 uh 77 the spring of 1877 we were moved down to Oklahoma to Indian Territory a lot of you know that this was considered Indian Territory a lot of the Eastern tribes were moved over to Oklahoma territory in a uh event called the Trail of Tears uh the Cheyenne were no different some of the Southern bands had already established a reservation there uh for the northern bands this was a long trip on foot we stayed there for a year and a half by 7 1878 um through the leadership of Chief D knife and Chief littlewolf and some others wildhog um Turkey Leg some of those folks we decided we wanted to come back up to our Northern home Homeland we felt this this was our our homeland and it was an incredible journey of endurance and uh unfortunately part of the band was captured in Fort Robinson and uh Northwestern Nebraska and there they broke out a lot of folks were killed finally we made it to our homeland here in the North Country uh and in 1884 the Northern Cheyenne reservation was established uh here in Southeastern Montana in the present Community called lame deer and uh it&#8217;s an area that we hold dear to our hearts and that um uh we we try to maintain its uh PR pristine condition we&#8217;ve we&#8217;ve uh not allowed any type of natural um or Economic Development terms of our mineral resources because our our ancestors fought long and hard to secure this area for for the northern cheen people um another battle was the San Creek battle I don&#8217;t know how many of you know about it but it was in uh um Colorado so we had a long hard uh history with the US government the shaping of federal Indian policy here on PLS uh the last confrontation was on during the reservation days when uh a couple of young gentlemen decided that because they had killed a cow they weren&#8217;t going to go to to jail they said we&#8217;d rather die as Cheyenne Warriors and so they the night before they uh camped on a on a but and they told everybody they said bring the soldiers bring the Indian police cuz tomorrow we&#8217;re going to ride down this hill and we&#8217;re going to die as Cheyenne Warriors and this was during the reservation days uh and that&#8217;s what they did the next day they rode down in front of a firing line consisting of soldiers out of my city and also the local Indian police uh one of them head Chief made it through the line the other one uh was killed as he was coming down the hill so that was the last confrontation with the US government was in 1890 and that was during the reservation period today we have close to 450,000 Acres of reservation land uh in Southeastern Montana vast coal reserves there um Ira form a government Indian reorganization Act or the Howard wheeler act um and that sort of briefly covers the Northern Cheyenne people uh at this time I know I seen the hand go up five minutes but uh like to ask if there&#8217;s any questions that you have that I might be able to answer I know that was quick and you probably didn&#8217;t know what I said but that&#8217;s okay yes was it common to have have um a woman be interested in being a warrior to go to a battle that sort of thing that&#8217;s a good question the question is uh when the battle of the roseb but occurred the woman saved her brother how often did they were they participants in every battle depended on the situation uh more than likely the older women would be um would do the the uh caretaking uh making uh prepar ations for those that were wounded um some of the older women never you know they were just as stressed as those that were fighting out there but yes there were women warriors within the tribe that did participate in uh in the battles in fact there&#8217;s a Cheyenne proverb that goes something like this and I may not have exactly the quote but I&#8217;ve I&#8217;ve uh mentioned this a number of times uh no matter how strong a Nation or how powerful their weapons the nation is not defeated until the hearts of the women are on the ground so I think that&#8217;s a very powerful tribute to a woman warrior among the Cheyenne people thank you for asking that question anybody else if you&#8217;ll raise your hand we&#8217;ll come around with a microphone and and everyone can hear your question a couple of things that you left out we had an article in the paper recently where Dr Joseph medicine Crow noted that counting coup also included killing an enemy raiding the horses of others and then leading into battle and those all caused loss of Indian lives and I also noticed that you left out the battle where the cheyen warrior tallbull was killed by retaliating paon forces with the help of the US Army and Massacre Canyon which also involved the paon you have a question so why did you leave those out well if if uh I guess if we had old day I we could get into intimate detail and just the response to to uh medicine Crow I think that uh every tribe is unique in their perspective of what counting coup is so to say that Joe medicine Crow version is indicative of all tribes uh is is very wrong and so you know he may be right according to the crow but the Cheyenne have their own unique uh interpretation of counting coup and I think that&#8217;s that&#8217;s really the wrong attitude to have when you start to generalize about Native Americans and that they were a simp and give them a simplistic view of who they were just because they lived in teepees doesn&#8217;t mean that uh every tee was the same very unique and diverse and in their own ways so thank you for bringing that question up and I hope that answers your question have a question back here we could talk about it some more later but you know we I&#8217;ve only got uh 40 minutes to do this uh normally when I talk about the history of the Cheyenne it takes me one semester to do this so you know this is very brief and to talk about a specific incident such as TBO U I think that&#8217;s a defeats the purpose of talking about the history of the Cheyenne people yes uh you mentioned briefly the effects of small poox on your tribe and I would like to have you enlarge on that because from what I understand decimate is not the right word to use because it only means one tenth of the people killed and I know the most of the tribes lost many many more more than than some up to 90% and how did that affect the tribal order and the tribal history good question uh with any group I think that when you lose the majority of your people you&#8217;re losing a lot of people that have specialized skills and I&#8217;m looking at it from a anthropological perspective you&#8217;re looking at a lot of talent you&#8217;re looking at your spirituality you&#8217;re looking at your mother and father you&#8217;re looking at your sisters your brothers uh you&#8217;re looking at Warriors that have a chained a certain status so in essence you&#8217;re losing your history your way of life and that can you know we all know that can be devastating uh if not only if to disease but to Warfare I mean you know not only were they losing to other diseases but you know when you have Warfare you&#8217;re also losing a lot of Young Warriors uh to those particular events so yes um I would say that this was uh really traumatic um uh historical trauma and and we still um today we still have a lot of that embedded in our history in our stories any other questions one right here and this will probably be our last question okay if you counted Co coup on me you would receive an honor what would I receive a dishonor within my tribe how how did that work that&#8217;s a good question if you re if you if I counted coup on you and and what would that leave you you know I would uh suspect that that if you didn&#8217;t die at the at the scene and wasn&#8217;t scalped uh uh I&#8217;m not sure exactly I can&#8217;t talk for other tribes yeah but if somebody counted if you counted coup on me um I suspect that there would be some type of social control that that would address that but that&#8217;s a very good question I&#8217;m sure you wouldn&#8217;t hear the end of that for a long time especially if you were a female all right ladies and gentlemen thank you very much thank you</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of Discovery 2 and the tent of many voices this tent has been set up as an opportunity for us to learn from different individuals with different backgrounds different areas of expertise also gives us a chance to hear different sides different aspects of that Lewis and Clark story today we are very fortunate to have with us Lloyd tops Sky who is chipa walk Cree from the Rocky Boy reservation and he will be giving program on cultural language so if You&#8217; please help me welcome Lloyd topy thank you very much uh that was a good welcome I had to clap for you too because you look like you&#8217;re going to be a good audience uh as Native Americans when we greet each other you&#8217;ve probably often seen some of the sign language that we&#8217;re known for because it&#8217;s universal language and tomorrow I&#8217;d be doing the sign language within the planes but I have a commitment back home and with a youth group that I&#8217;ll be working with but when don&#8217;t we see each other uh from different reservations or different communities among our the plains tribe we go like this to each other when we wave at each other or look at each other we do that that&#8217;s a sign language universal language that means good and so if you ever look at the CM Russell Prince sometimes you&#8217;ll see some of the the illustrations there indicate that when they meet each other they&#8217;re going to have a hand up like this and what they&#8217;re doing in that is there they&#8217;re giving the language good so