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		<title>Historic Homecoming. Sacajawea, the Bird Woman of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, finds her Shoshone people on Horse Prairie Creek, Montana</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Jackson's watercolor depicts the reunion between Sacagawea and her Shoshone relatives at the headwaters of the Missouri in August 1805. In the foreground, mounted Shoshone warriors and women on foot gather around the expedition party…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackson&#8217;s watercolor depicts the reunion between Sacagawea and her Shoshone relatives at the headwaters of the Missouri in August 1805. In the foreground, mounted Shoshone warriors and women on foot gather around the expedition party near a stream, with Sacagawea positioned as the central figure mediating between the two groups. Lewis, Clark, and members of the Corps of Discovery stand with their packs and rifles to one side, while the Shoshone, some on horseback, approach from the open country beyond. The setting is rendered with low rolling hills and the broad valley typical of the Beaverhead country in southwestern Montana, executed in transparent washes of green, tan, and pale blue.</p>
<p>The scene records the events of August 17, 1805, when the expedition&#8217;s advance party, led by Meriwether Lewis, made contact with a Shoshone band on the upper waters of the Beaverhead drainage. When Clark&#8217;s main party arrived with Sacagawea serving as interpreter, she recognized the band&#8217;s leader, Cameahwait, as her brother—a coincidence that secured the horses and guidance the Corps needed to cross the Bitterroot Mountains. Horse Prairie Creek, where Jackson places the encounter, flows into the Beaverhead near the site historically identified as Camp Fortunate. The episode has long been treated as one of the providential turning points of the expedition.</p>
<p>William Henry Jackson (1843–1942) is better known as the photographer who documented the Hayden Surveys of the 1870s and produced the first photographs of Yellowstone. Late in his very long life he returned to painting, producing a series of small watercolors of frontier and exploration subjects, many commissioned or acquired by railroad and historical interests in the 1930s and early 1940s. This 1940 work belongs to that late watercolor production, made when Jackson was ninety-seven. It is held in the L. Tom Perry Special Collections at the Harold B. Lee Library, Brigham Young University. Jackson&#8217;s Lewis and Clark watercolors have been reproduced regularly in popular histories of the expedition, contributing to the visual vocabulary through which twentieth-century audiences pictured Sacagawea&#8217;s role.</p>
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		<title>Allegorical Scene of the Lewis and Clark Expedition</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Cogniet's painting presents the Lewis and Clark Expedition not as a documentary scene but as an allegory, assembling figures and symbols rather than reconstructing a specific event from the 1804–1806 journey. The composition places the…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cogniet&#8217;s painting presents the Lewis and Clark Expedition not as a documentary scene but as an allegory, assembling figures and symbols rather than reconstructing a specific event from the 1804–1806 journey. The composition places the explorers within a broader emblematic framework, drawing on the conventions of mid-nineteenth-century French academic history painting, in which actual events were typically reorganized around personifications, attendant figures, and classicizing arrangements. The oil-on-canvas surface, at 80 by 110 centimeters, is sized for a private collector&#8217;s wall rather than a salon-scale public commission, and the allegorical mode allowed Cogniet to treat the American expedition as an episode in the larger narrative of European-conceived continental exploration.</p>
<p>The work was produced between 1850 and 1870, several decades after the expedition itself and at a time when French interest in the American West was sustained by travelers&#8217; accounts, popular prints, and the wider taste for exotic and frontier subjects that had also fueled the careers of artists like Karl Bodmer (working under the patronage of Maximilian of Wied) and the illustrators of François-René de Chateaubriand. For a French audience, Lewis and Clark were less familiar as biographical figures than as emblems of the United States&#8217; westward expansion, which made allegorical treatment a natural choice. Cogniet was in the latter phase of his career during these years, having largely shifted from his own production toward teaching.</p>
<p>Léon Cogniet (1794–1880) was a central figure in French academic painting, a Prix de Rome winner in 1817 and one of the most influential teachers of his generation, with students including Léon Bonnat, Jean-Léon Gérôme&#8217;s contemporaries, and Rosa Bonheur. His own œuvre is dominated by history paintings, Orientalist subjects, and portraits; an American subject is unusual within it, which gives this canvas particular interest as evidence of the reach of Lewis and Clark imagery into European studios. The current location of the painting is not recorded. Its documented provenance includes a private collection in Belgium and the holdings of Cornelius Engelen in Leuven, before its appearance at Marc Arthur Kohn Auctions at the Hôtel Le Bristol, Paris, on July 2, 2013.</p>
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		<title>Lewis and Clark Reach Shoshone Camp Led by Sacajawea the &#8220;Bird Woman&#8221;</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Russell's painting depicts the meeting between the Corps of Discovery and a Shoshone band on August 17, 1805, in the Lemhi River valley of present-day Idaho. Sacagawea stands at center, her arm raised in a…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell&#8217;s painting depicts the meeting between the Corps of Discovery and a Shoshone band on August 17, 1805, in the Lemhi River valley of present-day Idaho. Sacagawea stands at center, her arm raised in a gesture of recognition and greeting, dressed in fringed hide with a red trade blanket draped behind her. Lewis and Clark appear at left in their weather-worn expedition coats, while Shoshone men on horseback gather at right against a backdrop of sagebrush flats and the Bitterroot foothills. Russell composes the scene in a wide horizontal format that emphasizes the open Western landscape, using the warm earth palette and loose, atmospheric brushwork typical of his mature oils. Sacagawea is the pivot of the composition—the moment shown is the instant before she recognized the band&#8217;s chief, Cameahwait, as her brother, a recognition that secured the horses the expedition needed to cross the Continental Divide.</p>
<p>Russell painted the work in 1918, late in a career devoted almost entirely to Western subjects. By this point he had moved beyond his cowboy genre scenes toward more ambitious historical compositions, and the Lewis and Clark Expedition occupied him repeatedly in his final two decades. The painting belongs to a cluster of Russell works—including the 1905 watercolor of Lewis and Clark on the Lower Columbia and the 1912 mural <em>Lewis and Clark Meeting the Flathead Indians</em> for the Montana State Capitol—that established his interpretation of the expedition as a story of Native facilitation rather than conquest. The emphasis on Sacagawea reflected a broader early-twentieth-century rediscovery of her role, which had been amplified by Eva Emery Dye&#8217;s 1902 novel <em>The Conquest</em> and the suffrage-era monuments that followed.</p>
<p>Russell, born in Missouri in 1864 and largely self-taught, spent his working life in Montana and drew on decades of firsthand observation of the northern plains, its peoples, and its light. The painting is held by the Gilcrease Museum in Tulsa, assembled by oilman Thomas Gilcrease, whose collection of Russell oils is among the most substantial in any public institution. The work remains one of the most reproduced images in the Lewis and Clark visual tradition, particularly in publications focused on Sacagawea&#8217;s role in the expedition.</p>
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		<title>Lewis and Clark at Eagle Creek</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Benton's small panel shows the expedition's keelboat and pirogues moving along a river bend beneath wooded bluffs, with members of the Corps of Discovery handling the craft in the foreground. The figures, rendered in Benton's…</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benton&#8217;s small panel shows the expedition&#8217;s keelboat and pirogues moving along a river bend beneath wooded bluffs, with members of the Corps of Discovery handling the craft in the foreground. The figures, rendered in Benton&#8217;s signature muscular, elongated style, lean into their work—poling, rowing, and managing lines—while the landscape rolls behind them in the sculptural, undulating forms that characterize his late mature manner. The polymer and tempera technique produces the saturated color and crisp contour Benton preferred for finished compositions, with greens, ochres, and slate blues organized into the rhythmic patterning he used to bind figures and terrain into a single moving surface.</p>
<p>Eagle Creek enters the Missouri in present-day Chouteau County, Montana, in the stretch of the White Cliffs that Lewis described on May 31, 1805, as scenes of &#8220;visionary enchantment.&#8221; The Corps passed this section while ascending the Missouri toward the Great Falls, working the boats upstream against the current—the labor Benton emphasizes here. The painting was made in 1967, when Benton was 78 and increasingly drawn to American frontier subjects he had treated throughout his career. It belongs to a group of Lewis and Clark images he produced in his last decade, parallel to his larger mural and easel work on westward expansion.</p>
<p>Benton (1889–1975), the Missouri-born leader of American Regionalism, had treated the Lewis and Clark theme since at least his 1927 mural studies and returned to it repeatedly, most prominently in the 1962 mural for the Truman Library and in related easel paintings. By the 1960s he had outlived the Regionalist movement&#8217;s mid-century prominence but retained a steady audience for Missouri River subjects, which he knew firsthand from boat trips along the upper river. The panel is held by the Eiteljorg Museum of American Indians and Western Art in Indianapolis, founded by Harrison Eiteljorg in 1989, whose collection concentrates on Western American and Native art. Works from Benton&#8217;s late Lewis and Clark series have circulated regularly in exhibitions marking expedition anniversaries, including the bicentennial observances of 2003–2006.</p>
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		<title>Mike Lyall on Cowlitz History and Lewis &#038; Clark</title>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh you&#8217;re so quiet and timid we got to get you together get you focused we&#8217;re going to have a speaker so we I get ready so everybody hands on your knees eyes forward 1 2 3 good morning boys and girls good morning all right good morning good to see you glad you can be here you are now the tense of many voices and this is called core Discovery 2 and we are traveling National mobile exhibit we&#8217;ve been traveling all over the country we&#8217;ve seen so many places since we started out we started out in the year 2003 in the home of Thomas Jefferson in monachello in Virginia and we&#8217;ve been traveling all the way across the country and we finally reached the ocean and next year we&#8217;ll be coming all the way back and we&#8217;ll end up in St Louis that&#8217;s where Louis and Clark were 200 years ago and we&#8217;ll finish up there in September 23 2006 now here in this Mobile T what we do is we have a lot of presenters and speakers they come from all over the country to tell their story and interpretation of lwis and Clark we have native presenters such as singers and dancers and Poets we have Scholars people that have studied lisis and Clark they take the old um journals and they research them every day and they look at them so we have a lot of different people that come to this tent and tell the story of Louis and Clark so here today we have a special presenter we have Mike iel he&#8217;s a director of Natural Resources Council for the CIS tribe he&#8217;s also the vice chair of the tribal council so let&#8217;s give a nice warm welcome put your hands together for Mike AEL good morning good morning uh going to tell you some things you probably know and some stuff you don&#8217;t know uh first start out by welcoming you to ket&#8217;s Country um some of you may not be aware but before after it was CET country you are in Prince rubberland you didn&#8217;t know that one yeah Prince rubberland you&#8217;re part of Great Britain right here you&#8217;re in you&#8217;re you&#8217;re English now and then later on this would become part of Oregon over there except this was part of Oregon too and later on after that it would become Washington territory a part of Nebraska so in just a few moments we&#8217;ve gone from England to Oregon to Nebraska we&#8217;re back to Washington he didn&#8217;t even feel like you moved so anyway I&#8217;ll start out with a little bit of History uh in 1827 Governor Simpson said skena track runs from off the pet sound and Strikes the Colombia near point bellw skena was the college Chief and skena was the high chief cic were a little unusual in that we had 20,000 people many different villages with one Chief one high chief and that was skena he was my great great grandfather uh later on Governor Stevens would call skena track the C Trail and so you&#8217;re at the southern end of this the cets trail we were Traders we we like to trade uh our money in a long time ago was a special little shell called the dent talum and that little shell was also called hiqua and that was our money and it was exchanged in in what they called a fathom which was like 3 ft long and a fathom of the large shells was worth a huge amount of money and we know that that those little shells had great value because in South Dakota which is over over here right in here clear over there they had our dentum shells and we know that because the spiral flute D taum shell comes from only one place in the world and it&#8217;s right up the map right here on the Northern point of Vancouver Island and the queen Charlottes it&#8217;s the only place in the world that little shell comes from and I&#8217;ve talked to people from uh Connecticut that tell me that they have Den talum shells there as well so Vancouver was a trading post hundreds if not thousands of years before Lewis and Clark got here when Lewis and Clark came here they said said that this was a Marketplace equal to any in the world they saw people with sailor suits rifles pistols metal pots all things that they&#8217; got from Europeans when Lewis and Clark came down the river and one of the big things that I have to laugh at my ancestors is we didn&#8217;t pick up on the significance of a boat loaded tour us coming down the river we&#8217;d seen people come up the river but we never realized anything important would be from somebody coming down the river so when you look at the map you see that me they came from here we&#8217;d seen people come from the ocean but we didn&#8217;t realize that they came from the other ocean too and that&#8217;s something that we didn&#8217;t realize so we&#8217;ll move on uh we traded and we traded from Canada down to California and in to the mountains of Idaho that&#8217;s how far we traveled uh I know that leis and Clark never met my ancestors because skena and all his sons were were large tall men for the time they were all over 6 foot tall Captain Clark was a very tall man he was 6ot and he would have noticed if there were tall indans there so I know that he didn&#8217;t meet them because our uh tribal history said that skena was away in business in in Canada when Louis and Clark came through so we know that that that those people didn&#8217;t meet with them so now I need to to talk about what did we eat well we ate salmon we had deer elk wapo Camas and berries and we would the fish came to us it was pretty neat setup really we grew the the the cus and the wapo and uh we would go to the mountains and pick the berries our tribe had a a special arrangement with the akamas we would trade salmon on the cetz river for berries on Mount Adams which today it seems kind of funny but at the time salmon were almost as common of sand on the beach and we could get berries for those salmon so uh and we had berries and we were able to preserve our food something that Louis and Clark couldn&#8217;t do you guys know that uh were Louis and Clark really hungry when they got hairs anybody know that yeah they were starving all the time they got here because they didn&#8217;t have the ability to preserve their food we preserved our food and we were able to do it better than than they would and uh as a result when they come into our villages we were able to serve them meals and we gave them berries we gave them berries in November and December like right now we were able to go and pull them out of the cupboard and there was some nice fresh you know berries that we could serve up for our guests so that was that was how we what we ate and that was how we preserved our food we had large houses some of the houses were huge they&#8217;re like modern apartment houses the uh large bigger uh plank houses were 200 ft long that&#8217;s almost as big as a football field and inside those houses there&#8217;d be partitions to where there would be each family would live inside the house just like an apartment house today and some of those houses were called plank houses and some were called long houses it just depended on where you lived but they were made out of boards and they were easily bigger than this tent and uh they were warm and comfortable houses so I already posed a question did we meet with Lewis and Clark and the answer is Maybe uh Lewis and Clark called us scutes which when you say callets and scutes uh it could well be uh because it&#8217;s really important to know that that the way we set our words the pronunciation of of Indian words was impossible for the Europeans and the Europeans their words were impossible for us to say so we had this case to where we couldn&#8217;t communicate so we had to guess and Lois and Clark called us scutes they called us huel and ketc now ketc means place of the cets and place of the cets is right here on the CET River and the Lewis River and along the Columbia River now for a very very long time I had read and I&#8217;d studied and i&#8217; i&#8217; even seen that one of the the great historians had misunderstood kitc he thought it meant River of the Kitz but once you understand that kitc means a place of the CET then it can be applied to more than one River and uh Lewis and Clark said of us we hear they are numerous they said that a couple different times and how numerous were we we were one of the biggest tribes in the Northwest we were 20,000 and uh we look right here see off the Puget Sound is Olympia and down here to point bellw is the Confluence of the wamit in the Columbia so we lived between Olympia and Portland and out to the West we lived out to Modern Raymond down through the wipa hills to the Columbia and then back up the the Columbia River to the Wind River and up the Cascades up to mount reineer and then over to Olympia it was a huge area we were a very large tribe and we had a huge amount of area so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s who we were that&#8217;s where we lived after Lewis and Clark the fur Traders came and our his our history said that our chief went to Fort George and Fort George is down right here by the mouth of the Columbia we call it asoria today and our chief went to the to the fur Traders and said I don&#8217;t like traveling this far can you move your your Trading Post closer to home and the Trading Post closer to home is here so the reason that Vancouver is here is because our chief went to Fort George and asked the fur traders to relocate closer to home and that closer to home became Vancouver so that&#8217;s that&#8217;s our connection with this area and after the fur Traders came then the settlers moved in and there were Indian Wars and during the Indian Wars our people joined the army my name my first name is Francis and I was I took me a long time to get used to that name and then I found out that that my first name is really someone else&#8217;s last name because my great-grandfather served with a lieutenant Francis in the Indian Wars and that name came into the family and he named his son my grandfather and then my father had the name and now me so I my first name is actually somebody else&#8217;s last name after the Indian Wars we we resisted signing a treaty after we had fought the wars the settler or the the United States wanted us to go live on the reservation and turn in our guns and go live with the people that we just defeated we didn&#8217;t think that&#8217;d be a good idea so we told them no and then at a later date we decided we&#8217;re going to have to to struggle for a recognition and prove who we are and we had a chief his name was atan stockham and he was appointed Chief by Lieutenant ulyses Grant and just right over here is Grant house and uh ulyses Grant made Antoine stockham the chief of the colge and atan started the the fight for recognition and 150 years later we finished that fight