that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m doing to you today I&#8217;m glad to see all of you and I feel good about it and seeing you here today but um I&#8217;m a uh Adjunct professor at MSU Northern in h Montana and I&#8217;ve taught there for a while and I teach the cre language there and sometimes I have a a good turnout of students that are non Indian so when we have a class we um I&#8217;m used to seen a lot of non-indian faces within my class they say they&#8217;d rather take that than take in French or Spanish or German they&#8217;d rather see something that they&#8217;re going to you utilize within the community of H and I once I had been in in the hospital in Hab Montana and this guy started talking to me in my language and I thought yeah I was answering him and uh then he says do you remember me and I said no I turned around and here it was that guy he was a student of mine and he was talking C to me in there and I got a good kick out of that one but I&#8217;ll remember that for a long time but he took that because he can speak to people that were admitted into the hospital and and have her somewh in long-term care and some were were there shortly but some are in dialysis and different places and and surgery and they need people in there to kind of relate to the language of the people that that utilize that facility but those are the reasons why a lot of them are enrolled there but um again I I also taught the chipa language which is another form of the alonquin language the family tree of our language and uh that comes from the Great Lakes area and into Canada and the cree language extends down from Canada into the mountain the Rocky Mountain Area here so that&#8217;s a brief background of our of our tribal ways we&#8217; are actually refugees from the Canadian area and also the Great Lake area that&#8217;s where here due to Western span expansion that we we arrived at this area here so that gives you a little a little background of our tribe here and um uh the language itself is made up of an alonquin language which is made up about oh about 50 or 40 Tribe 40 50 tribes and in the in the this area here there&#8217;s about three or four Algonquin families they&#8217;re the black feet tribe that&#8217;ll be up here Northern Glacier country that&#8217;s now gonin tribe we have the chip was they&#8217;re in the area here we have the cre they&#8217;re Al gonin and then we go back outside a little bit further we run into the shaune tribe down in Oklahoma the Delware tribe and then we have different tribes scattered out the Mohan Indians out toward the East uh you&#8217;ll see a lot of Al gonan words out there but today I&#8217;m going to guarantee you when you walk out of this tent you&#8217;re going to know at least 8 to 10 terms a cre and you&#8217;re going to you&#8217;re going to live with those the rest of your life and these are words you&#8217;ll always know on the definitions and you&#8217;re going to remember them forever until until uh until the sun will shine no more forever I think I heard that someplace before and the Ricks the cricks Run dry or so anyway um going back into the philosophies and culture that we speak of today this is a cultural Exchange in diversity hopefully that gave you a little background and understanding of where we came from and there there were at least 500 languages on this continent here of North America and Canada they say that the alanin language is the largest speaking tribe of people in in the North American continent and statistics and the census show that the Navajo Nation is the largest tribe in the United States but the cre that that we&#8217;re uh introducing today is the largest tribe in North America so those those two estimates are true but they don&#8217;t count the cre as being the largest tribe of the continent of North America so it is a widely known tribe goes all the way from this area back into New York and that area so I&#8217;d like to just go ahead and start right now uh we&#8217;re going to identify this area here as we come through Lewis and Clark had traveled in this area he came down the Missouri River and as we talk about Missouri River he had ran into rivers that were very very rapid and Swift I guess you&#8217;d known that that some of the rivers can get very bad out there in the Missouri and uh in our language when they call the rapid the Rapid River we call it SU chian suu one that means the water is really rapid and you you get in there and it&#8217;ll just flow you down the river as fast as you you could possibly go and those there&#8217;s dangers involved in that so that&#8217;s the word so getu one and that that&#8217;s the word there and then in there when you go into the rivers and stuff you&#8217;ll see little names running off the CCS or running toward the river of uh the Missouri you&#8217;ll see these little words are CP CP those means ccs that go toward the the river so those that&#8217;s a subject matter today as we talk about the the different areas of this mountains here and in the terrain here soan is a water that runs rapid and as you as we talk about things we talk about pollution in this area and then we we we talk about places pollution is so strong here in some areas that pollution runs off and we say that word notos so we talk about it&#8217;s better to have a place that&#8217;s pure with the way the ground is and the earth and the air we talk about pure ground so we say so that&#8217;s uh the definitions of the nice clean air we have around in this area the next one is where I&#8217;m going to go into animals and boy you probably come across the area where you smell that strong smell it&#8217;s kind of very fumigating in your body it just clears your nostrils and what would that be skunk we call that a seog seog that&#8217;s what we say oh boy that seog is too much you know it&#8217;s Cog one getting plug your nose you know that&#8217;s one of the things you&#8217;ll find the open air here that&#8217;s about the only thing we smelled long ago was to to kind of dampen the air here would be shag that meant that it was very very strong in the smell and also we talk about the uh different animals we had here and stuff from one of the who&#8217;s a hunter in here who&#8217;s one of our Mighty hunters and in here must have did a little bit of hunting boy we&#8217;re all conservative huh con the only thing we hunt is down at IG or Albertson&#8217;s to get our meat anyhow uh who&#8217;s familiar with the word w te okay that&#8217;s a familiar so see W te actually means and so what that means is the elk has a white rump and that&#8217;s how they describe it that&#8217;s how they describe that elk now that&#8217;s an animal that we&#8217;re very familiar with in Montana Boseman boy they&#8217;re bow and arrow crazy here and they gun crazy and boy they take weeks off to go hunting over here a lot of people hunt just really a good a good exercise and also a good thing to do also we talk about tribes that we had who&#8217;s familiar the uh the uh tribes around here who who knows that some of the tribes around in the area okay give me one okay black feet okay Flathead groon Crow cinin okay those are all tribes there&#8217;s one little boy in a bike just rode in and said I know one show shony okay most those words derived from uh from the traders that came here the French the story I heard about the black feed was when the Indians were first noticed in this area that they had a lot of black black uh feet on their moxin their feet were black that was because there&#8217;s a a roaring fire that went through and they walked across and did some hunting and when the French came here or whoever they disc discovered them first they had uh black feet on there and also the Flathead were known for having been put in a cradle and they had a board put on their head and that&#8217;s how their their children grew with a flat forehead and you know and these little kids they&#8217;re U when they&#8217;re little they call them TIG or you direct that L that little boy so that&#8217;s how they would say that when these little kids are very tiny they have lot of words that indicate that too they believe in the mythology as we refer to today is as a the little people and I think they call them dorfs or the little people in in in Western thought of Mythology of of the little people that they have too in in their culture but here they also had people that up and um these are some of the uh ways also if you look back at that Tepe back there that&#8217;s known as uh we go we go from the people that that that live there we that&#8217;s what that meant we and so these are terms that we use throughout the time to to know that we means your or them and also who&#8217;s uh what do you what do you call your shoes shoes that&#8217;s what you call them all right and we call them the same thing thing in in our language too we call them musna and what that means you can term those as boots shoes or slippers or anything anything that covers your feet we we refer to those as musk and U these are parts of the clothing that we have um in this in this culture too when we refer to animals we refer to Montana as being a a protector of U conversation of the conservative people that that conserve animals here we talk about the wolf as being a as being a protected animal within the forest here in cre we call him mahik and he&#8217;s a protected animal here too mahik and so these words that we talk about here uh we talk about the land being pure and and uh how it feels and to be here and open there and the waters also being defined area as being polluted in in cre we call it a a that&#8217;s what that means the water we then we say a particular place we say that means that the water is very dirty and stinky so we can apply that to things that are very polluted right now so we call that so as we go back into our language we see all these patterns of things that are important around our area here there through the culture and the gift from from God and we we look at it in a beautiful way and so I want to start right now by saying have you heard anything in within that definition that I gave about the nouns that I presented has anybody in there um perceived anything that we applied to the English language did anybody hear anything in there nobody anybody okay Blackfoot okay moccas you heard of that huh okay good that&#8217;s very your very uh uh really Keen sense of hearing there moccasin I said we said that we talked about that I said muskin that&#8217;s where the word mockasin came from in our society musk sin okay that&#8217;s one term when you leave here you&#8217;re going to know that word mus moxen that means musen that&#8217;s a cre word okay anybody else he another word what was that anybody Wigwam good you hear the word uh Wigwam Wigwam that&#8217;s a cre word that meant that their Lodge that&#8217;s what that means their Lodge and so that&#8217;s two now you learned two terms anybody else here another word seog what that what do you think means stink what what stinks yes skunk yeah okay Chicago Chicago means shagu it really stinks okay that&#8217;s three you&#8217;ve learned anybody else learned another word in our content TP okay that was Wigwam any others W he heard that right away w w means white rump and that&#8217;s wasu WAP that&#8217;s what they meant the elk has a white rump it&#8217;s what you heard WAP te that&#8217;s the a word they use here all the time I mean even we don&#8217;t know the word sometimes we say hey they&#8217;re going to go I think they&#8217;re going to get a and all the creaser on well what is that you know they don&#8217;t even know their language sometimes it&#8217;s kind of reversed into a different a different sounding word what else did you hear how about the rapid water when I said soet one did you hear anything in there sayu one holy smoke that was a very keen AED person Saskatchewan I think she&#8217;s she&#8217;s doing better than my wife here and learning some of it&#8217;s new to her no I&#8217;m just kidding uh Saskatchewan okay that&#8217;s five anybody else hear anything okay well how about when I said CP what does that kind of catch the tune of a word nationally and internationally known all over the world in other places okay what if you made it bigger it would be Mississippi the Big River or the Big Creek that&#8217;s another word that&#8217;s six Mississippi okay somebody said no sir okay no I&#8217;m kidding okay how about the word when I said AB Abu did you hear anything in there Abu that means Sue Indian Sue remember we we we talk about the Sue tribe the lotas well that&#8217;s Sue that&#8217;s where they got the word when we wanted to intimidate them when we wanted to make war against them we&#8217;d say up the little people let&#8217;s go ahead and knock the tar out of them today you know and take take all their women and forget their horses but that was Sue that&#8217;s where it came from excuse me how about uh mahik can you think of anything that sounds like Mikan mohin oh boy there&#8217;s another one there Mohan probably heard of The Last mohin by the famous famous author James ww Longfellow I think that was his name I just made that it sounded good okay moan how about how about a state what sounds like moan that&#8217;s a State Michigan holy smoke these guys are ahead of me Michigan okay now we&#8217;re down to eight now what&#8217;s left boy I don&#8217;t have anything left do you think you guys clean me out here words okay that&#8217;s 10 turn terms you learned these are all cre words but just a different sounding way of saying it in the English language for instance in h it&#8217;s not Indian word but H when the French got a hold of that word they called it La larve and when they got when we got a hold of it we messed it all up and said have her and then there&#8217;s there&#8217;s old stories that go back into how they changed that word and how got to be have her there&#8217;s a couple guys are fighting and and they were so fed up with the the fight that finally the other guy well go ahead you can have her after he got the tar knock out him that&#8217;s how the name came out to be H Montana but they never tell you they&#8217;ll they&#8217;ll come up with a real fancy way of saying it was the French had called it laar they always say that it was these two drunk guys that fought over a woman but those are names of the things that we know in our area have uh the chip was have named a lot of words in in their their places in min soda and the Great Lakes area there&#8217;s a lot of names I hear there I think there&#8217;s a song they had long too long ago the uh the boat that God lost out there was a mitoi or something like that I think some of you might have heard that it&#8217;s a real old song but that song is the the lake that&#8217;s very big and the monster that got those guys that that W monster got was under the water well that&#8217;s a legend of the chipa but he sings it into a tune where you can&#8217;t understand what what he&#8217;s saying but that&#8217;s that&#8217;s actually a tune of that of the chipo language that turned into a contemporary song but those are some of the things that I&#8217;m glad that I got to show you some words that you already knew all this time so I&#8217;m not telling you anything you don&#8217;t know I guess but uh I just gave you a brief rundown definitions and the way we say them but uh I&#8217;d like to go ahead and go over to some of you folks in here and see if anybody wants to ask me any kind of a question something you always wanted to ask but didn&#8217;t want to ask anybody like me okay anybody okay we got one and I have a microphone that I can come around so we can all hear your question that&#8217;s a good idea yes this has to do with sign language was that is sign language Universal or was each tribe uh it was it peculiar to each tribe okay that&#8217;s a good question in the Plains area there was so many tribes that had about uh they say there was about over 100 tribes in this area here in the Plains area all the way from some of the tribes that you spoke black feet Flathead Crow CVO Grove on uh the different tribes that that we had here but there&#8217;s more that extended down the Shoni knew the language the crows the cheyen uh the excuse me Mandan hota rarra and different lotas had Dakota Lota and they had the cabins up in Canada and there were just a whole bunch of tribes the reason why that came about there&#8217;s so many dialects that they couldn&#8217;t communicate all in one language so they they devised a hand a hand signed signal system that would indicate what they were saying for for home you crossed you crossed your hands into a point with your two index fingers that meant home which actually an indication illustrating that is a teepee and when you went to go go and to your teepe you wanted to eat you&#8217;d make that sign language of putting something in your mouth and then if you wanted to buy something You&#8217; put your two index fingers and cross them together that meant you&#8217;re trading but now we called it buying so that that was a thing about buying and so those are some of the the signs that they had everybody had that universal language packed down to to knowing everything about your age how old You&#8217; be and how what what people were there what tribe they were if they were white if they were black if they were Flathead Indian or or Japanese or whatever people were here all the Races they they indicated through sign language what they were and so that was that was the purpose of that because there&#8217;s so many languages that they couldn&#8217;t all talk the same language similar to The Babylon story where there&#8217;s so many languages involved there that EV eventually one there was only one language but uh I think it&#8217;s kind of turning into that too like in a in a sense and and in a way that we speak today that most tribes are learning the English language as their first language and our language is decaying I should say that that not all of us know the language there&#8217;s some out there that acculturated into languages and of uh the Western the Western thought of language presentations the way they speak is there any other uh questions I think I had one more over there okay during the time of the Expedition where did the cre tribe live and did the Crees have traditional enemies and or and traditional allies good question when the when the arrival of Lewis and Clark we had had philosophers and we had practitioners we had forecasters I&#8217;m not talking about forecasters on Channel 3 but forecasters that could can tell the the future of time and when they when the future was was shaken in a particular place by a practitioner that practiced the forecast they said that when these people come across they&#8217;re going to bring a large number of people behind them but with that langu with that idea that there&#8217;s going to be a lot more there was going to be a lot of epidemic of sickness and death and what occurred after that does anybody know what occurred after the yes small poox that wiped out lit literally almost 34s of the people here and so when the cre heard about that they backed back up into the Canadian area of Saskatchewan and that&#8217;s how uh Saskatchewan in Alberta and uh Manitoba they went back in there and they stayed there for a long time until around the mid 1800s they