for recognition and we we were granted status that&#8217;s special to us it&#8217;s called acknowledged it means we knew you were here but now we understand that you really are the cat&#8217;s people and that was our history up to now so what do we do today well I&#8217;m director of Natural Resources Department today I have two dams in Rel lensing one on the callets one on the Lewis we&#8217;re working on salmon tracking on the toodle River and uh I&#8217;ve got biologists working for me that are checking gear for chronic wasting disease we&#8217;re checking Goose populations for their health we&#8217;re working to uh restore salmon passages to different areas and uh we&#8217;re working to protect cultural resources right here this bridge that&#8217;s if you could look out and see it just right you&#8217;d see there&#8217;s a bridge across the Columbia River that&#8217;s going to be replaced and when that&#8217;s replaced it&#8217;s going to disrupt a whole bunch of of uh surface and under that surface because people lived here for maybe 10,000 years there will be the the graves of of people so that&#8217;s things that we do so if anyone has any questions I&#8217;d be happy to answer it if you have a question what I do is I come to you after you raise your hand and then you ask the question and everyone can hear it so go ahead raise your hand if you have a question for Mike clat of people were did did they who was their last Chief or who was the courage I don&#8217;t know the name of the last chief of the classup but I can tell you that uh the classup people came up here and traded and if you this is an assignment for the teachers now you read the Molton Lois and Clark Journal set in book six and book seven and in book Seven it explains the role of the classup and the scutes and I&#8217;ll use the more modern map though the clups live down here the clups were intermediaries between the people on the the Upper Valley and the Lower Valley and so when Lewis and Clark said the Chinooks have been at war with the scales and the scal the Chinooks are not allowed above the war kayaks the clups were free to come up here the shinook weren&#8217;t the clups came up traded took the goods back down to the shinuk and the shinuk would give them goods and the clups would take them back and so that&#8217;s the role of the clups any other questions more questions okay let&#8217;s go back here what is your question are science are scientists still working on the project to find um where Lu and Clark are or where they also went are scientists still working on the project to find where L and Clark um also went uh I think we know where they went but I uh I know that uh one of the people in the Park Service Doug Wilson is out at Fort classup today and they&#8217;re working to find out all of the information they can at the the site of the fort classic to find out how long they were there and and what they ate while they were there and other things like that any more questions we got one back here all right good have you been able to preserve your native language and do you personally speak anything other than English uh I don&#8217;t speak anything other than English um I was probably the worst student on the planet so I always tell people English is my only foreign language but uh not me but other people in our tribe are preserving our Salish language the Kat had two languages the Salish we shared with the shahis the two languages are almost identical and the sahaptin we shared with the yakas in fact all of the yakam or the sahaptin speakers when they came here they were called click itats and click attat is really means sahap speaker we have a question over here I will come over here to you and you can tell your question how do you know that they used it all the stuff that you have here how do they know that they use what all the stuff that&#8217;s here all the Stu it&#8217;s here you mean like here on the table out there you mean like uh salmon and and Cedar that type of thing I I can tell you that Lois and Clark took really good notes and when you read those journals uh teachers it&#8217;s book six and book seven and then maybe one of the neatest one is the one that nobody knows about and that&#8217;s the White House journals does any of the teachers know about the White House journals raise your hand okay Joseph White House was a private with Lewis and Clark and Joseph sometimes he had Duty and he was gathering firewood and peeling potatoes and doing Army things but other days Joseph had some free time and when Joseph wrote Joseph was one of the only Journal keeper to write active entries so Joseph&#8217;s entries were written as they occurred everybody else wrote their entries they took notes and then they recreated them years later so sometimes on the days Joseph was free he gives us the best picture of everything and that&#8217;s book 11 and for you guys to study the journals the easiest and best way is to pick the date so like we would just say November 28th 1805 and go back and look and find out what happened any other questions question over let&#8217;s go it over here did any of the uh Eastern Oregon Indian tribes like the ellos and the caus did they were they involved in any of the trading down here oh absolutely uh the word Shoni in jargon means person from the interior so we know that people from Idaho came here we know that uh people from California came here and traded and we know that the uh well at least I&#8217;ve been studying it I believe there&#8217;s a people called wakan Nish Waki and I believe wanas SE and those are people called nutkin from the northern tip of Vancouver Island and those people were here all right we have uh time for maybe one more question let&#8217;s go over here how do you how do you know uh where Lis and Clark is bed how do you know where Lu and Clark are buried well um I think it&#8217;s written in in a history book uh Lewis is buried and I don&#8217;t know where somewhere down South Tennessee Tennessee yeah just Trail they see and then Clark lived a long happy life and died a very old man so they and and he he he wrote down a lot of stories and I think he I don&#8217;t know where he&#8217;s buried but St Louis St Louis Missouri right I I think it&#8217;s time for us to go but we got one more question if somebody&#8217;s ready let&#8217;s have one more question from this young man right over here go ahead do you do you think or know if leis and Clark pass through this spot where this T of voes is that do you think or no if leis and Clark passed where this spot is right here I think it&#8217;s really quite likely that yes they did pass by here uh the only thing is is on the way down I think they stopped on the airport side I don&#8217;t think they stopped on this side of the river so but on the way back they spent a couple days here because uh they sent a scouting party up the wamit river so uh they&#8217;ve certainly looked at this place if they didn&#8217;t stand here all right let&#8217;s give a nice big round of applause for Mike iel</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got he they were never good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the core Discovery 2 and the teny horses I see some familiar faces um for our next presenter this is Neil M and he&#8217;s going to talk about the gateway to Discovery and he does work for a land trust that manages the gateway to Discovery so I&#8217;m going to hand it over to new M please welcome him well thank you it&#8217;s a pleasure to uh be Mak your presentation both representing the Gateway Discovery and then the North Coast L con servy is who I work for and kind of the focus of my part of the program for those of you that have heard Doug Durer you you kind of got the historical context in terms of na na American element I&#8217;m going to focus a little more kind of the scientific side of uh the perspective of not only the historical context by which the the core Discovery come to because as you know for those of you that follow the concept of Discovery usually that includes some element of some unknown or new information and if you make your group small enough uh then everything is new information that is if you&#8217;re just telling your friend next door uh then you could well be be the source of Discovery for a certain piece of information for the person next door although the information may have been known for decades or centuries so the whole idea of Discovery is is kind of squishy and I know people have sort of wrestled with this on the core of Discovery and in a way it&#8217;s been a struggle to say what did they discover you know people had already been living here carrying on ecological interactions with every single element of the landscape for 10,000 years kind of what&#8217;s left to discover so that that&#8217;s one of it is sort of what wasn&#8217;t discovered that people might think was discovered and then what was actually discovered kind of in our cultural context and then the really challenging part and the part we&#8217;re all faced with today is what&#8217;s left to discover that is do we know enough to um sustain a culture like ours uh for the same period of time that the cultures had been functioning in the landscape we now uh inhabit so you can kind of set the time frame for what I&#8217;m talking about is 10,000 years and we&#8217;ll kind of pick 200 years as our operation period and that&#8217;s sort of appropriate given today and all the time that&#8217;s going on a couple of things that uh that I I&#8217;ll mention real quick one is Gateway to Discovery it&#8217;s a real place it&#8217;s uh 850 Square ft it&#8217;s on the south in the seaside for the local people you know it as the laabi gallery but it&#8217;s now uh the Natural History Center and there we we have initially started out to create a center where people would really dis use that Center as the gateway to Discovery that is discovering the incredible place that we have here uh we had to adjust a little bit because once we got going we realized that it wasn&#8217;t really so much in the gateway to e Cola State Park and sadle mountain and hug point and Fort Stevens but that just walking through through the building to the de that overlooks the Estuary ended up being the gateway to a Wildlife Museum I mean so much going on every single day and having been in science for 30 years You&#8217; think I would have known that and I knew there were a lot of Critters around but the Dynamics of it when we have people staff there and volunteers there every day every minute making notes about what just happened out over the deck from the Otters coming in and catching flounders and eating on the logs to the bald eagles catching the fish to the deer quum swimming across the river to millions of anchois coming in to the golds being so stuck with anchois they couldn&#8217;t even move to the blue herand and the king fisher fights and well it just goes on and on so in a way it&#8217;s kind of portrays this idea that when you look closely at anything you you usually find action something&#8217;s going on and that&#8217;s what we found so we sort of modifi you see you get an experience with Discovery at the Gateway Center and then that also leads you to all of the other incredible places uh in this neck of the woods for those of you that maybe haven&#8217;t uh done some of the homework with the Louis and Clark expedition to understand it the best I think you have to understand Jefferson because Jefferson&#8217;s mind was scientific that&#8217;s where he was he was probably the top meteorologist in the nation at that time and he would even make his kids keep notes on the temperature when they were somewhere else you know I mean it was just almost fanatical about it and he had already tried to mount this very Expedition uh in 1783 he was already ated trying to make it happen and they even even collected funds and had someone that he thought that he was going to hire to make this same trip and that sort of didn&#8217;t work out so working through the Philadelphia Phil philosophy Society he had started to organize this Expedition and he just never could get it together and he had all the geography and the scientific information that he was wanting to collect so sort of think about and even by the time he was in Congress he had tried a little run at it just at as a congressional person and had gotten people to put up a whole th000 to to finance the Expedition but it sort of fell on De ears he wasn&#8217;t able to make that happen so it&#8217;s not surprising not too long after he became president that really just kind of pulled the old notes out of his pocket and said okay now nobody can tell me we&#8217;re not going to do this but scientific a scientific expedition in 1800 probably wasn&#8217;t a real hot item and so his challenge was to cloak it in the thing that Americans are pretty good at and that&#8217;s getting more material wealth okay economic get the Furs get the products so that transition you can see it in the documents and in a way you can see the documents being restructured to have this sort of grand benefit to the economics and kind of the social dynamics including one of Jefferson&#8217;s greatest passions which was this idea that unless everybody had a piece of land they were farming there was really no hope for democracy so need a lot more territory to begin with and what he wanted to know was is that all nice and flat and plowable so to speak and of course as you know they come out here and found all these dirty rotten trees just covering the landscape almost as Pest and so it wasn&#8217;t seen as very productive in that very productive what would you do with a tree I mean not that many trees so they were looking for farmland well uh when I say cloaking I I mean that literally I mean including very sophisticated ciphering messages that were written in code to Congress and between Lewis and Jefferson and Jefferson and Congress uh secret coded messages about this Expedition and again that was sort of the political reality of it was Jefferson had already asked the French ambassadors that about what would people think of this if we went into this territory and you know he says that would definitely be considered um by you know by our government and so it be trespassing on our land which at that point was basically Louisiana what became the Louisiana Purchase and of course when we bought the Louisiana that s took care of that problem on that angle but of course we still had the English you know in the west and so there that sort of secret uh continued on until just about the time in which the Expedition left were still sending these coded messages uh so that kind of set the stage but it again I think starts to bring up the idea about Jefferson&#8217;s thought process on this and keep in mind he thought they were going to go find Masons I mean you know they sort of had a little bit of a science fiction perspective this that this West even though like I say you know I think the folks in near San Museum to you know a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Louis Clark expedition you know and that the further they got away from a culture the more culture they found you know literally millions of people already there with full cultures that had uh evolved to very very sophisticated levels and in their own way have developed a science that we&#8217;re still trying to get to that is we haven&#8217;t figured out the kind of Science in which you can uh make interpretations without our seven steps of the scientific method and yet cultures that had been here had resolved most of those science questions about what to eat what to use how to use it how to prepare it how to treat it just about everything you can think of in terms of the the cultural uh adaptations so when it come time for sort of the eventual expedition to to leave there was you know a lot of training that had gone on Le had spent a lot of time with sort of major scientist of of the era uh describing animals describing technique uh spent weeks and weeks getting trained to just run the instruments that were necessary to collect the data about main about survey and geography so um as primitive as it might have been at that point in time compared to today with our you know we just got through mapping the plat of planes the very land that that Clark walked on with a handheld GPS with a aerial photo of the site that wherever you move on the classet planes a new aial photo for that spot Scrolls up cuz it&#8217;s reading the satellites and then it tracks a little red dot on that aerial photo of everywh exactly where you are in the context of that aerial photo and then if you see something there then you just scroll up your little data sheet and plug in US saw these plants that plant this plant this animal that and then it&#8217;s all recorded for that single site you know and then think about the technology but in reality plus or minus a few miles probably in some cases feet uh with those primitive instruments using sort of scientific methodology uh Le was able to make incredible uh Records so again this is Jefferson kind of making sure that all of the elements of making this Expedition uh quite documentary uh had been done with the planning process so that whatever skills Lewis mainly Clark as well didn&#8217;t have they got this through some of the top people in the nation at that point in time so it it it sort of sets the stage for for that uh that part of it uh let me just shift a little bit to sort of what I see as the um historical Sciences of let&#8217;s say the West Coast uh and and in some ways I think people don&#8217;t consider real science if you&#8217;re doing it for basic in a cultural context or for sort of fundamental survival that the s is something that often times is considered abstraction from the context of the culture and you go to some separate environment for the science and then you work up the experiment and the design and do all that and you bring it back to the cultural context so when the when the native Eskimos native alaskans got together with some of the top scientists in the world they started a Cooperative project in which uh the two Sciences merged and what come out of that was that uh they were both inadequate somewhat they both added there were pieces missing from the Native culture uh in their form of Science and then there were pieces missing from out of the western version of it and so out of that come really a whole new powerful kind of science that was embedded in the cultural process it wasn&#8217;t separate or separate from and I think that&#8217;s well that has a lot of Merit it also advances my own Prejudice which is the way we tend to select what we think is good bad and so in a way we&#8217;ve been promoting this idea of Citizen science that is that science is not something that&#8217;s relegated to the science room or to the scientist that it&#8217;s a cultural process and that it benef could benefit benefit us in every way we just been working with a mid that was uh opened up from a little excavation was going on for somebody&#8217;s driveway and uh in that in that mid was uh these shells and um we just s these out just last week really to get some analysis I&#8217;ve already been through them with the stereoscope and there is nothing but clam shells in this entire layer and also with that was the uh was the charcoal that was left after the Clam Lake okay so if you can imagine razor clams I mean this sounds so good to me baking razor clams you know on a dune uh and leaving nothing but the shells and that&#8217;s about as good as it can get but you know when you think about it even with Lewis Lewis is bringing his his science here doesn&#8217;t mention razor clams okay in in the journals so can&#8217;t quite make that connection but you might have had some bad time of the year to be digging plams but think about the weather now get plans just in the last few days here so here&#8217;s this sort of common ground of the razor clown uh not something that&#8217;s found in the 3 to 4,000 year old men in this area very few razor clams but if you get to the 2,000 year radiocarbon material see razor clamps that&#8217;s what this this is all 2000 somewhere between 2,300 years old and razor plans are everywhere uh keep in mind we didn&#8217;t have any sand here until starting about 5,000 years ago the ocean was right back against the head walls all Cobble ridges there almost no sand whatsoever and then somewhere in that intermediate time between 4 and 2000 we start seeing these dudes start to grow and they&#8217;re Grow Again from back against the head wall and then start migrating to the West um so there&#8217;s probably if we get enough good dates there there a point where sort of all of a sudden razor clamps are showing up because we have sand we&#8217;ve got Beach whereas if you look at the mid material from say the pomos site which is in the 4,000 year old era it&#8217;s all Bay material almost zero Marine materials okay cockal Tres gacks Gaper clams all those kind of bay things so there&#8217;s a big transition that went on in terms of the geography here and then you see the razor clam showing up and and this is where I just try to make one point about this idea of how incredibly valuable and exciting it is to know about the place you live because it&#8217;s it gives you an Insight that would be comparable to the native science in which you knew about the processes of the natural landscape because you were a part of that landscape okay unlike our culture which is aart from for the most part some of you maybe living out in the woods and digging roots and stuff but not a lot of folks doing that now so this is that sort of comparative in which knowing about the processes now I could probably almost guarantee you that the folks