came back down into the sweet grass area around from all the way from sweet grass all the way back to the Trenton area of North Dakota and that was where they were at our allies are actually the CBS they helped us through a lot of Wars our enemies were the forever enemies almost were the black feet today we&#8217;re comfortable with each other but we go back to the old times when black feet and the creep people were were enemies almost forever and uh those are those are the people that we had had fought for a long time the sue people are also our our most you know forever enemy almost and so those those are the people we&#8217;re friendly with who had enemies with where were we were at at the time when LS and Clark was here so if it wasn&#8217;t for the forecasters and the practitioners and the people we refer spirituality people with medicine the medicine men and the shamans that were sometimes referred to we&#8217; probably been one of the one of the U uh people that couldn&#8217;t have survived in this area too it was very terrible yes you had one question back there sir the wamp I not very sure of the from but I I think it was around from the Mohan tribe or in that area back there past the great lakes that that tribe uh also practices different ways but they&#8217;re identical to us but they&#8217;re so far back to the east of the AL gonan tribe that some of the culture that they know in definition of a certain tribe a certain thing that signified something is something we didn&#8217;t practice in our area we didn&#8217;t practice the the wamp and belt which stood for The Prestige and also the value of something we didn&#8217;t go by that value system and we didn&#8217;t go by that significance so we were very sure of what that really meant for our our people we had different ways of identifying significance of different different values here too yes anybody else two quick questions uh one do did the moccasin designs distinguish the various tribes and secondly are there dwindling numbers of purebred cre or black feet now and uh to be a member of the tribal council do you have to be a purebred full-blooded uh Native American yes yes no yes yes no I just kidding no the BL the moccasin represented different things as as he answered it was a very important way of identifying the significance moxin sometimes the baby moxin would have a little hole on the bottom of the soul that indicated the place where the Soul was not able to to be taken away by an evil spirit or something that would be a nightmarish way of harming the child so the little moxen hole at the bottom protected the child from that and so that was a way of keeping the soul of the baby as it grew into a different stage of manhood they would get different designs and moxin as an older person you may earn the the uh the right to have a certain design knowing that you are a medic Medicine Man a shaman or a practitioner of certain things those would be indicated in your moxin finally if your moxin are beat at the very bottom the top and the bottom that means those are moxin used in burials so you hardly ever see those they&#8217;re only a limited commodity those was long ago and uh sometimes they&#8217;d make those at the last minute and quill them and later on they start beating them at the bottom so when people died they put these moxin on them finally and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re called IAL moxin and sometimes it&#8217;s kind of a scary thing people didn&#8217;t have them around the house or in their camps or anything it was a very delicate thing to have around the house usually a message of of death uh anything else oh the the council yes very very good question you don&#8217;t have to be a full-blooded member you could be a quarter down to the bottom of the of the blood Quantum to be uh just as long as you&#8217;re enrolled an enroll member of that tribe that you can be a councilman a councilman has a different version today as it did before long ago it was leadership uh regarding wisdom to be kind to other people be helpful other people an ambassador of good faith from a religious background as well as a a warrior status today you could you could be involved in drugs you can be involved in alcohol you can be abuser of all these things you don&#8217;t have to have an education and all these things that we used to have have high value in are not applied and now we have a lot of mismanagement in our funds and of our management of our tribal our tribal duties that we should have long ago if you mismanaged anything you were taken from your camp like like that Tepee and takeen to a Little Thicket of trees over there and they would beat the living tar out of you if you mismanaged anything and they would your hands would be cut bad and have two black eyes and boy you couldn&#8217;t sit down for about a month but now today nothing happens I mean there&#8217;s a lot of mismanagement like in other places corporations are a good example of where mismanagement of funds are but that&#8217;s that&#8217;s the the the differences from long ago and today so that&#8217;s just a brief background of our ways I hate to say that but that&#8217;s the way it is in reality yes um how have the traditional animosities between tribes carried over to Modern Life um politically politically now we speak politically today before it was a animosity because we had did so much uh tear between each other I mean it wasn&#8217;t even safe to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and it wasn&#8217;t safe even for a baby to cry at night because the enemy was always there you never knew if they were there or not uh they used to put water in noses of babies when they started to cry cuz that was an indication there was a baby in that camp and they could steal that baby or the woman in there and kill the man and take whatever he had or they could take the the the horses that he had those are of high value and these are the things they had an animosity of fighting all the time back and forth and in one in one way uh my my aunt had said we were in through so much tear throughout the days and months and years of Our Lives that all the tribes are always against each other and that maybe maybe this is was a sign that we should go into a different pattern of getting along that&#8217;s why the white man came here because we was we was always in Terror whenever we did anything and you couldn&#8217;t even go out to the bathroom middle of the night without getting your head crushed by an enemy it was that dangerous at night and so those are the things that we went through you know that it would just payback payback payback all the time it was hardly a good a good way of living you know but it was a brave way of living that&#8217;s why we had some many warriors yes but we are friendly today we don&#8217;t do that no more you please comment on the role of the mate uh with your tribe the chipa Crees are they fully assimilated now the mate te the mate the mate te are they assimilated I I had did a lot of uh study and long ago they had called the mate te they had called them in in English the translation of their their of their group was known as the burnt wood wood people what that meant was the wood was burnt on the outside but inside it was white and so that&#8217;s the way they Define the the mate when you may meet a mate te they say they&#8217;re German they&#8217;re French and they&#8217;re uh uh any other tribe that&#8217;s from the western part and also Native American they&#8217;re chipa they&#8217;re cre Cabo and these are the tribes they are and so when you say they&#8217;re fully assimilated they&#8217;ve always had that trait with them to always play the fiddle and they&#8217;ve always even across in the 1800s when they come across them 18 a Plains he&#8217;d be sitting on his he&#8217;d be kneeling on a prairie and he would be praying to the in a Christian way so you could see that in 1800s most of the tribes are still uh conservative in their way their thoughts were in religion and the way they attended these these religious Services we call ceremonies but mate they they practiced Christianity at that time since they were met here in Plains so I think they&#8217;ve always been assimilated into the Western World all these all these times and they didn&#8217;t really attend too many too many Native American Events or activities or too many things that they would include themselves in but they were more into these newer newer things that are coming out yes chip tribe and then I&#8217;ve also read a lot about the L little shell yes little shell are actually uh the people that are the people from they mixed of mate and the tribe that were here the cre people that arrived and married any intermarried with different cultures around the area the people that were in cities like Helena but Great Falls and that&#8217;s what we call the little shell people I just gave definition of what they were in 1800s when they were here the red Cart People the Burntwood people there are different names for that for that group and they arrived here back in a long time ago actually they&#8217;re from the French area of the Great Lakes from Manitoba and Ontario and that way and as western expansion they came out this way and they developed different relationships as they came along and that&#8217;s where we get the little shell people yes was there an actual desire for those two tribes to kill one another or what was the was there any of this counting coup okay that was a good question uh we never invented killing we invented Ved coups like he said counting coup it was better to shame a person to death rather than to kill him by touching him while he a warrior if