that dug these plans 2,000 years ago would have been hard to imagine the life cycle of a razor PL and I think that was probably a decade ago or so there used to be a program called Beach was it beach festival or something everybody brought all their stuff to the convention center and it was just about Beach things what you found on the beach and all about the beach materials I remember I had my students setting up a little program there on razor Clans and they had microscopes to look at the CL lby and all the different parts of the plan they had the life cycle put up well we spent the whole night arguing mostly with commercial CL ders about our life cycle of these razor plants because we had them releasing eggs and sperm cells into the water right on the shoreline and then we had these razor clams going all the way out into the ocean 15 20 mi off shore and they were like no way I found little baby razor clams on the beach and they don&#8217;t do that but of course they do but it&#8217;s hard to imagine razor plants could successfully reproduce by sending little swimming protozoa type Critters all the way out into the ocean spending 6 to8 weeks out there and then eventually starting to grow just the tiniest little piece of calcium carbonate on that little lar microscopic laring which then makes the lar drop down to the bottom of the ocean and then the currents on the bottom of the ocean slowly start moving all of these spat of baby plams back onto the beach by the millions and of course they dig in and some of you may have seen this event I mean it&#8217;s an incredible thing when they come in and you&#8217;re walking and you&#8217;re the pressure of your feet makes these tiny little r clams come to the surface uh and we aren&#8217;t the only one that has noticed that if you happen to be there on those few evenings in the spring when that happens then you&#8217;ll see these goals down there doing this dance going like this and then take a three steps dance p and what they&#8217;re doing is the same thing that we end up doing and that&#8217;s they&#8217;re making making these little baby razor clamps come to the surface and then they eat it so they&#8217;re tied into it so I I I kind of where I&#8217;m going on this is to is to make one point for the presentation and that&#8217;s that when you&#8217;re digging razor clams which is the way these razor clams were dug with a cedar stick stuck into a uh El time and that&#8217;s your digging instrument and you and their in your 30 or 40 fellow tribes people have got the entire class of beach to yourself it&#8217;s hard to change have an impact on the ecology because one the efficiency level is not real high yeah if you can imagine stick about 3 ft long in the end of this poking it in the sand proing it around and trying to catch razor clam uh the productivity was low and even if you could have caught a million what would you do with them you know because you got the ones you needed for that point in time so this kind of leads to the S of The Next Step even without knowing how it worked um as we saw the sort of cultural shifts from one in which culture was embedded in the science the life science landscape then we saw the transition to harvest strategies that no longer were embedded in just day-to-day survival but were then being uh exploited uh and relocated uh as a product material as much as you can get and you kind of see that sweep all the way through the culture uh which that big conversion in which the Technologies started to drive not better lifestyle not better subsistence but uh alternative products from the product that you were collecting whether it was razor plants or fish or trees whatever that might be so you just see that huge uh cultural uh transition so my the razor Clan is kind of my example of of how it changes the way of look at the landscape here in plon county and the say all the Oregan coast and that as you see the phenomena that plays out and in a way it seems It&#8217;s not surprising that commercial PL diers were saying those kids I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about was because it just kind of hard to imagine and it turns out that just about everything that we look at closely ends up being wow how how does that work how does that all happen uh to to even have any of these systems work and even though the reverence was there for the salmon uh you can imagine how difficult it would have been for cultures uh these really very sophisticated cultures from 3 to 5,000 years ago to imagine that a salmon was going to swim three or 4,000 miles of the Bearing Sea be gone for 3 years and then come back and find that piece of water that it was reared in and not find it by luck but find it by science that is that that piece of water has t been tagged coated by the unique combination of the material in that particular Watershed 36 71 Cedars 4,221 henlock 851 sword Ferns and then stir well and you get this product that is so unique that it&#8217;s can only be in one place there is no other landscape would have that particular set of materials and all of that of course all the pine needles falling under the water being processed by an in a whole series of of invertebrate organisms which then pass that through the body which then add in well you can kind of see the picture you have a chemical potion so unique that it&#8217;s Unique on the planet so if you have a o factory system like salmon do that can sort out individual molecules at the rate of about one out of a million they can find that molecule then it&#8217;s not surprising uh that a salmon wood swim out of the neana river swim out into the ocean go to the Bearing Sea swing by the Asian coast and come back up the California coast and swim into the mouth of the the canum and start making choices and so this is the first one it has to make big one left or right okay I mean you either go neana or you go in the can so that&#8217;s the first move so the messages start getting read first of all you had to just find this place okay to begin with and then you had to start reading these messages about which water as that set of material that was here when I was here last four years ago and sniff sniff sniff sniff you know trying to sort that out and making that hard left and then you know was it mil Creek it is my did my parents live in mil Creek H not quite right there it&#8217;s four molecules off so it goes on by and uh and what about shangar Creek and what about China crate and oh coo crate that&#8217;s Bells are going off match up match up um and so it takes a hard left up the hill by the elementary school and it&#8217;s headed back now to that unique place where those S would would uh you know have their origin and got that that unique code I say unique on on the planet so sometime we call this St and people say that is so amazing I me how in the world can these s to do that you know and not trying to detract from the absolute Marvel of what at all I sort remind people you know what&#8217;s really amazing at least to me that&#8217;s that&#8217;s all it can do it could have not done anything else okay so in a way it sort of changes a conversation and that there&#8217;s a certain amount of sort of Destiny to this process that is it isn&#8217;t really left little left and maybe it&#8217;ll work out be nice and you know it&#8217;s quite precise and so if you look at some of the things that creatures do and it&#8217;s and it&#8217;s kind of surprising that you know you think about January and Clark is mentioning waiting in 3 ft of water across and I got a right across the first time and then waited across this Grand River um and in those 4 days at least the part was here um you know going through all this salmon territory kind of no mention of salmon no mention of Tides which would have been in January would have been like the big deal of all like as you know you know go to the cove and the waves are going over throwing rocks into the parking lot you know very high water so it&#8217;s no small item that and 3 ft of water across the mou of the river so kind of I know it was bad weather but wasn&#8217;t bad weather that day you wouldn&#8217;t be waiting across the mountain mechanical I can tell you there wouldn&#8217;t be a low tide to go across there and yet they waited across that but kind of no mention of the salmon but when we look at the Salmon today in the minana system native salmon in January December and January you know we we sort of consider that we&#8217;re looking at the same fish that were running through those Waters 200 years ago the same fish that were running through those Waters 10,000 years ago these are all the progeny of those uh individual ation and the irony of it is that there&#8217;s a there&#8217;s a population of about 500 coo that sort out that neana system every year and spawn in all those little screams there&#8217;s eight streams in the city of seaside&#8217;s boundary and seven of them have spawning coal and some cases as many as 100 fish sort of still there today and yet you go to the ne mon system and you look at it it looks kind of well might be a little smelly looks kind of Muddy looks kind of dirty and uh so in some cases when on our sort of sarcastic days we say well it looks so bad that no one tried to fix it so it&#8217;s still working so that&#8217;s kind of the conclusion we got out of that one well the other thing that I&#8217;ll mention I&#8217;ve covered I&#8217;ve covered the razor clams I didn&#8217;t mention the ghost shrimp just because that had to be a freebie but the material is so limp you know the kiten on a ghost shrimp is just you know it&#8217;s going to go away pretty fast and when we went back well in the 70s you know Smithsonian did an excavation at palro site and they used qu in sivs to SI all the material and they got thousands of artifacts hundreds of thousands of funnel material bones and things and but when we went back and found their SI piles and they took the SI piles the stuff went through the screens and they at that under stereoscope that was where a lot of the world was I mean it turns out that almost all of the verra of the small fish went through that quartering screen and all the little pieces of ghost shrimp went through it and so there&#8217;s kind of a a pretty big missing part of the story about this because and I guess maybe if they didn&#8217;t have a low tide you wouldn&#8217;t have noticed all those gin poles but you know if I was going someplace for the first time and looking across the mud flats of the neana and that&#8217;s all I saw I think it would come up I me say wow what are all those holes in there you know and then if you had noticed some creatures doing this you like what are they doing and if you stuck around long enough and then you saw what they were doing you know that long long Bill Cruise off here every year and they gr shrimp okay so just about every creature and if you tell the story of the ghost shrimp people shake their head like the salmon story like the clam story like wait a minute now you&#8217;re telling me that those ghost shrimp they build this U u-shaped tube and then those Flappers that they have on the bottom of their body they use those to pump water through and invite other guests in into that tube and then pump 400 gallons of water through there and then the bottom of the tube is where all the debris settles and then they pick through it with those very delicate little mandibles that can almost handle things at the size of a Micon little decaying particles of of Marsh Grass and well it kind of keeps going on and then there&#8217;s things that live on their claws that then feed off of some of the material that they well it just you know it&#8217;s sort of like everything we talk about here just keeps going a little bit off the chart because it&#8217;s like wow and then take all the complexity of every one of those creatures and adapting to sand and reading molecular structure and and then stir that all cuz that&#8217;s all going on together and a whole bunch of those things have to interact to survive so then you take all that complex and then multiply you know by factors three or four or 10 or 10,000 so when I look at when I look at materials from Native American mens in this area and sort of think about a culture that was embedded in that process themselves with their complexity and their delicate inter action at precise times and many of the as Doug was talking about in the last session many of those were I&#8217;ll call them esoteric not that they weren&#8217;t incredibly be but they were imposed views on the system they didn&#8217;t arise out of the system but at the same time they were imposed over time and therefore their accuracy was comparable to having analyzed the same that situ situation for analytical values so you have to think about it sort of in in that context well the other one would be the life cycles of the of the Nearshore Birds uh sheer Waters and wh scers uh in the in the palmrose site uh 25 Marine birds were found uh in the following makes at 25 species and of that about 10 of them you could find them as drift once in a while but if you&#8217;re going to get get them in new numbers you have to get in a boat and go offshore a fair amount to start catching up to Albatross and and City Shear Waters and things like that so that&#8217;s another part of this sort of grand story is the kind of science that would be embedded in your culture deep enough that you could repeated over time to go offshore and collect up green birds where they I mean the rating there are big numbers Millions even now sh City sh Waters you see you can see 300,000 you stand at the C looking offshore and binoculars so there&#8217;s lots of them but getting to them and getting to them at the right time and then of course understanding how to process and make them a part of their culture so like I say 25 species have identified uh right now in just one uh mid sight the other creature that was found at Great rates uh was the sea which is another challenging creature very mobile they&#8217;re large they&#8217;re strong you know you going have to know a lot about their ecology to catch one um where are they how do they feed when can you get there kind of all the all the sort of insight into uh otter culture in some of the inventories um the bone material from a given meter of B remains it was as high as 44 to 46 bone structures from CR and I mean there that kind of density so there was also some U sort of collective effects that occurred from getting individual organisms that come out at incredibly High rates keep in mind the SE are you know long gone here but more than likely they were managing large kelp BS off tomad and were a part of that help sea urch and seaotter S which is kind of say another one of those sort of complex features um we&#8217;re out of time got a couple of little giveaways this is just a reminder a little bit about today&#8217;s discussion and that&#8217;s that uh my goal here is kind of help you change the way you look at a tree and when you see the limbs on a tree it&#8217;s easy to think the limbs are on the outside of the tree but when you sort of see this picture this is a stump in which everything inside the stump rotted away except the limbs okay and even though it looks like a torture chamber it&#8217;s really the inside of a tree and what the limb looks like from the trees perspective okay so grab one of these if you&#8217;re interested it&#8217;s got a nice little reminder uh for you which is kind of my party comment uh and it&#8217;s a challenge for all of us as we sort of head into this next uh decade about thinking about our place and how to live sustainably in it so thus the task is not so much to see what no one yet has seen but to think what nobody yet has thought about that which everyone has seen thank you does anybody have any questions for now I um it&#8217;s just that I wondered what the word is it mid m i d d n I&#8217;m not and how would you define that a lay of Earth I&#8217;m not sure I would okay it&#8217;s it&#8217;s kind of the cultural living site may have been a short ter campsite or may have been a long-term living site in which uh lacking Garbage Service uh it just kind of went out the back door of the long house and all the organic material and it piled up and it decayed and sank down and some turned soil and and so it become the the history of that culturals for the most part food Gathering and and see side there&#8217;s maybe the greatest Legacy of any City on the entire Pacific coast of mittens where there was cultural uh inhabitants for thousands of years uh starting about 4,000 years ago and those are maybe 10 ft deep and then every inch of this some piece of History going back thousands of years and so there were lots of sand in this year lots of sand bur not too many the next year so you you can sort of restructure the history of the culture by going through that V AR pardon would that be an archeological term it is yeah it&#8217;s uh yeah it&#8217;s a common term for the West Coast anyway where yeah okay yeah that&#8217;s that&#8217;s it it&#8217;s the and many of them do have just shells because the the uh natives moved from one location to the other depending on availability of a harvest at that particular time so you find these clam mittens only clam shells nothing else uh sort of from here North what did they what did they do with the grimp you said there was go shrimp there oh what did they do with what did they do why were they in the mid um that they might have eaten them I there&#8217;s not much there for for eating part of it so they may well have used app claws for something or some portion of it but they they&#8217;re just there so how they were used I I don&#8217;t know we haven&#8217;t seen anything made out of them like unlike let&#8217;s say the uh the little sand snail that you find down on the beach um all about uh you know they collected those probably didn&#8217;t eat them but if you take a fingernail file and just rub on the very end of it it takes just a few swipes and you knock the end off and then it&#8217;s Hollow all the way through so that become a really nice bead really plus one the first be that you have time for one more question okay i&#8217; like to get back to je Jefferson you said that Jefferson had his son&#8217;s report temperature so I&#8217;d like to ask a couple of temperature questions to the presentation one is did leis and Clark record any temperatures they want I don&#8217;t think they did they had what what sort of therometer would they have used and the third sort of related question is the salmon going up stream do they respond to gradients in temperature in the migration or is it a chemical gradient in the what far as we know it&#8217;s gradient but can temperature can be a barrier that is it you know if you those who were in the west 2 years ago when fish started going up Basin and the largest fish die off in history occurred in the pouth river 78,000 sh salmon died from a temperature barrier because so much water is be in that system so temperature for salmon can be Buri I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t know about thermometers U but and I haven&#8217;t looked at the journals to see if there is any Precision about temperature I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t remember seeing anything but there might be something there right we&#8217;re going to have to we&#8217;re going to have to wrap up our program for the day I&#8217;ll be here for a few minutes so thank NE M for coming in and talking with us this afternoon this does complete our schedule of programs here in the tent to many voices today and</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al got got four of make sure secur well be here all day long we can take up the slack on this take her back we got we&#8217;ve got a fourth one right we have a fourth one we we have a fourth row okay you&#8217;re going to have to do three take Mo this one over here this you brought four ropes up or did drop sry this this beautiful country up here to Rolling Hills yeah power uncover got get for recover oh know hey he again day over ho love down hey cor three cheers to the Maha Nation J off pil secure your pil facing to the left hey out right ready step you h okay are we going to do that we&#8217;d like to invite everyone to come on in and have a seat we have a little presentation that is going to continue so please morning my name is Pat Jones and I&#8217;m the chief of interpretation for the L Park National Historic Trail and for the cor Discovery te project I&#8217;d like to welcome you this morning here to the T of many voices I HED you enjoyed the short ceremony we had here this morning uh doing a reagin of a flag raising that occurred fairly near here over 200 years ago and you&#8217;ll hear a little bit more about that uh historical event here shortly but we have some presentations that we would like to do and some individual that I would like to introduce you to but first of all I would like to thank the Omaha people for our wonderful visit here it was way too short we&#8217;ve only been here for uh less than a week though we have been on and off the reservation uh meeting with individuals everything from organizing a wonderful hand game that we had on Sunday evening to uh planning the events that you&#8217;ve seen over the last couple days so the National Park Service is very grateful to the Omaha people from W welcoming us into their uh community and into their homes and I think we&#8217;ve made a lot of wonderful friends here um I would particularly like to uh thank wona sere who has been one of our main contacts here and organizing this event as well as Pierre mer who I don&#8217;t think is with us this morning but uh he is uh busy getting ready for the Sundance that is coming up uh so he&#8217;s got his hands full both trying to organize the events here and other things that are going on in the community so um and what I would like to do now is uh introduce those of you that don&#8217;t know him uh give an opportunity to uh make some remarks uh the chairman of the tribal council for the alah tri Donald gr cool I want to thank everybody for being here today um the relatives and among people you know maybe some I don&#8217;t know right off that are visiting here from the city I apologize for that for not knowing you um you it&#8217;s always a an honor to be treated as well as we have by the park service and by geted with all these soldiers and everything it was also you know honor to watch what happened there you know something that uh took place it&#8217;s part of our history 200 years ago and so I think I can speak for all the M that are here that we one of the very few tribes that have never been removed from their Homeland this is our original Homeland you can he over you know 300 years so I think that&#8217;s really says something about how we&#8217;ve survived and how we&#8217; succeeded for all these years and I think uh the people that have more knowledge of our and our culture and everything should be up here and I I kind of feel misplaced up here but I think we have a lot of individuals in here that you can visit and we tell you about not only our spirituality but our real Heritage as as it&#8217;s grown through all these years these of these individuals that were presenting up here seeing and are part of that and they&#8217;ve carried it on through all these years with their ancestors as well so I think it speaks well not only our pres people but our our ancestors you know that they have enough time took enough time to hand all these things down to family generation to generation so I&#8217;m really grateful for that again before I closer I would like to also mention that we&#8217;re crating our 200 uh years of power and that&#8217;s going to be on through the 26th August 26th through 29th so anybody&#8217;s in the area you know your more wel to come down and see some our original dances with that I I&#8217;ll close I to thank everyone the Park Service Pat all her staff Adam and I just met and say a real special thanks for the prayer that was given by one of our ERS thank you for that and really nice hear you want to thank you for thank you we have been blessed here in the Ten of many voices with numerous representatives from the Omaha people who have come and shared their stories with us and with the general public we&#8217;ve had a significant number of Elders of the community who have come down and spent time with us um Pier mer who I mentioned earlier Joy how have actually traveled to other locations where this exhibit has been and U Rufus white and his wife Maxine were us when we were down in in Omaha and we have just been uh very fortunate to have them come and share their stories uh with us in the tenament voices uh it&#8217;s a significant part of what this project is all about is to give a voice to uh the tribal people during this CL intentive commemoration and with that I would like to introduce you now to the superintendent for the Louisa Clark National Historic Trail Steve thank you p uh I would like members of the Park Service staff and the Legacy staff who can come up and join come up here now gr human uh chairman Durant and members of the Omaha Nation I&#8217;d like to Echo Cat words thank you so much for hosting us and for taking us into your community uh life Centennial simply would not be any event worth undertaking without the voices people from the first Na and they want to express our for you&#8217;re allowing us to come here with that okay we&#8217;re going to turn this over to Captain RS I&#8217;m going to go without the microphone it kills the pictures they give us enough trouble about having Motors on the boat Steve what a little microphone first of all I&#8217;d like to thank uh chairman Grant uh for something that was very important to us is and we&#8217;re going to have a presentation a little later this morning talking about the discovery Expedition but one of the great things that&#8217;s happened with the discovery Expedition as we&#8217;ve moved across the country has been the fact that we&#8217;ve been able to help communities from the very from Washington DC all the way to the St Louis area last year celebrate not only commemorate not only the vice IAL but celebrate their own Heritage and their own communities along the way and that&#8217;s something that&#8217;s been very important to us is while we&#8217;re commemorating Lewis and Clark and this journey that took place 200 years ago we are excited about the opportunity to celebrate the communities and the people who we encounter along the way and there and and while this overall Bicentennial is a commemoration and we want to make that distinction the people along the way need to celebrate their Heritage and and the pride that they have in their communities and their people and we are so pleased to continue that tradition as we move into Indian country and we&#8217;re very excited about the prospect um that flag that went up this morning on that pole up there there are two flags there one was a pennant flag that was typical of those used by the core during this period 200 years ago and the other is the tribal flag of the Maha people today and if you notice they&#8217;re flying together up there and that&#8217;s significant because 200 years ago two cultures met two distinct and fully realized cultures met one another and came together near this place to to find some middle ground and to communicate with one another and when they came to that meeting they came as proud and independent peoples on both sides so those flags are flying up there today together and co-equal and we&#8217;re very proud of that and as you may know two members of the original Expedition were of a Maha extraction leish and crat and despite the fact that kisat would later shoot Captain Lewis in the rear end we don&#8217;t hold that against and we want to honor both of those members of the Expedition and uh one of the things that we&#8217;re proud to do is as we leave here today we were very flattered to be presented by the chairman with that flag to fly here today and when we leave here that flag will fly on our red perog as we move through this traditional homeland of the imaha people to both uh indicate our regard for your people today and recognition of your Sovereign Nation status as well as to recognize those the the heritage of those two individuals who served with distinction on this Expedition 200 years ago in service of what would become all of our country one day and we&#8217;re so proud to do that and with that in mind chairman Grant if I could ask you to come up 200 years ago when the core came by much of the cargo they were carrying on the K boat was intended for use with negotiations with Native people it&#8217;s important to remember that a lot of times we put this Louisiana Purchase in the perspective of a purchase that we bought something outright and fact fact what happened was we acquired from France the right to negotiate a relationship with the native nations that existed in this territory and part of the purpose of this mission was to negotiate those relationships and regardless of what came afterwards it is my strong belief and I know it&#8217;s the strong belief of the membership of our organization that that expedition from 1804 through 1806 moving across the interior of this nation that the Expedition under the command of Captain&#8217;s Lewis in Captain Clark was one of peace and friendship a promise of hope for the future of people working together to a common goal and history has given us all twists and terms but we are here today as the discovery expedition to reiterate the message of the first expedition on of peace and friendship and a hope for shared Commerce and mutual benefit as we move forward into the 21st century and a new day as we help to restore the hoop of trust between our people thank you chair with that in mind I&#8217;m going to let cther Clark present a couple of items that would have been typical on the original Expedition and these are gifts to you sir as well as to your people as a whole this is this is a replica of the Jefferson P metal that was carried by the core of Discovery it has an image of President Jefferson on one side and the message of peace and friendship on the other with the clasp hands the cross pipe and Tomahawk chairman Grant my privilege chairman Grant this is a traditional Pye tomahawk in peace and friendship we would like to present pipe Tomahawk and traditional bag while these items are are for you to hold to but we want you to know that these are extended to the to the Oma people as a whole but uh we know how hard that any politicians life is and that at some point in the day you probably are on the weekend want to go fishing or hunting or get away and do something for your own self and this is a personal gift for you sir that we&#8217;d like you to use with in good health and enjoy it in whatever Endeavor you may decide to use it in and this is a this is a hunting knife made by a member of actually a friend of our organ organization who makes these by hand as is the hawk pipes that you have there these are made by folks who are involved with our organization as we try to keep the traditional skills of our people alive and that&#8217;s becoming increasingly difficult for all of us to keep our traditional skills alive but uh this again is a personal gift to you sir and we hope that you&#8217;ll use it in good health thank you very much four three cheers for Thea hipip hipip hipip private deing H CH ground your p we and last but not least it&#8217;s only fitting since you gave us a flag that we would give you one this is the 15st star 15 stripe flag that flew over the boats of the Expedition when they arrived here 200 years ago today and despite the fact that your people were out hunting and many of them were gone and may not have had the opportunity to see that flag 200 years ago we&#8217;d like you to have one now to keep in your a gift from us to you all and uh we want you to when you look at this to think of us the discovery of condition of St Charles Missouri and we want to assure that assure you that you have friends on the trail who are continuing to tell the story of the M people as we move across this country and we want people to know that your nation is alive and well and prosperous and each day has a brighter future thank you thank you I don&#8217;t talk CU L as white people thank you for all the pr gifts you honored us I&#8217;d like to mention yesterday they had some Elders sitting up there and telling their stories about their their lives and I don&#8217;t think uh there was one of them that didn&#8217;t say they were real proud to be Omaha so that&#8217;s how I feel right now very very thank you very as Captain Lewis mentioned 200 years ago when the core of Discovery came to the homelands of Maha it was with a message of peace and friendship and it is that that same message that we share today and with the discovery Expedition and with all those involved in the bicentennial uh we look forward to 2006 and Beyond to look back and talk about what our Legacy is what what the legacy is that we left after our adventure our core of Discovery Across the Nation and we hope in fact at this point I think we know that it will be a legacy of peace and friendship and that events like this brought our communities and our nation closer together and our Legacy will be one of coming closer together as a nation as an American family and it is is it&#8217;s an honor to stand here today and a privilege where my ancestors stood with your ancestors and to be a part of making that Legacy become a reality thank you chairman it&#8217;s an honor to be here ladies and gentlemen on behalf of National Park Service and the and discovery Expedition St Charles thank you for coming to our event this morning and also on behalf of the Oma Nation um our next program here in the tend to many voices going to start very briefly Captain Lewis Captain Clark Scott Mandell and K bu Clark Discovery Expedition St Charles we&#8217;ll be talking a little bit about the Journey of the second core of Discovery momentarily and I want to thank you for coming to our opening event this morning and hope you enjoy the rest of your time here with our core of Discovery too ladies and Gentlemen please come join us uh our 11:00 program is about to begin and I&#8217;d like to thank you all for coming out this morning we&#8217;ve got a beautiful day nice little breeze blowing and uh we&#8217;re very happy with the temperatures we are part of the National Park traveling exhibit the Lewis and Park traveling exhibit and we are following along in the footsteps of Louis Park and stopping in towns and cities and reservations along the way to talk about the ls and Clark Story and when we talk about the Lewis and Clark Story it&#8217;s not just their story it&#8217;s a story of Lewis and Clark the men that went with them the woman that accompanied them on this journey and of all of the peoples they met along the way so hopefully our tent of many voices is a place where all of these voices can be heard and shared to tell the entire Lewis and Clark Story and the stories of those people who have followed them Andross this land as well so welcome to our traveling Exhibit while you&#8217;re here take time to go over and visit our exhibit tent there&#8217;s a 35 minute audio tour you can do of the exhibit we have our scale model keelboat and our PLS Indian TP out in the front so you can see some of the artifacts that Lewis and Clark would have seen on their Journey that were used by the Plains Indians of that time so today let&#8217;s go ahead and get started with our program and we&#8217;d like to thank you for joining us and we&#8217;ll have Scott Mandell and pton Bud Clark here to talk about the Journey of the second core of Discovery so I&#8217;ll turn it over to you all thank you we don&#8217;t have to hold anything great well thank you all I I probably most of the people sit here a number of people already know about who we are there&#8217;s a lot of small crowd but we we want to let you hear the story of our organization um the planning for the vi Centennial has been going on for a long time I guess by a lot of different people people who uh all across the country who had some different connection to the story or whatever and some places in excess of 30 years people have been anticipating this Bicentennial which is really the bicentennial of New West as many people have referred to it it&#8217;s the vice Centennial of everything west of the Mississippi River with regard to the United States of America as a nation and uh one of the individuals who was keenly interested in taking steps to prepare for the vi Centennial was a man by the name of Glenn bishop and Glenn and Bishop was from St Charles Missouri and he was a contractor and businessman and among other things he was an antique boat hobbyist and he had built wooden boats in the past and sort of thing it had a real love for boats and particularly old boats Wooden Boats and had built a couple and uh living in St Charles Missouri in 1979 I actually had the privilege in 1979 when I was a little kid of uh of attending the very first Lewis and Clark uh Heritage Days event that took place there 25 years ago in that town and from that time on roughly uh there was a deep commitment in the community of St Charles to tell their story as it related to the overall expedition in in this chapter in American history and one of the things that frustrated Glenn very much was the fact that despite the fact that in Clark&#8217;s field notes from Wood River there had always been available to anyone who wanted to go and look and see but there was a an image of the kilbo that Clark had drawn in his field notes and yet everywhere you went across the country every sign for Lewis and Clark had two guys in skin caps in a birch bark canoe paddling up the Missouri River and this really irritated Glen he was a kind of he was a mild mannered guy but there was one thing that was a bur under a saddle blanket it was it was this image of two guys in skin caps in a Birch Park canoe so he decided that in an attempt to set the record straight that he would build a model of the original Kel booat so people would have an understanding of what this vessel was like and you have to remember that 200 years ago the largest vessel that had ever plied the Missouri River was the kilb that L and Clark had taken with them this was this was a massive BFF by comparison to to anything else that been up there there were 50 foot canoes but they were dogouts and things like that and there were there were large boats but nothing like this on this order so he built the model of it and in 1982 kind of showed it to the world as it were and and people were very excited they thought it was neat and that model still exists and it&#8217;s really quite beautiful and all but it was a 1 in to 1T scale so even though it was 50 5 in Long which is pretty pretty big model it did not heat though communicate in full the scope of what this vessel was like and particularly it did not communicate what this boat looked like moving on the water and if you haven&#8217;t seen our boats you should they really are quite spectacular when they move on the water and so he decided to actually start constructing a replica of the first boat based upon field Nots from Clark and Wood River based upon good information from the uh Maritime Museum smithonian Institute and he studied a great deal about boats that were common and typical at that time the man who built the original boat for Lewis we believe is a man by the name of John Walker and there was a great deal of information about John Walker who was a boat right on the 9 Hill River and using this very good research and having been both a carpenter in his own right as well as a boat right he was able to bring a lot of common practical understanding of what was needed to make this boat operational and that sort of thing so he started working in 1983 on building this boat in his backyard if you&#8217;re not aware a boat has to be boats like this are built upside down well it&#8217;s a 55 ft long structure that&#8217;s bowed and when he was making the frame of it for the longest time people thought that he was building this wooden Greenhouse in his backyard and he was kind of the object of ridicule in his neighborhood people would kind of laugh at him and thought he was kind of this Ecentric kind of crazy old guy and then one day as the planks went on and it started to look like a boat and he flipped it over then people really started kind of giving him a hard time and kind of foking fun at him because Glenn had a big white beard and they used to sort of make Noah jokes you know and laugh at him that you know his old guy thought he was Noah building his ark that was in the mid 80s late early &#8217;90s then in 1993 we got the great flood and everybody stopped laughing and at any rate in &#8217;96 the boat was finally finished and we took a 1,000m trip from Wood River Illinois to St Joe Missouri and back to St Charles it took us 7 weeks and if it started out it was only going to be a trip from Wood River up to St Charles for the vice or for the for the Heritage Days event and it kind of grew and grew and grew before you know it was 7 weeks in 1,000 miles and it changed many of our lives fundamentally those of us who were involved with the project because we started to see not only the possibilities with regard to the bicentennial but we started to have a much deeper understanding of the Missouri River Corridor and what it represented to us as a nation environmentally historically spiritually even as this this Great River coursed through the interior of our nation and all that all the things that that that commentated to us as a society the Missouri River is more than simply a river it is a it is an idea in many ways and it became a passion for many of us and we had started to plan on what we would do the next year and indeed we started working over the winter on the white pero the first of the two smaller boats and we had that boat all framed out and the last day I worked on that boat was the 30th of January of 1997 on the 31st of January of 1997 Glenn and another CJ Lanahan who&#8217;s been instrumental in our group over the years they did some finishing touch some touchup work on the kbo because that next week we were going to move the kill booat down to the transor Dome down where the Rams played football for a big boat show it was going to be a display item there with all the boats around it and they were doing a little touchup on it on the 31st of January and they left the warehouse that night about 5:00 Glenn got home at about 520 the phone rang and it was the fire department the warehouse had caught on fire and the boat that had taken him 13 years to build with his own hands by himself in about 40 minutes was reduced to ashes it was a terrible terrible thing was a devastating experience for all of us and I remember the next morning standing in the still smoldering Embers of that moat completely for Lor with a tremendous sense of loss because this vote had come to sort of represent what might be and when I asked Glen what are we going to do his response was I was never completely happy with that vote anyway and that was the day and I&#8217;ve said this many times before but that was the day that I truly understood the meaning of undaunted courage if a man could spend 13 years of his life by himself his own money building this thing that he only wanted to give as