he touched him on a head and rode by his rode right by him while he armed with a spear and a knife and a bow and arrow and a shield and if you touched him that&#8217;s how close you came to death and he never even got to kill you well that shamed that person into being humiliated when he got back to his camp and that&#8217;s how we counted coup if you went over there and took his gun away from him that was even worse I mean this guy he practically lived out in the sticks by himself he was a shame to come back but that&#8217;s the way we had War long ago but black feet and cre were always at War and the one the one thing we always had as creep people we had arms we had uh rifles and knives that we got from the French traders in Great Lakes and they were we had a trade system going from the Great Lakes to the Plains area and we&#8217;re always ahead of them also another thing that we had we had practitioners that forecasted and also the the way of the medicine man he was he was the person that can predict danger within the next few days of the war war path that they would go on and so if it&#8217;s going to be good they would go on a story behind that is the one in h Montana South there&#8217;s a place called squab and there&#8217;s they say there&#8217;s a spirit up there and when the war path would go by a group of Warriors they would camp overnight there and if they&#8217;re going toward the area of the the black feet country they would stop there and they would pray overnight and if they heard the woman give the sign of a of a woman crying that meant they would turn back the next day and go back if the woman made a victory sign in her voice they would continue on and that mountain still stands there and they call it squab beute but because of the derogatory uh historic word for squa has been changed to a a woman some kind of woman Mountain up or something something like that but it&#8217;s been changed now but Squall in our language mean is squil that meant the woman that has power lives there in that mountain and so that&#8217;s a story behind that war and that story so uh those are the things Victory yes follow up on that question how do you account for the reports that when the Hada reportedly kidnapped Saka near the Three Forks that there was a number of that uh Shon band that were killed in that raid what would have happened there okay according to our cultural background I had said that we had it was unsafe to live in certain areas when you went Camp uh doing hunting or or certain areas of the country you were bound to be killed you&#8217;re bound to be captured you&#8217;re bound to be to be uh to be some way your health would be affected and this at this time time they were practicing raiding the camp and that was a victory when they took those horses and they took this young gdle back that was a victory and so there are probably a number of U captives there so that was counted as a victory at that time and that&#8217;s how they got they got a hold of this gal here that was Saga Goya is their is their name for that weah means woman in the Sue language and part of those tribes over there part of the suenan language a family tree of them uh again they have no such language in the Shoni language so I don&#8217;t know how that that came about where her name is sagaia there&#8217;s conflicts in that quite a bit where they use the Sue language in there to Define her we have a question back here yes we heard we heard a great deal about uh interpretation of the English to the French to the Hada to the U uh Shashi in uh leis and Clark history um I&#8217;m wondering how much uh sign language was actually used uh between uh Lis and Clark and their people and Indian tribes again a lot of these are real sketchy that was in the 1700s what we know we don&#8217;t have an oral literature of the the incidents that happened there was nobody there to record them all these were oral literature that was brought down from certain individuals to certain individuals even the documentary sometimes get questionable from Lewis and Clark when they when they indicate anything that happened a serious a certain time in that time when they&#8217;re in a certain area so sometimes there&#8217;s there&#8217;s conflicting things that happen because some tribes didn&#8217;t affiliate themselves with a certain activity that they did in their so it&#8217;s always questionable whether these stories they gave are actually true and I&#8217;m not the person that&#8217;s a historian all I can talk is about the culture that we practiced so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s a good question it should go to a very authorative person that was uh researched a lot on History the document the documents and other people&#8217;s uh stories in there but that&#8217;s that&#8217;s a good question I think I&#8217;m going to go ahead and close here because uh I think they&#8217;re having another I&#8217;d like to sit here all day and just speak with you and order some hamburgers and boney sandwiches and chips and potato salad but boy I think these guys go right on time here that&#8217;s one thing Native Americans do we&#8217;re always on Indian time I mean Indian time means whenever you&#8217;re going to be there whenever you&#8217;re going to leave that&#8217;s when we&#8217;re going to that&#8217;s when it&#8217;s over it starts so we never say yeah let&#8217;s go because we don&#8217;t have that kind of a schedule on our watch we always go on Indian time whenever you&#8217;re there yeah that&#8217;s right okay well I&#8217;m going to close here I guess that&#8217;s a conclusion I really enoy enjoyed you I hope when you leave here you take those words with you cuz you always knew them but now you know what they mean so uh whatever you do don&#8217;t head to Chicago okay thank you very much thank you once again Lloyd top Sky we appreciate you coming out and sharing your history and culture with us today our next presentation</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the tent of many voices my name is Aon I&#8217;m one of the Rangers who gets to travel the country with this huge exhibit we&#8217;ve been traveling for three years took us three years to get here to Browning and U we&#8217;re going to end our year this year and end the entire Bicentennial Comm ation in September at St Louis so join us there if you&#8217;re interested so it&#8217;s going to be a great ceremony there we&#8217;ve had a great time here in Browning had lots of presenters in the Ten of many voices this is going to be our last presentation of the day and of this venue if you want to continue on with us we&#8217;re going to Crow agency next week and pomp pillar the following and then we have a whole series of other venues after that but at this hour we have mayard kicking woman who is going to present to you some more drums and music from the black feed Nation some other people here to to share with you their drumming and some singing as well so let&#8217;s welcome them to the tent of many voices well first first of all I&#8217;d like to uh say you know that uh I&#8217;m great grateful and honored to be part of this uh exhibition that&#8217;s going on here I was told about this about a week ago and um you know there are so many events that are taking place every weekend in Indian Country a lot of our groups such as my group such as his group are off running to another group to another uh celebration so this is kind of like a a bad time but I want to apologize that um um to you folks that we were unable to bring a big drum here to show you uh a few things above our drumming well I&#8217;m going to explain it the significance of this drum first of all my name is Mayor kicking woman I&#8217;m here black feet tribe I was born and raised here um back in 19 I&#8217;d say about 1973 I became involved in our traditional way of life I started paying attention about what was going on around here why are we singing why are we dancing why do we do these things a long time ago I remember back when I was just a little boy I came across a drum like this I always wondered what these drums were used for I was a total stranger to our our indan way of life here never never even down on me of what I would be doing something like this my grandfather used to tell us that all the elderly people we used to live in the community what&#8217;s the Browning here down in the bottom there there was a a Coy that run miles down the road and each place there was a community a a family group that lived in one little community and um each little Community had their own little Park where we play and my grandfather used to sit out there well he was everybody&#8217;s grandfather and his grandfather way back they used to sit out early in the mornings they wouldn&#8217;t have a drum but they come up early in the morning and they would sing songs and they would pray ask blessings and ask the Creator for a new day giving thanks and you can hear them songs from far away I mean you can be sitting it was so quiet in that Valley you can hear this person well this person used to sing old man picture an old man in your mind little tiny eyes and skinny bra junifer old person John bis these are just some of the elders that we had that made songs and they belong to different societies now what I mean by Society it&#8217;s an organization that was put together by a certain group of family and they carried on that way so when you wake up in the mornings and say all of a sudden maybe you guys ended up in someone&#8217;s home and you might wake up you&#8217;re going to hear somebody way back go these were Camp c songs these songs were used in a gathering such as this that just took place over here