a gift to the American people by building it if he could experience this tremendous loss and go forward without any without any hesitation that was the kind of character and a man that I had tremendous respect for and I swore my allegiance to him that day quite literally and from that day on our organization actually grew it&#8217;s sort of like sometimes when you cut a tree back or PR a tree back it it grows more hearty and healthy and that&#8217;s what happened with our organization and in countless members of our greater St Louis St Charles Community came forward retired individuals men who had carpentry skills or some other skill and we immediately started working on the fleet of boats because our Dream had grown by that time to build the whole Fleet of boats and we knew that we couldn&#8217;t get the kbo done in one year so we started working on the white perog because we knew that as important as the boats were just like the original Expedition the most important thing on the trip with the men and it was important to train a crew and if we had to wait until the kill boat was done we would lose valuable and precious time training Crews so in 1997 we completed in 6 months the white pero and that year we took that boat from down to Mississippi from St Louis down and up the Ohio to Fort Massac on the Ohio and then in 1998 we built the red boat in about 8 months and that year we took the white and red Pro together from yank from South kot back down to St Charles passed by here that first time in 1998 in 1999 we began work on the kbo the second kbo and now there were many hands to make the labor light and the work went much faster and in addition to working on the kbat we took the two proges in 1999 from Louisville Kentucky down to Fort Massac on the Ohio River and then in 2000 we took the two foges continued work on the kilbo and took the two foges to Elizabeth Pennsylvania we brought them down to manongi hila to the Ohio and down the Ohio to Louisville and then in 2001 the kilbo was finished and we took it up to Pier South Dakota and brought it back to yanes so by 2001 we had trained on the entire water route from Elizabeth Pennsylvania where it began all the way to Pier South Dakota below D and that was a tremendous amount of training we had a very qualified crew by that time in 2002 we were very worried it was only a year away from the bicentennial and we were very concerned about putting our boats in the water and having an accident and then not having time to have them rebuilt for the bicentennial but we wanted to continue to train Crews so we took 30 men in five dugouts five dugouts not Dugout canoes no such thing a Dugout is a Dugout is a dug at it&#8217;s a log and we took five big logs and 30 men from Beacon Rock to the ocean to the mouth of the Columbia River 140 Mi to continue to train those Crews and so we were ready the B Centennial was about to begin and then it kind of dawned on me that Lewis hadn&#8217;t rided a car from herds and ran out to Pittsburgh to get the boat and he had to get there some other way and part of this story is about understanding how vast a nation we are how big a nation we are and how difficult things were for all of our forefathers as they moved across this great continent and I realiz realized that in order for the story to be complete Lewis had to get to Pittsburgh and so last year on the 5th of July I mounted a horse at Washington DC and rode to Pittsburgh Pennsylvania the core gathered in Elizabeth Pennsylvania in August and in August we departed Elizabeth Pennsylvania we came to abang Gila River to the Ohio down the Ohio River to Koo Illinois up the Mississippi to our winter camp at Wood River arriving there on December 12 just as the original core had done day for day mile for mile and then we spent the winter at camp deis and that fellow who had been helping Glenn years before CJ Lanahan he had dedicated the last three years of his life to building a replica of camp deis in Wood River Illinois a working functioning camp deis that would allow us to train there over the winter and learn the skills necessary for what we were embarking on and over the winter we brought men from our organization now up to 250 members strong from 36 different states and we brought them there over the winter and we trained there and we learned infantry skills from the time and that sort of thing we participated in the three Flag Ceremony which changed the The Sovereign flags that flew over St Louis 300 200 years ago on in March when when Spain and France relinquish their claims to Louisiana and then in may we put the boats in the water on the 7th of May and on the 14th of May the same date and the same hour of the original Expedition once again we were underway and we entered the mouth of the Missouri River and we&#8217;ve ascended the Missouri River now 691 miles on a journey that this year will take us 1350 mil to waser North Dakota and Fort Mandan and we will complete those miles in the same time frame that the original Expedition did it is a tremendous honor for us to share sh this story with America but as we talked about today this story is about much more than simply two individuals LS and Clark and for a long time that&#8217;s been the way we referred to this story as Lewis and Clark but Lewis and Clark is like an icon on the desktop of your computer that you never clicked on you know it came with all that preloaded software that you never used and one day you clicked on that icon and all those great applications were in there and you thought wow if I&#8217;d known this was here earlier I would have used it that&#8217;s what Lewis and Clark is like and while it&#8217;s important to tell the story of the many tribes along the way before we even get to the tribes last year one of the big things we had to talk about was the many tribes that comprised the core itself in 1803 this nation was not a homogeneous Nation it wasn&#8217;t a bunch of people who got up in the morning and thought of themselves as Americans there&#8217;s people who got up in the morning and thought of themselves as Virginians and pennsylvanians and new englanders and Kian and tennesseans and they thought about themselves in a very colloquial way yeah they had joined together to fight the British and gain independence and autonomy from the British crown but a Virginia was a Virginia a Pennsylvanian was a Pennsylvanian and there the two would meet unless maybe in the case of the Whiskey Rebellion and when they met there they were on opposite sides this story is about the moment when those East eastern states started to understand that they were part of something bigger and the men who comprised the core of Discovery were not one group of people they were Scots and Irish and Germans and Welsh and French and it was an Eclectic group of individuals to begin with some like Lewis and Clark from the upper class Gentry aristocracy as it were some from the very lowest levels of society poor dirt Farmers from Appalachia people who knew that this Expedition and being on it would change their lives fundamentally if they could go on this trip and come back that they would reap rewards that would change their lives and the family&#8217;s lives it would give them a chance to have a fresh start in the world a chance to have a leg up upward mobility and it was very important for that group of individuals but they were not a common group of individuals and there was a tremendous amount of angst between them which at Wood River we see played out it was very difficult for the captains to bring discipline and order to this group of unruly individuals but they finally did but then LS and Clark even complicated matters further because they went to St Charles and they recruited all of these French batment to help make the trip possible another chapter in the story of America a melting pot that strength is in its diversity leis and Clark bring into the story Frenchmen who are not only French and speak a different language but are Catholic which is a very complex issue in the late 18th and early 19th century and we see the eclecticism and the diversity of this group of people growing day by day as these people join the crew and then ultimately as they make their way across the nation so many times over and over and over again the turning point in success or failure pivots on the assistance that they are given freely and hospitably by the native nations that they encounter along the way and that is the message and the model that this Bicentennial continues to offer us and that we must Embrace and share Across the Nation is that the story of this core of Discovery 200 years ago is a story that reflects the character of America today it is eclectic Multicultural and diverse and that was its strength then and it is the strength of our nation today it is a great honor for us to be able to bring this story to life it&#8217;s a great honor to be here with you today I&#8217;m going to stop talking let Bud say a few words Bud as you know is the great great great grandson of William Clark we have several descendants with us today and it&#8217;s tremendously it&#8217;s a special honor for us to get to serve with them as we move across the country in this exercise but it&#8217;s also magical to be at places where we get to stand next to descendants of the original Expedition once again grasping hands with descendants of those native people who met them for the first time 200 years ago and see evidence that once again there is an opportunity for the promise of Thomas Jefferson to come true that one day we can live in peace and friendship together and this hopefully is the beginning of that age oh thank you thank you Scott as Scott mentioned we do have some uh other descendants here today the uh um Bob if you would stand please Bob Anderson who is a collateral descendant of George Shannon and his grandson Josh Josh lus um Josh is the youngest member of our organization making the entire trip as George Shannon was the youngest member of the original Expedition also Church my cousin Churchill is here the back Churchill is part of our organization planning to make the entire trip um you know I think that very early on as students of Lewis and Clark one of the first things we recognize is that uh perhaps the the title Lewis and Clark expedition is sort of a misnomer I think if I could change any of the written words that uh my ancestor wrote I I would change that title and give it some a name something like uh the core of Discovery Journey Through the lands of the Native Americans because in fact that is exactly what it was and one of the things that that makes this event today so significant and and so important and why we feel so honored to be here is that quite frankly without the the help without the hospitality and the assist of the Native Americans there there&#8217;s a very good chance that I wouldn&#8217;t be standing here we can say with absolute certainty that the Lewis and Clark expedition would not have succeeded how dismal that failure might have been well we&#8217;ll never know because they had the assistance of the Native Americans and it did succeed and as we proceed across the country and travel through the homelands of the Native Americans we hope that there&#8217;ll be many more like days like this one where we can really enjoy coming together as a nation and as we mentioned earlier this morning that&#8217;s that is what we want our Legacy to be it&#8217;s quite straightforward it&#8217;s really quite simple when this is all over we want to stand tall and say we were a part of bringing this nation closer together as a family and we can see that happening on days like today and it&#8217;s magic it&#8217;s really magic I think Scott did you want to yeah like to entertain any questions now I think that&#8217;s probably best because yeah why don&#8217;t we do that we&#8217;d like to answer questions either about the original Expedition if we can if you have interest in something that happened on the original Expedition something about our Expedition something about the boats um just raise your hand we&#8217;ll bring the microphone as you have questions wave to us Angeles on that side I&#8217;m on this side and we&#8217;ll be glad to entertain those questions for you question um maybe I shouldn&#8217;t say do you plan to do this but will you do this will you write a book are you keeping journals as the original Le and Clark did and write a book to compare what they went through as compared to what you are going I uh my journals are online at Lewis and.net um they are you I&#8217;ve been writing journals for this organization for many many years our our previous training exercises were brief so those journals are shorter but I have journaled since last year since I left Washington DC last year that&#8217;s a journal that probably might be a good historical document to compare what happened on a daily basis as far as books go I don&#8217;t know on the 23rd of September 2006 I&#8217;m probably going to put on jeans in a sweatshirt and you know try to think about something else at least for a little while um I know some of the guys are planning on writing book one of the guys actually last night told me that he&#8217;s got a title for his book they&#8217;re all writing books they&#8217;re all talking to agents and Publishers all the time but the uh one of the guys last time told me and sarden pry appreciate this one one of the titles that I heard last night that one of the guys is working on is sweet corn and Anarchy on the Missouri River yes I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;ll be a book out of it I don&#8217;t know whether the market can bear too many more can&#8217;t throw a stick without hitting a new book on leou and Clark you know uh I&#8217;m trying to keep a journal I I have to tell you I I have a newfound admiration for the members of the core Discovery and their diligence in terms of keeping journals men like orway and white house and my ancestor um I don&#8217;t know how after those long tiring days those physically taxing days that are that were were so much much more strenuous than taxing than anything that we experience you know I get falling down tired doing what we do and it&#8217;s nothing in comparison and I find myself thinking that I should be catching up on my journals and it doesn&#8217;t always happen um in terms of publishing something later um I can tell you this I I did inherit one uh trait from my ancestor and that is the ability to spell extremely creatively in fact uh I have the talent and the ability to even stump spell check and get that sort of sinking sensation when I see that message no suggestion so I&#8217;m probably more of a nuts and bolts guy than than an author but I am trying to keep uh keep a journal my kids me about it you got to do it do it for your grandkid and they lay the guilt trip on me then I can&#8217;t sleep at night cuz I know I should be up working on my journals by candle light but anyway um Le are you related to the actual Le that went on Expedition no Mary Mother Lewis did not have any uh legitimate erors now he did have collateral descendants but he did not have a direct descendant however uh we do believe that he may have uh a direct descendant although not recognized not recognized through a formal marriage or anything that he may have had a child with the lower bruy woman when they passed through the bruy Sue uh in in the late September of 1804 that he may have had a child in the spring of&#8217; 05 uh with with her and uh there&#8217;s some speculation about that I am not a descendant of Mary M Lewis however I curiously enough when I was an act Duty in the Army I am an Army soldier and uh when I was on active duty service I&#8217;m in the guard now and the unit that I served on served with when I was at Duty was the unit that evolved out of the very same unit that Mary weather Le served with other questions all right let&#8217;s give them all a big hand thank you very much it&#8217;s our pleasure to have the discovery of St Char with us and to have Scott and Bud with us to talk about the discovery Expedition thank you both so much and thank you all for coming as well we have another program scheduled at 12</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to you our next speaker uh Miss beev Hines of the Lewis and Clark Trail Heritage Foundation she is going to talk to us today about Chicago web so please join me and help me helping welcome be to the stage today I guess we&#8217;re all here and ready to go and we hope we don&#8217;t have too much traffic on the interstate and too many of them running Jake breaks I don&#8217;t want to break your hearts but I&#8217;m going to uh cut down some of the myths of saga Saka sakaka Saga and twice Clark called her Janie those of us in Iowa learned sakaa years and years ago the north dakotans say sakaka but not the Mandan Hada tribes some of you had your exposure to Sago waya from Waldo&#8217;s novel one of my friends said oh it was such a beautiful story about her that big thick book and I said the only part that was accurate was the start of each chapter where she quoted from the journals s way I didn&#8217;t speak English s way I didn&#8217;t have an affair with Captain Clark I&#8217;m taking all the fun it aren&#8217;t I let Legends and myths Die Hard and some of the myths have been that there was a second Saga that lived until she was close to 100 and then died and is buried on the Wind River Reservation but those of us who are Lewis and Clark people think differently this one could almost start like a fairy tale once upon a time there lived some stories in history should always start that way as far as I&#8217;m concerned but Saga was quite a young woman the only thing now is that the M Dan and the Shoni still don&#8217;t agree on how to pronounce her name you&#8217;re more apt from the Mandan Villages and amasa to hear Saga the shones will sometimes say Saga she may not even have been named when she grew up in the Shi tribe regardless of spellings or pronunciation she&#8217;s quite a remarkable young woman she has more statues 23 than I&#8217;m aware of that have been made her than any woman in American history she&#8217;s got all kinds of paintings she&#8217;s got mountains she&#8217;s got Rivers she&#8217;s got just about anything you can think of named in her honor many books about her and most of them aren&#8217;t accurate kind of hard to go back and get into the Indian history and and have the history come up with what she want according to the journal she was Lioni one of the snake tribe the salmon eaters her people were a semi nomadic tribe they were called the aaduki centered around today&#8217;s Continental Divide through the area of Idaho the lmh High River Val she was probably born in what&#8217;s now the tendoy area what we know is documented about where she was taken in Lewis&#8217;s journals for July um August of 1805 and Lewis wrote that when she was about 12 years of age approximately 1800 she was taken prisoner near the Three Forks Montana area by the Hada Indians they were a raing part the shonis did not have guns they had great horses but they didn&#8217;t have guns and the minaries would come in adasa minari group would come in the men would be off Hunting they would not take women they would not take old men they would not take the young boys they took the young women to be their slave early life as a child had been like well they were semi-nomadic as I said in the summer they went to the mountain rivers to fish for salmon in the fall they crossed the mountains to the Eastern PLS to hunt for buffalo in the spring they went to their C planes for the C rout she learned as soon as she could walk to take her little digging stick so by the time she was three she had a little digging stick and she learned how to dig for rots she learned which berries were edible which of the ground vegetables that they could find were edible she learned how to set up a tear down a t she learned how to pack for whenever they would travel to hunt or anything have to remember the men did the hunting and the killing and then they left the cutting up and all the rest of the work to the women small pox had already been through the area of the shies they were a weakened tribe they got their horses from the southwest from the Spanish and as I said they had marvelous horses just no guns the pl&#8217;s Indians really made the raids and took their toll on them when she was taken she was taken back to the m then area Village the area they headed east but they did did not go by the way that Lewis and Clark came West later they took the southerly route they went in along following the Yellowstone until a Yellowstone f up with the Missour so one thing I&#8217;m going to tell you is she was not a guide she was not a guide she was not a guide she did not know where she was going she did not point out to them take this route she wasn&#8217;t a guide her role key role was As an interpreter for the shonis a woman with a baby meant usually that it was not a war party and she helped them find food but when you see Sago way pointing no she did not know where she was going hate to tell you that imagine being a 12-year-old being taken by a tribe going across several hundred miles and going to live in another tribe where you didn&#8217;t know the language if they asked you your name you couldn&#8217;t even tell them your name because you didn&#8217;t know what they asked so we don&#8217;t know if Sako was her name in the shonis or not the shonis frequently did not give their children a name until there had been some major occurrence in their life so she may not have been had a name so today the Shon and the Man Dan still argue does saga mean bird woman or does it mean b boat launcher did she have a name back then but she went with