we used to have people walk around the camps early in the morning okay that father be he&#8217;d beh around and if you&#8217;re not really familiar with that and you came across that you heard that you probably think that guy is crazy but actually it is our way that&#8217;s just the way we were brought up we hear these Camp criers theyd be singing and then they had groups drum groups will come together young people they still do that today in some tribes they&#8217;ll go to your camp and they&#8217;re going to sit right in front of your camp and they&#8217;re going to sing hey he heyy hey hey heyy hey hey heyy these are songs that they used to bring up your spirits this is why when they go to your camp they&#8217;re going to keep on singing these songs like this until you come out and give them something a gift blanket tobacco food whatever it may be a lot of people will come out and the Kee and pull the door open and set a basket of goods out there and close it go back to sleep that was the only way they can get you to get out of their place so they can sleep Camp criers is very is very significant to the Indian people but for those of you that don&#8217;t know what c chiring is this is what it&#8217;s about way back when I started 1973 I started learning I started learning I started asking questions just like this young man here he learned that by listening and paying attention when are they sitting around that drum now when I was hitting the drum like this they have a drum 10 times this size sometimes 12 13 people sitting around that drum can you imagine that 13 people you can be dead to the world in your C and all of a sudden 13 people come by and hit that drum and start singing it&#8217;ll scare the heck out of you what&#8217;s going on and then you know that&#8217;s a camp fire the only way you&#8217;re going to shut that camp fire up is you got to gift him that is what it is gift giving when a young person comes and talk to an elderly person like myself they&#8217;ll come and they&#8217;ll ask you questions they&#8217;re going to ask you can I sing this song There are some songs you can&#8217;t sing but they&#8217;re going to come and ask you for that and the best way you can do that is you bring them tobacco offering because from what I learned our Indian people made the Mother Earth all the herbs medicine all the plants was food and where I where I started learning I started picking that up okay I want to be like that guy I used to admire groups topn singing group I mean they were so popular they were in big demand it was pretty hard to have him come and do something like this and these young people such as this man here they&#8217;re carrying on that tradition this is how we keep things going on and on and on we pass it off to our younger people and they pass it off to their younger people but getting back to this drum when I was learning how to sing inan I didn&#8217;t sing very good we used to sing sing any way and people used to make fun of you and say you&#8217;re not singing good you don&#8217;t know how to sing and I said to myself in my mind there&#8217;s going to be a day there is going to be a day I&#8217;m going to be called upon to talk about my tradition what I learned it took me all that time to just recently I have my own group called The Kicking Woman singers we cook up our names there&#8217;s a lot of drum groups that have names and those names sometimes came from the family young greyhorse to medicon late squatted Eagle singers heartbe Society all these are groups even on the outside Badland singers Eagle whistlers coad Keon Ramblers Blackstone Northern age you hear just some of the songs that some of the groups actually going to hear you might go to a up here or some place along the way and you&#8217;re going to come across the same thing they drumming and you&#8217;re going to hear bunch of people hitting their drum and S that there&#8217;s no words the blackbeat people did not use words the only time they used words is when they sang A Gabite song and that was when they put a baby to S and and then sing and they Rock their babies that&#8217;s how they used to put their babies to sleep you notice that drumming is all different the first presentation that we had was round dancing ourl dancing social dancing where you came together what a big drum imagine from being about this side about 10 people I learned the hard way how to become a singer because I made some mistakes in my time as I was going along and the elderly people that used to tell me about these things they used to say be careful there&#8217;s a lot of songs out there be careful who you sing what you sing what kind of song you sing so it was very frightening because I had my children they were just small and they used to sit at the drum and sing and the old people that&#8217;s good that&#8217;s good to see those little kids druming singing so as time went on I started earning different rights earning different things I say if you work for so many years you&#8217;re going to earn a promotion that&#8217;s the same way with singing and dancing and doing all kinds of things there&#8217;s a lot of ceremonial things out there you can be part of but you have to earn that I&#8217;ve been singing for 35 years long time since 1973 I picked up a drum today I&#8217;m going to tell you something to us Indian people the drum is very important to us that&#8217;s the heartbeat of us a dancer a singer can be a thousand miles away and they going to hear that beat and they&#8217;re going to come and the event that took place right here over the weekend over 400 dancers can you imagine 400 dancers heard one drum beat and they all came but I learned why is this drum so important to us I&#8217;ll tell you this raide is not just ordinary raide we were taught to respect a drum when we put the drum down to sing about 13 people 10 people around it around here and they&#8217;re sitting there and they I always tell those drummers that come to my drum it&#8217;s not a foot stool it&#8217;s not a coffee table it&#8217;s not a closet what I mean is you don&#8217;t put stuff on that Dr you stand it up and you cover it with a blanket take care of it why because at one time this animal has walked the earth a four-legged animal sacrificed himself to better ours to provide good music for you people and when you provide good music there&#8217;s a lots of song the song I just sing that I&#8217;ll sing again to you that&#8217;s the same song but it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a long it&#8217;s a song That&#8217;s supposed to pick you up hey hey now these songs if a dancer or even you was attending some power and you heard the same song but the same beat but it&#8217;s going to be a different song that&#8217;s going to make you want to get out there and dance this is how it makes you feel good that&#8217;s why I always tell people no matter who you are no matter where you from no matter what color you are when you come to an event such as this one that took place over there and is your time to sit down and think about those people around you the people in your family all around you when we used to come out and dance I used to dance at one time and I used to just come out and dance just for the fun of it but then I found out later on in years dancing was very important you are dancing for people out there who are sick people out there who are involved in all these crazy stuff there&#8217;s a lot of commitments you have to make when it becomes a singer there&#8217;s a lot of commitments that you have to make you go to ceremonies and you pray you pray for your people the sweat lodges the suances all these things that we have that&#8217;s just like what you have if you see a grass dancer we always like to in humorous way we always say you guys got Michael Jackson we have a grass dancer you guys got Elvis Presley we got kicking Woman singers so all these things kind of work together you notice the songs that you guys have you guys got words they talk but we don&#8217;t we just sing that&#8217;s just all verbal stuff you have to learn how to use your voice if you ever pick up a drum you if you pick up a drum and you started singing carry that beat I just came from a a um a deal that was for you students in Federal Way Washington I just come from there last week and I did a presentation just like this and I asked them they all made hand gums whatever school at they came from all the way up to Bellingham Lingham all the way on the nurse Co and they all showed up in Seattle for a workshop and who did they get they called me paid my way there and they put me up when I started talking to them about drumming they were all like and they were Indian people they&#8217;ve lost that they&#8217;ve lost that tradition lot of the younger people made drums and they look better than this they were making drums and you know who they were they were white kids and the Indian people over there made drums and they were just every H and I asked that one boy I said can you sing and he said yeah have you been singing he said well I try I said show me in front of 300 kids he got up with his drum and he got single the song didn&#8217;t sound right but still he had an idea of what this drum was used for and I said I want you to come up here and sing and one of one of the students I asked it was from U bellw Washington I don&#8217;t know if you guys are familiar with a north northwest coast but he was from B and he was an Indian he said he was partus and some tried from BC and I asked him you guys you should be pretty good you got all this Blood mixed you should really be good what did he come out there and he I asked him you want to show me how you can use this drum or come and sit at the drum over here he said I can&#8217;t I said let me tell you something in Indian countries in our way there is no such word as I can&#8217;t you&#8217;re an Indian if you say I can the elderly people going to get mad at you say what means an ending is that I&#8217;m saying to this young man this young man is good for what he&#8217;s doing and it&#8217;s good that he&#8217;s carrying it on I asked that young gentleman I said if you were in my country and you said I can&#8217;t you&#8217;re insulting the elders they don&#8217;t do right and the elders always used to say if you can chew gum and walk at the same time you can sing and drum if you can&#8217;t there&#8217;s definitely something wrong with you that&#8217;s what we always say well in Indian Country I&#8217;ll tell you something humor goes a long ways it&#8217;s good medicine you hear some of these MC people talking in the power they&#8217;re talking and then they&#8217;re they&#8217;re throwing jokes at you they&#8217;re not criticizing you or nothing but they&#8217;re throwing jokes at you it&#8217;s to get the people going even the drummers and a big drum when you got 10 people sitting around that drum that drum was made out of a full elk hide Buffalo hide spear hide whatever hide that you can use that&#8217;s what that big drum is made out of and the hoop is made out of wood some of the Hoops the frames are handmade just like you see that boat sitting out there that was handmade but you know it&#8217;s good to have these kind of things come here because because when I was little I didn&#8217;t know who in the heck uh L and CLK was and every time I used to talk like this on the highway I&#8217;ve been driving down the road and I see somebody standing there with a hat on like that gentleman and pointing and further down the road I&#8217;d see the same gentleman went the other way I said um man this guy was really lost I&#8217;ll tell you but you know that&#8217;s just something that we need to laugh about we need to we don&#8217;t make fun of it we don&#8217;t criticize it but when I I&#8217;m just talking about how I looked at it before I even know who knew who he was i&#8217; be driving down the road and my kids would say look at that sign that guy&#8217;s pointing over that way and we go down the road about another maybe 20 miles down the road and they say there&#8217;s another sign and he&#8217;s pointing in a different direction and I&#8217;d say to myself why this guy was lost he was really lost no wonder why they had you know uh Wars and and running into indans you okay didn&#8217;t know which way they were G but the Indian people were very wise the Indian people used to say if I can walk a mile if I can save one person I&#8217;ve saved a million but I&#8217;m going to tell you something I take my work serious I don&#8217;t fool around with it just before I came here just before I showed up here I smudge myself with sweet grass which we use and this young man knows that you smudge yourself whenever you&#8217;re going to do something and you pray you ask the Creator Watch Over Me Protect Me Guide Me What I&#8217;m about to do that it will be okay I&#8217;m doing the best I can to tell you what the significance of the drum is that&#8217;s just long time ago we used it to dance this social dance We Gather up in in a little Hall and we dance nothing else just that people used to come all over and visit put food on the floor sit down there the elderly ladies wearing bandanas like mine would sit down and make a plate for you here or sometimes you bring your own they have these dances they call giveaway dances I will not sing any of these ceremonial songs it&#8217;s not right in places like this these songs belong in ceremonial grounds but I&#8217;ll tell you just when they come together they feed you but as time went on in the year of 2000 the Indians started discovering microwave ens Satellite Dish remote controls and you notice that every indan on the reservation has a tummy FL all they do is just sit there they spoiled us we can&#8217;t work no more we can&#8217;t even get up and go and pour a cup of coffee we just hit a button and the coffee starts perking and it&#8217;s getting so now you can get hot coffee you pour hot water and just throw a spoon in there and Scar it it who if the elderly people were still here that we lost years ago and seen it they said Ah that&#8217;s so coffee which means it&#8217;s not good because a long time ago if you wanted a cup of coffee you had to wait almost 2 to 3 hours first you got to go to the creek all the water bring it over get spank couple times quack around put it on a coffee stove put your coffee in there and wait for it to boil but I think this is the reason why all these things come together in one Circle we do everything here in circles we had the four directions even our homes are po but the drum I don&#8217;t care where you&#8217;re at I don&#8217;t care where you can be I&#8217;m going to tell you something our traditional Indian ways is everywhere you can walk in the president&#8217;s office you can walk into the Oval Office and you&#8217;re going to see a picture of a hand drum setting up in the president&#8217;s office this is how powerful the drum is it&#8217;s everywhere everywhere it&#8217;s in our Institute it&#8217;s in our rehab it&#8217;s in California it&#8217;s even in Los Angeles in Hollywood even in Hollywood but you know I used to talk I used to say that guy there he&#8217;s not singing in this guy here he&#8217;s just he&#8217;s just making up that song but they do have idea and as for myself I became a singer in 7 three to today I&#8217;m still doing it whatever chance I get my children grew up with it and now they are out my children has put on their Indian offense and they became Champions you&#8217;re probably wondering well let&#8217;s see he&#8217;s talking tradition and he&#8217;s talking Champion but let me tell you something when money was introduced in our ways there used to be an old guy whose name was John white grass he was very very very strict don&#8217;t go to that ceremony they&#8217;re not right don&#8217;t go here and he used to always tell us these are the kind of songs you sing these are the kind of songs you use this is what that drum is used for so this is how we all got our knowledge is from listening to elders and so when we put on our outfits money was introduced into our Indian Wass some of our tradition went out the door the younger generation today don&#8217;t really want to believe that it&#8217;s getting so now we have to compete money is kind of more or less in the way that way my grandfather would say it&#8217;s ruining you it&#8217;s spoiling you and we&#8217;re becoming commercial now we got people like Hartford Connecticut Mass tribe California all these big casinos are getting involved in it now millions and dollars that&#8217;s getting sold now this drum is bread and butter on the table for us that&#8217;s a job because a lot of our Indian people don&#8217;t work all they do is they hit the circuit it&#8217;s just like a rodeo circuit now this next song I&#8217;m going to do it&#8217;s a song that um you hear all all over the place it&#8217;s a song that was way before my time if I can remember the song while I&#8217;m talking about it it&#8217;s um I think that was made by John B an old man that used to live out star school you can hear him pounding on his house wall and he&#8217;d be singing and that old man raised everybody in scar School even me when I had no place to go when I was small went to that old man kids sleeping all over stoor and he enjoyed that and he used to sit in that house and he pound on that wall you kind of picture that dark house with a kerosene lamp little wood sto just one big room and this our closet was just a big pile of clothes over here whatever look good we put it on but that old man is hey now these songs are old but they&#8217;re still here today people still sing them I don&#8217;t care how old it&#8217;s going to get when you start passing on your tradition and ending ways this is what&#8217;s going to happen whatever you know you&#8217;re going to tell your people about it when you&#8217;re already gone to the spirit world they&#8217;re going to carry on that tradition you have all those Traditions that you have your I don&#8217;t care who it is you tell your kids about it they pass it on their kids pass it on this is how we keep things alive but like I said when I was small I didn&#8217;t know anything about LS and cl when I first drove into town here to come back to our po I seen this big thing here and I said what&#8217;s going on over there and I met one of the people that work here uh at the swimming pool he talked to me about it I said sure So I think that when you go to a a reservation always ask if there&#8217;s a power going on it&#8217;s free you can go over there take take Park have some traditional food fried bread all this Indian stuff when we come to the end of this program I&#8217;m going to close the song with some of the songs that we use some of the songs that we use that we sing such as the frag song is similar to your national anthem these are the songs that we use to start an event and to end it we always have people that come out andly people person that we will point out to come and close it this event over here there were drums thousands of drums hundreds of drums roaming around over there like kiss and they were all singing there&#8217;s all kinds of beats a new kind of beat today has a has a beat my that this man knows that that&#8217;s it&#8217;s a new new generation coming everything that we do we can hear it in a different tribe we&#8217;ll