this tribe to become a slave now being nomadic and going there not knowing the language and going into a tribe that planted pumpkins corn tobacco she had to learn to farm this is a totally alien world to this young woman they raised sunflowers beans corn squash and so the digging stick that she had learned to dig for things with became a digging stick like they used to plant things Amy Mossett and I had a long two hours in the airport one time and she said oh we didn&#8217;t take slaves hello yes you did the Indian tribes almost all of them took slaves I haven&#8217;t been able to ask any of our our uh deep historians who get into genealogy and lineage and stuff if this was a good way to bring in fresh blood to a tribe so that you didn&#8217;t have a lot of inbreeding you would steal from another tribe and bring them in and eventually you took them into their family and then married she was with them about 3 to four years before shano came along sharino had come to the Hada Villages as a Trapper and trater he spoke French he spoke Hada some say he won her in a card game the captains tell us in a in a journal that he purchased her now when you look at purchasing do you think as we do with some other tribes in the country and in the world a bride price he already had one Shoni wife with a small child he was probably close to three times her age thing I like about sharino is he kept marrying very young Indian women even when he was 80 he took another 15year old but he took her as his bride he worked As an interpreter when LS and Clark came he was an interpreter for them we&#8217;re told he was short dark loud rough and was always it seemed like in trouble and kind of chickening out on things during the Expedition what they said was a French man by name Shabana who speaks the big Bell the gr language visits us he wanted to hire and informed us his two SARS were snake shy Indians we engage him to go with us and take one of his wives to interpret the snake language no one says it in the journals nor in much of what I have read over the years as to why they picked Sak waya my own feeling is if wife number one had a 2-year-old and you&#8217;re going to take a Shon wife to interpret you&#8217;re going to take the one that&#8217;s got a baby in a cradle board not a 2-year-old that&#8217;s going to run around Camp when you look at how they had to interpret and the way that language is very interesting private leish who was half Onan and half French spoke French and did a lot of the interpreting so the captains would speak to him in English he would speak in French to shano shano would speak Hada Justa then when he got out to the show you had to add one more layer so trying to interpret and go back and forth could be an all day thing that winter at the camp at Fort Mandan they moved sharo and Sago waya into the fort itself so Sago waya was away from any of her women friends and the women who would help her with her pregnancy and on February 11th we are told that she was in labor with the baby painful violent and one of the Frenchman by the name of your said he had heard if you took a rattlesnake rattle and crushed it and put it in water and gave it to the woman she would deliver quickly well I&#8217;ve had three kids and I think if you threaten me with rattlesnake rattle I might deliver quickly also Clark had the rattlesnake rattle just s gave it to her they say in the journal she delivered 10 minutes later Captain Lewis was enough of a scientist to say he would have to see that many more times before he would believe in the efficacy of it so my nursing background said okay what is in rattlesnake rattle is there something like kosin like we use today to induce labor uh-uh my medical friends say oh B keratin the same stuff that&#8217;s in your fingernails it&#8217;s what&#8217;s in a rattle snake rattle I thought okay placebo effect you tell somebody long enough strong enough that this is going to work maybe it does she delivered on April 11th or February 11th of 1805 and on April 7th of 1805 the kbo went back Downstream 30 men of the Expedition chano Saga and the baby started West 55 days old baby in a cradle board a nursing mother 16 years 17 years old with the original disposable diapers a piece of leather filled with Cattail fluff or Marsh Grass at least it was by greatable the first time that they mention in the journals after leaving on the 7 that she did something for them was she was walking on shore on April 11th she found a pile of wood and she knew that the mice would hide things under the wood so she dug in under there and lo and behold wild are the chokes food for dinner they walked a lot on the shore not always in the boats and she would find The Rook vegetables the things that they could eat she gathered R and all the rest of the way with them now squa was not a derogatory word back then squa when used in context meant the wife of another man back East the Algonquin called the white men&#8217;s wives squa and it didn&#8217;t have a derogatory connotation it just meant you were the wife of another man on May 14th the white perose starts to tip they&#8217;re in the water of the Missour the wind comes up it starts to swamp sh no panics he doesn&#8217;t do a thinging the captains were walking on Shore cruzat blind in one eye and not seeing any the other the good River Boatman was at the runner he threatened shano to straighten things up help write the boat sh froze in the meantime Sago waya with the baby on her back is reaching in into the water picking up journals picking up boxes picking up papers and things as they float out everything they needed that was washing overboard she got most of it back cruzat got them to safety he threatened to shoot Charo if he didn&#8217;t Shape Up mistake was he didn&#8217;t do it LS wrote in the journal that she had the equal fortitude and resolution with any person on board at the time of the accident he praised her June 10th they are now in a camp near the Great Falls they have camped because they are trying to figure out where Falls what&#8217;s going with the river they&#8217;re trying to get the celestial navigation find out what they&#8217;re doing and Saga becomes very ill high fever intestinal pains Medicine of the time one of the things you did was to bleed a patient patient you know they gave you an a medic to make you vomit they gave you a diuretic to make the urine flow they gave you a perg up to clean out the bowels and then they would bleed you and in this case Clark bed her for 4 days she got worse Clark BL her again what the men say in the journals he BL her twice leis was on a side trip Clark wrote every day about her illness and she kept getting worse and she ran a high fever and this is the one place something happened in the trip that might have made a difference had she died on June 14th Clark wrote her case somewhat dangerous he had her swallow some bark Peruvian the powdered Peruvian bark came from the syona tree gave us our quinine but it was also the aspirin of the B so he gave her a dose of that by mouth and and he also put a pus of it on her abdomen she became worse he wrote she got into a depression somewhat dangerous June 15th she refused to take her medicine and so they Clark said to shano I want you to help me I don&#8217;t think shano really cared and Clark wrote that finally got her to take some but he wasn&#8217;t concerned about her health Clark said if she Di it will be the fall of her husband as I am now convinced leis F away he came back and by the time he came back to Camp her arms and her hands were twitching her pulse was very weak leis wrote found the Indian woman extremely ill and much reduced by her indisposition pulse weak and irregular he gave her two doses of farts and he finally gave her some Lum opium mixed with alcohol or water now that will make change in your pulse and it did help there is a sulver spring not far from there it&#8217;s called Sago waya Springs and Le sent the men for some of the sulfur water and he had her continue to drink the sulfur water for a number of days we don&#8217;t know if there was an electrolyte imbalance but they tested the water today and they say no there&#8217;s nothing in it that really would have cured her but a nursing mother what would have happened if she died good question 4month old baby would the men have chewed food and then spit it back out for the baby to eat you have to look at this and you think that could have been a catastrophe it could have been a catastrophe captains recorded every day of her condition took about 10 days for her to get better now what did they think that she had today the doctors say possibly post cartum pelvic inflam atory disease she probably had had diarrhea because theal diseases were among ands we look at that and we&#8217;d say okay do we want to tap it up to a child bed fever the Sago waya that the ls and Clark believe was the true Sago waya died in 1812 at Fort Emanuel 4 months after giving birth to a girl lazette and the fort settler whose name was wrote that the wife of shano who went with ls and Clark died today of putrid fever very much what she had 4 months after giving birth to baby pm to John Baptist they did the journey around the falls it took them three plus weeks to get around the falls and then on the 29th of June there is a flash FL there is this heavy rain Clark sharo sag Lea and the baby are in kind of a valley a gully and this flood comes running through now here&#8217;s where sharo panics again he scrambling to get up to get to High Ground trying not too hard to pull her Clark is below trying to shove her up before the water gets more than waste deep on him they managed to get to the top shelf of this area before anything happened to all of them but they lost the Cradle board they lost all of the baby&#8217;s clothes sharino lost his gun that rainstorm was so heavy and so bad that they had hail Stones between 1 in and 7 in in diameter were told in the journals that the men were beaten and blooded by those hail stones 24th of July now they&#8217;re seeing the Rocky Mountains I love the captains one of those things that you realize that at the time they thought that the country was balanced there&#8217;s Appalachians on the East Coast not too high you&#8217;re going to get to the West Coast you&#8217;re going to find something that matches I would love to have been a little mouse because I&#8217;m told the captains would not have use Square words but I want to know what they said when they started seeing the Rockies and then when they got out to the shies and all they saw was row after row after Row the Indians had told them they would see shining mountains snow on them but they didn&#8217;t tell them how much and I would love to have heard what they said we are now to the area where Sago waya is beginning to recognize landmarks getting out near the Three Forks area this is the land of my people and on August 14th shano hit Sago a and Clark reprimanded him for it now this is one of the thing that Shon tribes and her great great great grand niece Rosanne ninon says please always talk about the violence because there was frequently physical violence in these families Clark sto The Cho I know August 17th they are in the area of the shonis now and Sago waya sees a woman in the distance she said through sharo and such that she and a friend were captured by enemy Warriors her friend escaped and made her way home and the woman that she met was the friend her fingers in her mouth and she dances she is overjoyed to see this young woman when it came time for the meeting with the chieftain a woman is not normally an Indian woman is not normally in a circle with The Chieftains and when you are meeting with strangers if Saga was brought in to interpret she would come in with her head down she would keep her head down until she was to speak and this is where you go English to French to Vasa to show Shy and back and this is when Hollywood couldn&#8217;t have done it any better Chief kwe was her brother now we&#8217;re not sure if it was blood brother or Clan brother but it was her brother and it made it much easier to go and get the horses now the custom of the show time was that she had been promised to a young man when she was a child they asked her to stay with the shies this young man though did not want her for now he had two wives and children and she had another husband and she had a child by him so he didn&#8217;t want her so there was no reason for her to stay with him one of the things that came up was on the 25th of August kight&#8217;s people had been starving the members of the Expedition hadn&#8217;t had a lot to eat beforehand and though he had promised horses Kam was going to take his people to go on a buffalo hunt because they were starving and here is where shano is in trouble again because Saga overhears her brother saying that they are going to go on a buffalo hunt which wouldn&#8217;t let no horses for LS and Clark she tells shano and shano does not tell Captain Lewis at first not till later in the day the captains did though hold Choate to his promise of horses so on the 29th of August they got their horses and their mules even got a horse for Chicago whale through the bitter Roots starving I&#8217;ve often wondered how a nursing mother managed with the food supply that they had to keep enough milk for a young child but she apparently was given enough and managed to do that this is an area where they were Clark recognized her usefulness the wife of shano interpreter we find reconciles all the Indians as to our friendly intentions a woman with a party of men is a token of peace they recognized that through the mountains out to the coast there were a couple of times during the Expedition I would love to have been with them I would love to have watched all these men carting water to pour down a hole to get a prairie dog the other thing I would love to have seen when you read the journals is when the men do the Rapids of the Snake River and the Indians are watching and I&#8217;m wondering if the Indians are thinking those crazy white men do they know what they&#8217;re going to do but they got to the coast November 24th they are going going to take a vote for where to over winter York got a vote he voted for Overlook like 11 of the other men so that they could see what was going sakado WEA first woman to vote the Native American voted kotas and in the journals this is one of the places that CL called her Janie Janie voted poas root V vegetabl WAP where there is food has to be the practicality of a woman on the 30th of November Sago way had been hoarding flour to bake something for young pong she had gotten wet and it had started to sour so she baked bread and gave some to Captain Clark he said it was had not had bread for months so it was a treat and I say okay did she start the sourdough bread thing because that was Sour Dough Bread by the time she used the wet sour flour when they had the camp at Fort pla was the first time that cicago waya sharo and the baby had a room of their own all the journey traveling west they had used the large leather tent stayed with Captain leis Captain Clark George Jer the other interpreter shanoa and baby pal they had shared T all out one of the interesting things on this was from November 4th to March 23rd there were only 12 days it did not rain on the Oregon coast and only six of those days did the sunshine kind of a wet miserable winter Captain Clark&#8217;s note that they did Christmas gift exchanges on December 25th you know there&#8217;s nothing like a Christmas dinner of rotted elk meat they exchanged some handkerchiefs one of the men made a pair of moccasins for clar but Sak waya gave Captain Clark 24 weasel Tales how do you know what weasel Tales are when they turn white Herman she had brought them from the Shon when she was there with her Tri now I&#8217;m not saying she didn&#8217;t think a great deal of it because I think she did and he probably treated her better than Captain Lewis did but she gave him 24 white weasel taals that made marvelous decorations this woman had the captains take her belt of blue beads away from her to buy otter skin cake the Indians on the were ferocious Traders they&#8217;ve been trading with all the sailors for years and the other people coming through and they would hold you up for highway robbery and the captains in their journals did not speak too highly sometimes of them but she had lost her belt of blue beads for trade for that on January 6th they hear about the huge quailes over on the beach and sag waya wants to go see it she has come all way with the men she&#8217;s done everything the men have done and she wants to go see the big fish and what I would love to know is how did she make known through sharbono without stamping her feet to the captains that she wanted to go see that big fish she got to go it was a 3-day trip carting the baby in his in the Cradle Now by then he&#8217;s about 10 months old had to climb this one area to get over to where this big fish was and by the time they got there it was bones most of the glubber and meat had been taken but she was allowed to go she had gotten she wanted to see the ocean and she wanted to see the big fish they started back in March by the time in April the expedition was forced to pay very high prices for horses sharo took two of her leather dresses away from her to trade for a horse he also gave up one of his shirts but it wasn&#8217;t like taking her dresses again didn&#8217;t ask just took it in May baby pom became very ill high fever slowen at the back of his head and his neck those of us with gray hair probably remember the words of mastoid and the infections that we used to get before the days of antibiotics they said that he was cutting teeth and he had the LAX that means he&#8217;s cutting teeth and he&#8217;s got Di so what did they give him laxative he was the only one in the whole trip who got an enema and then the white man had the audacity to write but the child felt better they used a pus of hot onions as hot as he could stand they used a pus of beeswax pie and Pitch as warm as could be applied he did survive it it&#8217;s amazing when you look back at this and think of all things that happened to the men and everybody else we don&#8217;t have immune systems like that today no way they had them they put up with the bad water the half rotted meat of course then when they got disent they got Dr Rush&#8217;s Thunderbolts to clean them out and I think sometimes that may have been a help instead of all that the one time coming home that she was a guide the men had split Clark was going to go to the yellow store leis was going to go up here what is now cut back Montana area and she told Clark through interpreter that there was a pass in the mountains that her people took and if he went that particular way it would shorten his trip he could make it through there easier today we know it as Boseman pass and it is the one time in the journal that he calls her my pilot that is the one time yes she knew where she could tell them to go I don&#8217;t know if she pointed there but most of the time no she wasn&#8217;t a guy on August 17th 1806 sharino and the family left the Expedition sho got $533 he got the tent he got a horse one what&#8217;s K again Sil Sil no pay Clark expected I think to make it up to her later because the ricra village on August 21st he did write a letter back to sharino saying that he did not have it in his power at that time to reward her as she should be Clark asked to take the baby back to St Louis with him and educated not live with him but educate him and Saka said no he was not weaned yet he was 19 months old later Sago waya visit through this area down to Missour was in 1810 and she and Cho went to St Louis Cho tried to be a farmer he was given some land sold it back to to Clark went back up the River in 1811 racken Ridge and his journal had written that in 1811 shano and his Indian wife who had gone with ls at Clark to the coast were there on the boat that was going back up the river and that she liked the flight which made me think she was trying to dress as the white people did but her she was in ill health and they on their way back December 12th of 1812 Fort Manuel letting WR this evening the wife of sharino a snake squa died of a future feater she was a good and the best woman of the fort age about 25 years she left a fine infant girl lazette what sagaa did was fantastic feat accompanying the man doing everything that they did except the hunting but she was looking for Soldier food to coast and back it&#8217;s like that old saying you know Fred St was a marvelous dancer The Ginger Rogers did everything he did only backwards and then high heels and long dress well Sago waya did it in her moccasins and with a baby on her back a nursing mother Louis said she was happy to Lucky Clark called her uncomplaining and such a trait wouldn&#8217;t have been gotten such a compliment if it weren&#8217;t true ly took baby Lizette and another young boy down to St Louis arrived in 1813 applied to the court in August for appointment as a guardian for lazette as well as for a Tucson a boy about 10 years old in the court records his name has been crossed out and William Clark&#8217;s name has been sub ited so William Clark did the educating of John Baptist sharino and loette the children were educated in St Louis I love the things that John Baptiste we don&#8217;t know what happened to lazette we know that lazette there was a lazette carono at 24 there was a marriage license but we have not been able to follow anything beyond that we know that John Baptist could speak English French and hadassa was sent to school learn Greek and Latin went to Germany what is now Germany with Duke Paul of whartonberg can you see them with this young Indian warrior throwing a tomahawk in the Palaces of Europe for a few years and learned to speak German Italian and some Spanish and then came back to this country and over educated indan who then went to lead groups out into the West Clark&#8217;s ledgers were found in 1936 he had in the 1820s started keeping track of who was alive and who was dead of the Expedition between 1825 and 1828 the woman who wrote about the Saga waya the one pero the one who never said she was sagaa died before these were published but in his Ledger he had written 182 s dead and then below it SE way off dead when you look at the ways that the name was spelled in the journals about 23 different ways all total and D when he did the journals put in a j because he couldn&#8217;t read their G&#8217;s so you have sakaia Saka s and you keep going on and I still like Jamie whatever you end up calling her she was a marvelous young woman a feet I don&#8217;t know that any of the girls today would walk across the country in their moccasins with a baby on their back and do the things that they did whatever you do she&#8217;s a marvelous young woman she was not a guy but we are very proud and recognized that Lewis and Clark would not have survived or made the journey without the help of the Indians that they discovered along the way that they met up with from the Odo Missoura who gave them watermelons when they met down near what is now Fort Atkinson to the man B van where they exchanged metal and blacksmithing for corn sexual favors of veneral disease too to the show shies that gave them horses to the N Pur who rescued them after the Bitters and W said do not kill them this aged woman he said I have been rescued by white men and brought to my people do them no harm they never would have made it without the na of Americans and wouldn&#8217;t have made it without this young woman Saka the Shon young woman interpret interpret thank you I&#8217;ll take questions if you have any about five minutes left we can take questions any questions there are a few very good books out there&#8217;s a couple on Sago there&#8217;s a little pamphlet The sharo Family Portrait and Irving Anderson wrote that it&#8217;s ailable at our interpreter Center one of the ones I really like is um Chicago way up by Frank tasma and then Harold P Howard did both versions at the very end of the book he wrote the second one I have up here on the table there&#8217;s a book list of good accurate lisis and Clark books starting with inexpensive paperbacks and going on to more expensive ones and then there&#8217;s a sheet that says happy birthday captains Lewis and Clark it tells about their birthdays August 1st was Clark&#8217;s birthday August 18th was Lewis&#8217;s they had their best birthdays of all three years when they were along this stretch of the river so pick one of those up read how they celebrated here and read what happened the other two years on the trail and thank you</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well good afternoon everyone and welcome to the tenam many voices I encourage you to come in and have a seat and join us we&#8217;re just about to get started with our 1:00 program the tenam Min voices is part of the cor Discovery 2 traveling loose and Clark exhibit it&#8217;s a m agency exhibit with a National Park Service being the lead agency if you spend some time here today if you go out to the keelboat for instance you talk to members of the Army Corps of Engineers if you go out to the Dugout canoe you talk to someone from the Bureau of Reclamation so it&#8217;s a multi- agency exhibit and it&#8217;s a multi- partnership exhibit here in the tenam many voices we have a wide variety of presenters that share with us a wide variety of perspectives both on the lwis and Clark expedition itself but also we like to hear from the PE from the descendants of the people that were living there long before Lewis and Clark arrived we&#8217;d like to hear from these indigenous or American Indian nations to share their story their perspectives and that&#8217;s what we have today with our 1:00 program we have we have Howard bogus who is an enrolled member of The Crow Nation he&#8217;s going to share some of his people&#8217;s history and culture Howard is a oral historian has been learning his history and culture of his people since he was six years old so we&#8217;re very privileged to have him here let&#8217;s give him a warm welcome to the tanam voices so you got me on oh okay all right thank you uh want to thank the National Park Service for allowing me to come here to speak with you and uh talk to you about the history of the people who were here when lisis and Clark came uh one of the things that people don&#8217;t see in the in the Diaries and and of the Louis and Clark and and stuff like that that there was people here there was culture there was societies there was religion all of that was here and it was all basically the same as the stuff that Lewis and Clark brought here and uh Jesuit priests and uh other religions that brought religion to the crow people afterwards but uh anyway uh I&#8217;m an enr enrolled member of the Crow tribe of Indians and uh at the age of 6 years old I was designated by a cow cro Indian Elder my named George Washington Hogan and uh when you go down on the Crow Nation you will find many Washingtons you will find many Lincoln and uh things such as this because at that time the Indian people named almost all of their children after a president or somebody that was very very important so you find them types of names down there but Mr Hogan when he adopted me uh that does not mean that I left my my family and went to live with the Hogan Family whoops my outfit fell off here my uh speaker fell off in the back of my belt but uh anyway uh when uh Mr Hogan when he adopted me um I became a a member of the Hogan family so I had okay so I had two families uh to bring me up and when Mr Hogan uh adopted me he he he he asked my parents if I could be brought up as an oral historian so I&#8217;ve studied oral histories all my life plus the written histories I&#8217;ve put together a library of over 8 around 800 books on the cow Indian people and the other Indian tribes of Montana and in thousands of loose leaf pages I I don&#8217;t know I I got so much I don&#8217;t even know what I have anymore but uh anyway when when when he uh asked me to do this then he and in Crow tradition then he designated two people that would be my tutors when I was very young and one of them was one of the people was Robert suar yellow tale who was actually the first American Indian that became a superintendent of a of a tri of a tribe of Indians in the United States and he was one and Mr yellow tale became came back and he became the superintendent of the Crow tribe of Indians uh and the other person who he designated was Robert Summers how who was who was my my mother&#8217;s older brother so I had a clan uncle and and and and an uncle who were my my teachers and these old these gentlemen would take me out and through the hills and stuff you know and you know I can remember now you know when you in the 40s and 50s men we had we were still driving Model A and old junker cars and stuff such as that you know battle tra around the hills and these guys would take me along and say you know this is what happened here on this hill side this is come and look at this these rocks and this the the rocks that this marks a prayer site or a battle site or or it&#8217;s a trail marker or something such as this you know and so I&#8217;ve actually spent most all of my life hiking the hills and looking toward uh my friend Mike penfold here goes with me all the time anymore because I have I lost all my peripheral vision so I only have central vision also they don&#8217;t allow me to drive but old Mike here he takes me all the time and and uh but anyway we go out and we we we uh find the paintings and stuff out here we we visit paintings here that have been carbon dated at 1,000 years old so the you know there was a culture there was you know and that was here a long time uh we we we walked the trails we have a highway system today the Indian people had a highway system one of the main highways is just right out here just west of Great Falls it goes from Alberta Canada to New Mexico and all you do is you follow little piles of rocks all the way um one of the things that&#8217;s always uh very interesting to me is that the I I believe that the Indian people got along a lot better before the white men came along before they was being pushed into smaller groups uh because at at in in our beliefs no one owns the land the land is there for everybody and the land is there to to take care of everybody uh in our and we and in our structure of Life uh our structure of life is a family is is a family structure because I pray to my my father the sky I pray to my mother the earth I pray to my grandfather the sun I play I prayed to my grandmother the moon these are the things that brought us into this into this life in this earth they&#8217;re the ones that brought us up they tutored us they taught us they fed us they took care of us so our our really our our way of life and our religion was our family and our Earth our Sky our sun our moon you know it&#8217;s it&#8217;s like uh my father this guy he looks over my mother the the Earth he showers with the rain my mother the Earth brings up the green grasses the trees whatever it takes to feed us or to feed the animals that we&#8217;re that we are going to consume without it our grandfather the son without our grandfather the son this could not happen because we need the sunlight to take care of it but you know we need time to rest so our grandmother the Moon she watches over us while we rest at night so that we can get ready for our new life that begins in the morning because in our cro in in our croad tradition our lives are one day at a time a life is one day at a time and it is for all of us yes we always plan for the future but our life is still only one day at a time and so that&#8217;s this is how our belief our culture was and this was a belief in a culture that was going on at the time when Lewis and Clark came up through the Missouri River I drew this map right here this map right here this is Mandan right here and uh I drew this map off in Crow Indian oral stories I drew it off of the information that was given by sits in the middle of the land when he signed the 1826 treaty at Mandan with the United States government that was the first treaty that the C Indian people ever signed with United States government so when uh they signed this treaty uh the general he says well sit in the middle of land he says what where where do you live how can I find you if I need to contact you because the 1826 treaty it didn&#8217;t say I&#8217;m going to give you something I&#8217;m going to take anything it was a treaty of friendship because the crow were recognized as a nation by the United States government not as a tribe of Indians not as a reservation we were recognized as a nation one of the very few tribes of there was only a eight to 10 tribes in the entire United States that were recognized by United States government as a nation but anyway when uh when we signed this treaty here and he said where do you live well he says my Crow people live under my Lodge we as Crow when we set up our lodge we use four main polls all of the rest of the tribes use three main poles to set up their lodges but Crow used four so we set up one he says my one pole sets at thei River Big River the Missouri River or the Yellowstone the AA runs into it this is up here on this my second pole it&#8217;s down here and it&#8217;s what where the it&#8217;s the Gap Where the Buffalo come through Spearfish South Dakota that&#8217;s where the second pole was set for the coration the third pole was set way down here in the southwest and uh it&#8217;s at a place that is called that you can visit today it&#8217;s the gurgling Waters pooo Papa Waters and it&#8217;s where the waters are boiling from the ground it&#8217;s a beautiful place to go to our fourth pole set where the rivers mix the headwaters of the Missouri River where the Jefferson all three of the rivers come together here at the Three Forks and this is our cron Nation sets under our law L because our lodge is round if you noticed the the the reserv the the nation was in a shape of a heart and I couldn&#8217;t figure it out I I study father desmid quite a little bit and uh father dmid went back to uh St Louis when he got to St Louis they asked him that where have you been where&#8217; you come from he says I just came from the heart of the cron Nation we have to remember that father dmid drew a good share of the maps of the American West he was a priest a Jesuit priest but yet he you know he had to have a a way to finance himself because uh the Catholic church was not financing the Catholic church was not financing uh father dmet father dmit was a renegade study him oh he&#8217;s fun he is fun but uh anyway when when when he got back to St Louis he said he was he had just came from the heart of the crow country when I use the oral stories this country over here this is Plat River Country this water all runs into the Big Horn River this run water all runs into the Yellowstone River this water runs into the from the Missouri into the Missouri here into the Yellowstone and then Yellowstone Park up here yeah Crow Indians at one time Yellowstone Park almost 80% of Yellowstone Park was in The Crow Nation we should have kept that and give them the rest of the reservation but uh no it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s very interesting of the history and the people who went here but one of the things I like I always like to talk about uh the culture uh we had artists and our artists when they made a painting a thousand years ago you can read it today and it tells you a story um that&#8217;s one of the things I forgot to bring along with me I was going to bring along some photographs of of of some of the paintings and uh there one of the things what I find in the paintings when I see them all the time is that they generally have they generally have the number 13 marked into it there&#8217;s generally 13 little marks you if there&#8217;s a whole circle of marks you divide them they&#8217;ll divide out into because the 13 moons we have 13 full moons in a year the Indian people use that as our calendar the 13 full moons we even had a calendar believe it or not the 13 moons on the Turtles back the next time you see a turtle count the little squares on his back there is 13 that is our calendar that was our calendar yes so you know they was we was doing the same thing as a white man different way uh the other thing that was very interesting it was you know like I say you know the the religion part of it is how how when we prayed when actually when it going to come all when when it all comes down we all prayed to the same person up here when we die I I was buried on the top of the ground because of the fact that if I was buried down under the ground my spirit can&#8217;t rise and go up and I need to do that and and uh you know it was until 1894 that the United States government passed the law and said I had to have 5 ft of dirt on my face yeah one of the things that uh the non-indian people I don&#8217;t say I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t use the term of white man very much I don&#8217;t I I I think it&#8217;s a derogatory term but I I generally say the non-indian and one of the ter the things that the non-indian people did uh get from the Indian people you go to any the cemeteries you&#8217;re always buried so you face the east Indian people were always tried buried so that they could fa they they would face the Rising Sun when I set up my Lodge I would set up my Lodge my openings when I set in the back of my Lodge I would sit there in the morning and I could sit in my Lodge and I could had watched the Rising Sun from the back Lodge so East was a very very important part of of of our of our way uh 13 you know like I say everybody thinks 13 is a great a bad number ah not for us it&#8217;s great no fact is I was in Washington DC a couple of years ago and I was visiting Nick rhof West Virginia and uh when when we were visiting Mr Mr Ray Hall he says uh well you know this might be a bad time for you to have propably to do cuz we was trying he&#8217;s actually put together a bill to try to uh put protection on uh cultural sites historic sites Across the Nation Indian and not Indian but he&#8217;s getting a lot of flak over it because I mean it it it protects a lot of land so but anyway when uh when we was talking to Mr Ray Hall he says well this is my 13th term he says this might be a the beginning of my 13th term he says this might be a bad time I says no this is the most wonderful time for us I said because 13 is our is our good number and like I say when you go around the the paintings you will find them always have 13 in some way or another uh in in the paintings uh some of the paintings I mean you you read them uh you get them get them and as you see on my belt buckle here I have lodges beaded into my belt buckle and the lodge is my home my home is very very sacred my home is my church because uh in in American Indian people we don&#8217;t go build a million dooll building so we got someplace to go on Sunday anytime that I go go out here my feet touch the Earth and I can see the sky I&#8217;m in my church I&#8217;m in my church and and I go there quite often to do this but uh what a lot of times you I like to talk a little bit about the prayer okay I do a prayer something happened in my life I don&#8217;t know maybe a death maybe I&#8217;m not getting along with people or somebody who got hurt that&#8217;s very close to me or something like this I go out to do a prayer and when I go out to do my prayer I go Before Sunrise to where I&#8217;m going to do my prayer I do a prayer twice a year on top of pompy&#8217;s pillar and I go up there I have my little place that I can set I can sit there the entire day people don&#8217;t even know that I&#8217;m there but I go Before Sunrise and I don&#8217;t come come back down off until sunsight at night and when I up there I I pray for what was is is going on happening in my life but I don&#8217;t sit there and pray the entire day I&#8217;m sitting there and I&#8217;m thinking what is the bad things has happening in my life what is what is the way that I can can can fix this uh this more it&#8217;s in our belief is we we need to know who we are within we need to know who we are as long as we know who we are we will do well but the day that we don&#8217;t that we find that we&#8217;ve lost ourselves and we became you know uh maybe we start drinking maybe we start using drugs maybe we do you know we we start doing things but you got to remember who you are and take care of take care of that that person as long as you always know exactly who you are you will do well but when uh I like to talk a little bit about Lewis and Clark now Lewis and Clark entered Crow country right here right here they traveled up Crow country right through here Crow people people were on the Sun River which is west of Great Falls the two Medicine River Crow people were living up there at that time there was Crow people living on the Milk River which is way up here but Lewis and Clark they entered cro country right here traveled up here and out the other side of cro country down at three fors then they returned Lewis made this entire trip back Clark P just drip down to Yellowstone uh there was one of the groups went down to through the Missouri River here again and uh prior made the journey with the horses across over here on these yellow lines so they traveled about 1,700 miles and never spoke to a crow and a lot of people wonder so why did they travel all these miles right through the middle of the crow people they seen signs of the Indians all the way they never met a crow for one reason one reason only mosquitoes these crows they was smart enough that you get back away from the rivers into the hills the high mountains you get away from the mosquitoes and mosquito time they left they left the River Country this was the time when Lewis and Clark was doing all of their things in Crow country and they stayed on the rivers they stayed down in the mosquitoes they got ate up the croww gone what was very interesting at this point right in here where they made the canoes or they made the canoes they camped there 3 days Lou and Clark did or Clark did in his group within 12 miles of where Clark was camped there was a crow Sundance going on at the very same time there was thousands of Indians there it was on the Clarks Fork River as we know it today but then to the to the crow people the Cheyenne the sue the blackbeat this is the river where we all come to dance this meant all of the tribes of Indians come there to the Clarks Forks River they would do Sund dances and they would hunt they would they would take care of their hides their meat and think and get a year supply of meat and then then they would start venturing back home nees Pur I mean there was many many tribes shonne all of the tribes would come there because the Clarks Fork River we didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t fight on that River when we all came to that River we know that that was a place that you could set down beside your enemy break bread eat hunt together maybe we even got together and we went off and raided somebody&#8217;s horse P horses see we never stole a horse I want you to know that we never ever stole a horse we captured a horse because to capture a horse was a very honorable thing for a crow yes to capture a horse is a very honorable thing when I be when I when I wanted to become a chief I had to do four things to capture