bring it back home oh that sounds good oh that&#8217;s awesome and they start singing and then now we&#8217;ve got round song and I think um I came across this one guy he said um I want s this I want to sing this song to you I said sure and he had a big drum and he was that big drum was sitting on a floor like this and he was leaning on it and he was singing and that song went he he he he he and these songs like social that these songs are made to uh relax you just like if you put on an old Square dad or old Walt song or you heard a song um with that heartbreaking music you got a few sad the same way that Indian people so long as the Grass Grows the river flows things like that and then they this guy is pretty well known in Indian country but he&#8217;s not a black creep they come from another reservation when he made out a CD and he sang solo most of his songs were about Bingo reservation cars snagging I don&#8217;t know if you guys are familiar with that word snagging snagging in Indian country is when you um take your fishing hook out there and you&#8217;re looking for some fish but anyway these songs when we come out we our dance we round dance we rabbit dance everything that we do is according to this animal it brings us right back to drum so whenever you hear a drum 2,000 miles away You&#8217;re Going to Hear drum these songs is to bring you in bring you people we call it Grand entry so whenever you go to a power go over there and see what it is I was taught Indian way I know most of you people have your own way of being taught but I was taught that whenever you pick up a drum and you start singing whenever you&#8217;re getting involved whatever it is we need to pay attention to what goes on around us lot of us know somebody can say something boom right in front of you half hour later you&#8217;re going to forget about it what did that guy say what was he talking about the old people used to say the which means in your world at stage of who you&#8217;ll be doing something and you say I was here but the elderly people long some time ago used to say the creator has just gave you that opportunity to stay forward for a little bit or back this is why we always wonder when you start singing when you start singing lot of the singers it&#8217;s like a computer right here all the songs are right here what are we going to sing how would I do this oh they they they&#8217;ll have their songs right here that&#8217;s the same thing so whenever you come across something you say I&#8217;ve done this before I was here never Indian Country it&#8217;s a spirit just kind of came to you real quick and gave you that opportunity to see forward or back just a little bit and when I was told long time ago I always told you put your stuff down and you pray about it for a little bit give thanks imagine if we can harness that ability we&#8217;d be dangerous I mean we&#8217;d be so powerful I mean I there are some people today elderly people that we still have with us today who can actually sit in a sweat L and pick up a hot rock you know I never used to believe it but I&#8217;ve seen it done where I was brought up is what I have today my knowledge I&#8217;m always happy to share it I&#8217;m always happy to pass it on CU that&#8217;s just way we were taught this young man you see sitting here has come from a welln prominent family his grandpa was designated chief of our reservation lot of you know who I&#8217;m talking about he&#8217;s a well-known person he has held the higher up seat for years and years and he was our teacher when you heard that man behind a microphone going that mean he was feeling good about it he&#8217;s telling you you try harder and that drum is really going and everybody&#8217;s dancing even that he&#8217;s up there dancing around with his microphone that&#8217;s why I say when I ask someone to come and help me they never turn me down they never refuse me I don&#8217;t care where it&#8217;s at why it&#8217;s because you people will know who these people are next time you come across arm and Edward clean across the country you&#8217;re going to say hello I&#8217;ve seen you in Browning so with that I was just like to say that you know it&#8217;s really been a great honor and I hope that you know whatever I talked about here you take it back with you you score it in your mind so what I&#8217;m going to do tonight this afternoon is that I had four days of exhaustion working over here because I was a public address system person so what I&#8217;m going to do now is I&#8217;m going to close this with a song that we use to close our ceremonies to close this session and so I was just like to say you I really thank you people this are kind of these are some of the things that you need to know these are some of the things that you need to have anytime we sing these songs you are you are supposed to be gifted but in this case I&#8217;m going to ask my my uh my cousin here who is going to um help me do this and George will uh uh tell you what what&#8217;s going to happen here to Clos it and I thank you folks for taking the time I thank all of you people that has come and puted this up and did this show here really thank you for that and I&#8217;m honored to be part of this I&#8217;m honored to be part of this and so uh I want to thank George for uh inviting me to come here like I said we never refuse our younger people when they ask us to come here and I&#8217;m at the age now where uh I I&#8217;m I&#8217;m looked upon as an elder and I&#8217;m not afraid to share my way and uh one of my people was at the power U house last night said you&#8217;re going to go do a presentation over there you need a suit and a tie I said no I&#8217;m Native American I&#8217;ll go just the way I am I said yeah that&#8217;s where I I feel comfortable about it and again once again I want to thank you and those of you that are watching this I hope you have learned something don&#8217;t be afraid to contact anybody in Indian Country right now the significance of the ground and again in inan way they say a let&#8217;s give Mr kicking woman and Mr Edwards a big round of applause thank you Mr kicking woman uh we&#8217;re going to kind of do an impr promptu closing ceremonies here we&#8217;ve had this uh C two here uh at the beginning of July 4th and celebrating I guess America&#8217;s birthday and we&#8217;ve been working with them the last few days and all the logistical work of getting it set up with Mr Dick bash and uh the Rangers making sure we had the presenters and you I think you found if you&#8217;ve been to some of these over the few days at the black feed are great orators it was uh many years ago on the down at Judith Gap when they were doing the treaty with uh In 1855 with uh with Stevenson and he was going to other tribes and making treaties and and in terms of the land and all that and there was a gentleman that was with him who has relatives on the black reservation and his name was Henry kenerly he was a clerk that that accompanied Stevenson and he was marveling at at at the oratory skills of of the of the people are there and he compared them with Roman Senators they would get up and they talk for for hours and sometimes we do talk for hours and you have to uh cut us off but uh but it&#8217;s good that&#8217;s our that&#8217;s our history and we&#8217;re known for our prowess to be able to do that we want to thank uh again uh the National Park Service the the national of the Lewis and Clark uh Historic Trail the all the national Bicentennial Council the circle of tribal advisor all the people and all these agencies that have put this this U exhibition together they&#8217;re heading down to the to Crow country and put putting up that exhibit and then there&#8217;ll be to the a national signature event and Billings and at Pomp&#8217;s pillar called Clark on Yellowstone so on behalf of the blackbeat tribe as the coordinator and my assistant ton of white grass we again our are glad it&#8217;s over we didn&#8217;t have no hail storms and our famous winds didn&#8217;t uh kick up past 35 understand once it&#8217;s 35 and they actually have a wind gauge out here uh crossing their fingers I guess they close things down it kind of shows uh how the park service are they are are ruled by the uh uh policies of the government just as we had to experience with the National Guard it was kind of interesting where we&#8217;re on our side are a little more laidback and things so again thank you for uh coming to this final event and if you get the chance as they move on down the river it&#8217;s our job now to send them down the river so they&#8217;re going to be out of here by tomorrow and and uh again thank you coming us Indian people Warriors and we&#8217;re going to do a song that was composed uh for just got purpose Warrior song and then we&#8217;re going to go into a flag song and uh like I said George said you know we we&#8217;re always willing to do what we can to help you guys this Warrior song oh now the frag song The IND National Anem you are heyy thank you very much again let&#8217;s thank mayor kicking woman and Aran Edwards for coming and sharing with us and thank you for having us as your guest George heavy runer we would like to thank you for uh putting this on and helping us to come here we really appreciate all your help thank you for having us as your guest onto your reservation we are going to be here for about another five minutes open to the public and then we&#8217;re going to hope the wind doesn&#8217;t come up too much and start to take these tents down and move on to our next destination so again thank you for joining us and have a pleasant afternoon</p>
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