a horse from within an enemy&#8217;s Camp was one of the things I had to do within the camp that didn&#8217;t mean that he was running on the hillside out here I stuck into the camp and I cut the the rawad that was holding that horse my friend Mike he&#8217;s a sue over here Mike&#8217;s laying in his lodge he&#8217;s sound asleep but he has that cord tied around his belly cuz he don&#8217;t want to lose his favorite warhorse I sneak into his camp and I steal his horse see but really in Crow I captured that horse because I did a very honorable Brave thing I took his horse while he was hanging on to the end of the light the cord yes and so when when when we got the when Clark came down the river we uh we didn&#8217;t get the first nine that was taken further west of the of the Three Forks it was nine that was taken over there and uh the black feet claim them them nine horses that that was taken I want you to I want you to know these guys had Shon and nesp horses Shon got most of their horses a good share of their horses from the NES Pur because the the NES Pur immediately started breeding horses to get a certain type of a horse they wanted a particular horse the apaloo so they started breeding to get the appolo that&#8217;s what the Appo came from and uh but they were strong horses small horses very very good horses us Crow knew a good horse when we seen one you know and here comes Clark down the Yellowstone River you know he&#8217;s just rambling along and he&#8217;s making maps and he&#8217;s doing all of these good things you know that he&#8217;s supposed to be doing but us Crow are sitting up on the hillside counting horses and you know and one of the things that in all my years of studying the military might protect their encampment but they would put their horses over here on the hillside three miles away to graze you know so they would just very easy to get to so we would just come down and we would relieve him of these horses and uh where uh according to the Diaries uh Clark left his horses approximately one mile from the camp where he was making the canoes uh we found a site that pretty much fits the entire diary as to where the horses was being kept because it uh says that from that position there it was one mile approximately one mile to the river crossing for the where the Indians who took the horses crossed the Yellowstone River and going south in in down into Crow country and uh so we we pretty much believe that we found the spot pretty much where the horses was being held but uh no they was they was nice horses and you know we was good the first time you know we only took half of them you know and do Gunn it he went on down the river you know and they got down near where Billings is today and that&#8217;s where they crossed the river with the last 25 head of horses that they was left we&#8217;d already get took 24 in a CT and when they crossed the river prior traveled about six 7 hours and he was at a place called fly CRI today uh fly Crick is is is a is is starts from a basin this Basin is large like this 200,000 acres in it but it only has one little dry stream that goes out of it to drain it one of these big old Montana Cloud bursts come along and here was Prior he was camped on this little Dry Creek and all of a sudden I mean he has a Roaring River between him and his horses and so he spends a a few hours trying to get his horse her back together but when he went to bed he was tired and he was sleepy so he really went to sleep and he got up in the morning and when he got up in the morning he just didn&#8217;t have any more horses uh one of the crow guys wanted to let him know who got the horses so he left a moccasin and uh so we had we we had a pretty good h of her of of horses but now I&#8217;m going to tell you a story about these horses uh the crow horses the horses that the crow T took from the Clark they were taken so easily there was no danger of any kind in us taking the horses so in our Crow tradition we could not keep I could not I I&#8217;m I&#8217;m the person that took the horses I could not keep the horses I had to give them away as gifts so you know really you know Clark he made a lot of pro Indian people very very very happy because I we gave away 50 horses 49 horses in a CO as gifts because in Crow tradition we were not allowed to keep the horses because there was no risk to our life we could only keep a horse for ourself that we risk our life to get but anyway when uh after after that you know then the crow they just took took off and and took the horses and they went kind of into the Southwest Mike and I been working on a trail that goes into Big Horn Canyon National Park called the bad Pass Trail these horses was headed right for the bad Pass Trail bad Pass Trail is a is an area that when you walk you step over this rock and you stumble over the next and you have next step you have a a rock roll under your foot I mean it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a bad Trail but it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a trail that&#8217;s probably 10,000 years old and uh very very well marked but and it&#8217;s marked with piles of rock some of the the the the rock piles in badp Pass Trail they are 10 15 ft apart from here to the other end of the camp they may be five or six piles of rock they will be this High probably a ton or two Rock in in this pile but you know what every one of them rocks are every one of them rocks is a prayer as I&#8217;m going down the trail I pick up this Stone I carry this rock it becomes part of me my my sweat gets on this rock I carry this rock for a while and I talk to this rock and then when I get to where the places where the prayer where the prayer piles of rocks are I get up to this pile of rocks and I spit on the Rock I put part of me on my saliva I put the rock in the pile when I put the rock in the pile I say thank you grandfather for the good journey behind me give me a good journey forward and I go on the next Indian person that comes along behind me does exactly the same thing I can take you to piles of Rock down in the crow country that is growing yet today because in our belief we cannot go go past these piles of rock and we we have to stop and do prayer say a prayer Sandy and I one time we was going up into the prior mountains and she was driving along and and uh I said stop we need to stop and do the prayer well let&#8217;s we&#8217;ll do it on the way way back and I you know I said no you got to do it now Sandy and I went up onto the prior mountains we spent the entire tail on the prior mountains had a wonderful day we was coming back down off of the prior mountains that night we got within 300 ft of that that that that rock pile she blew a right front tire just blew the whole side of it out I didn&#8217;t stop and say my prayer on the way up and ask for the good journey yes no we we believe in this very very strongly we do it yet today but uh you know that&#8217;s that&#8217;s why I like to talk you say tell you a little bit about Le and Clark when they came here I mean we had people who were painting the history on the Rocks the paintings that are on the Rocks today that are a thousand years old uh right now I we&#8217;ve got near 400 located on the Yellowstone River and his tributaries uh when you sat there and you you look at these and I don&#8217;t come come up here and say okay I&#8217;m going to paint on the rock 5 minutes I&#8217;m going down the I&#8217;m going down the trail no Takes Me Maybe years to choose my spot because I want absolute perfect light at a certain time of the year things such as this I go up here I abrate the wall Till It&#8217;s Perfectly smooth I take a a black Riverstone almost every abrasive stone that we have found so far is a Black River Stone so they packed this rock a long ways to do their do their paintings but they abrak this wall perfectly smooth and these walls in this one particular spot that has been carbonated 950 to 1,000 years old this Rock today is absolutely perfectly smooth Sandstone they have break this perfectly smooth they would have put a lot of House Painters out of business business if the house painters could figure out how they made the paint because they paint their paintings on the walls the paintings we we think are just something but no that painting is part of me it tells a part of a story it tells it it tells something about my people and uh some of the paintings we one of the paintings that we find it has a circle it has inside of the circle coming to the middle the shape of lodges all the way around in series of 13 there is 13 lodges make to make the circle on the bottom of each Lodge on the outside of the on the outside of the circle there is 13 fringes but the lodge is our home is our church that the lodge means people that&#8217;s where the people live so that that that that particular painting is very sacred to us because it tells us of of of the people okay there&#8217;s another one there and that&#8217;s right beside excuse me but uh there&#8217;s another painting that&#8217;s right there beside of it and uh the painting that&#8217;s right beside there it&#8217;s got what we call a two-headed water monster on it anytime that we find something that has two heads in the paintings it means one thing I actually it means two things actually good and bad good and evil one one head is for good one head is bad and I&#8217;ll tell you a little story uh that the time took time about in the late 1800s uh Chief plenty C had been on a raiding party we went down come down in Nebraska and he got some good Sue horses I mean you know our neighbors always had good horses and Crow always needed more cuz to to to to Crow horses were wealth the more horses I had the wealthier I was because I could always trade horses for anything that I wanted but anyway when plny cluz was returning he uh got back to the Big Horn River the Big Horn River was being flooded man he got to the river and oh man we can&#8217;t get across and we&#8217;re only a day and a half Journey from home good long day we could probably make it it didn&#8217;t know what quite to do to do big shoulder blade big shoulder blade was a very tall man uh at that particular time most inro Crow people were 6 feet and more taller very very very big people not fat just tall thin people but anyway big shoulder blade he was a very big man he was riding a very very large horse and he said well I&#8217;ll go into the river and he says I I&#8217;ll I I&#8217;ll find find the way to get across so he went and chose his place for where where he entered the river when immediately when he got into the river big shoulder blade and his horse was caught by the water and it started washing him down so immediately big shoulder blade he starts singing a chant this chant song it is to the good and the the evil of the water monster he&#8217;s chanting and he&#8217;s praying that the good the good water monster will get a hold of him and the good water monster will take him to the land the bad water monster will take him into the water this is the belief this painting is on the wall thousand years old that story is a thousand years old uh the other pain painting is there is just of a lodge but the painting that&#8217;s in the center the ball in the middle of it is green do you know that in the state of Montana there is only five paintings that have green in them one is over here at Hela along the lake the weather the other four are on the Clarks Fork River the other four are all within probably less than 30 feet distance of part now it&#8217;s it&#8217;s uh uh and so green is was something that was kind of hard but we we feel that that green was for Earth the mother the grasses cuz the land the Earth turns green so that that that&#8217;s part of this part of that particular prayer that big shoulder blade was was talk was singing when uh when uh the crow people would travel like I say they would Mark the trails with the markers and they had this highway system you can go out right around I I can go around here just about any place in the country out here and I can can choose a valley a river and I will find a a trail that is marked along that river valley maybe a ridge uh one of the things about the American Indian people was they were never afraid of anything that I can see I was never afraid of anything that I could see but I was afraid of what I couldn&#8217;t see that was what was bothered me more than anything so when I traveled most of the time I traveled on a High Ridge I Could See For Miles nobody could sneak up on me no that&#8217;s the way and that&#8217;s where I we find most all of the trails and we&#8217;ve followed these Trails crossed Wyoming Montana I have a friend who followed the same particular tra in Colorado and New Mexico no it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a I can get I can I can go out here probably within one day in this area right here and find the trail right here that takes you to Manan you know why the black feet the crow that&#8217;s just shown where Nomads we don&#8217;t stop to plant to grow the Mandan down here in the river they grew the stuff that we want the English the French everybody brought their stuff here the Mandan when they brought it to Mandan all of the tribes come here there is many many trails that come to and down am I getting out of time okay I I I always talk to the last second so you know that&#8217;s that&#8217;s one thing I always tell people you know about crow about Crow history we don&#8217;t we don&#8217;t have short songs we don&#8217;t have short prayers we don&#8217;t have short stories because in our songs they talk about our history in our life our prayers talk about our history in our life our stories talk about our history and our life and as an oral historian I have to tell you in detail as to what&#8217;s going on this is why I&#8217;m talking about something and all of a sudden I&#8217;m over here talking about something else because I have to tell you the details because otherwise you&#8217;re going to get the story messed up you you need you need the details and and and that&#8217;s how an oral historian is taught I&#8217;ve been taught all my life that when I tell a story I have to tell the details but the Lis and Clark Venture was interesting to the American Indian people uh I call it the beginning of the end it was the beginning of my of the of the American Indian way of life see I I I call you a Native American you are Native Americans I am a crow American Indian Columbus gave me the name of an Indian when he came and I&#8217;m proud to be called an Indian I&#8217;m always very proud to be called an Indian because I&#8217;m very very proud of my Heritage and I&#8217;ve studied my Heritage my entire life I just turned 66 years old two days ago and I&#8217;ve got 60 years of history behind me yeah yeah thank you Howard thank you for sharing your history and your culture and your accumulated years of knowledge with us we appreciate that very much here in the ten many voices there are regular programs every hour on the</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we&#8217;re going to get started in a couple of minutes if our guests and speakers would come to the front of the room and up on stage on stage mayor line I&#8217;m done good morning again my name is Jeff Olsen and I&#8217;m with the National Park Service I&#8217;m the spokes for core Discovery 2 200 years to the Future and the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail on behalf of many people in green and gray and a long list of other people that help us get core of Discovery to around the United States I want to welcome you what we&#8217;re going to do is have a combined uh program here this morning we&#8217;re going to have uh the colors posted and an honor guard with us uh Mike iall um is going to do the opening in prayer for us and then we&#8217;re going to have some brief remarks by the mayor and uh and Sam Robinson from the chinuk and then uh County Commissioner Mark bolt is going to open core two for us so if uh you would stand and we&#8217;re going to begin for he oh hey the for I I all he for you are you are heart Mike I guess uh I&#8217;d like to tell you that uh before we start I&#8217;ve obviously I I don&#8217;t have the the KET Salish or the the tium sah hapton so I&#8217;ll just speak to you as is the language we have uh we&#8217;re here to Mark the the the coming together of our two cultures and I would like you to uh to think about this the the Indian history of the Northwest is truly the ancient history of the Northwest and once you accept that then you can understand why when the tribal people are insistent about cultural resource prote protetion we are protecting your ancient history and so if it seems unreasonable please just remember that as residents of the Northwest the tribal history is your history so with that amen for uh please be seated right left face please stand for the retirement of the Native American color guard good morning I&#8217;m Roy par the mayor of America&#8217;s Vancouver and behalf of the city council of the city of Vancouver and the citizens of the city of Vancouver I want to thank you all for coming this morning for this opening ceremony but beyond that I want to thank everyone and I you know I can&#8217;t name everybody because I certainly would forget someone and someone I haven&#8217;t met who had a significant role in bringing this great core to to Vancouver and Clark County it&#8217;s a great opportunity for our County and our city to Showcase those activities which we have created to commemorate the Journey of Lewis and Clark and the interaction with with our Native American brothers and sisters I&#8217;m very proud to represent the city of Vancouver here look forward to all the crowds that will come they will enjoy they will become educated hopefully they will in fact absorb some of the diversity that will be offered here over the next several days and I look forward to participating in it it brings Great Value to our community anytime we can display the culture of our region particularly for our young people for the future of our country and the future of our world rests in our young people they are our greatest assets so I look forward to seeing them and seeing you all here as as we enjoy this great exhibit and again I want to thank everyone particularly want to thank Arlene Johnson who is the executive director of the Vancouver Clark County Lewis and Clark organization who has for years and years and of course there are City people involved and the National Park Service people involved and there people from every city involved Arlene has led the troops in this effort and she certainly deserves a round of applause I don&#8217;t even know where she is she was here earlier raise your hand she&#8217;s back there okay welcome to you all welcome to cou thank you very much God bless you all and God bless America thank you thanks here and Mike again my name is Mike iel I&#8217;m with the cge tribe um when we talk about the history because that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re here for sometimes you tend to put it too far away uh a while back somebody asked me uh is there any positive connection between you and the Hudson Bay Company about an hour later I realized the well du the way I spell my name it&#8217;s the Scottish spelling uh there&#8217;s a Jesuit spelling that&#8217;s that&#8217;s French that we we don&#8217;t use my great-grandfather used it but our family uses the Bay Company spelling so when you think about the history you need to to again realize that today we know more about Lewis and Clark than they did 100 years ago you got the Molton Journal set you still have Ruben th&#8217;s Journal set and you have the the journals of the fur Traders and what I compare the Lewis and Clark journey to is driving down a dark country road at night with your headlights on and that&#8217;s more than Lewis and Clark saw a lot of places through here they either stopped for lunch or they didn&#8217;t stop at all when leis and Clark got here they compared this to a Marketplace equal to any in world this had already been a A Gathering Place a trading place for centuries perhaps Millennia before Louis and Clark got here and when they came here they saw people wearing sailor suits using metal pots carrying pistols carrying muskets we&#8217;d already had contact Lis and Clark didn&#8217;t discover this area it was already discovered so uh with that I guess I&#8217;ll be brief and uh I&#8217;ll pass it off to Sam thank you my name&#8217;s Sam Robinson I&#8217;m a council member with the chinuk tribe and it&#8217;s just such a beautiful morning uh to hear drummers when you come in here and and uh and we&#8217;re honored by our veterans you know I mean the Native American veterans go back a long ways we I mean there was people fighting in World War I that didn&#8217;t even have the right to vote but uh I I just uh you know the ten to many voices it&#8217;s it&#8217;s brought the word of So Many Nations along the trail together and and later on today I&#8217;ll be able to speak about my ancestors and and the chinuk nation and and uh hopefully Enlighten you on all of this and I think we&#8217;re just uh uh blessed and honored to have this voice and along the ls and Clark Trail and uh let people know that there was more going on than just these guys coming down the river and and let people know that uh how we helped them you know how especially on this end of the river where they didn&#8217;t have a whole lot going for them and didn&#8217;t have a whole lot that we needed but we we we helped them survive and I hope that you all enjoy this the uh the stay that coru will be here you know for 2 weeks and and learn a lot uh thank you thank you Sam our final speaker this morning is uh Mark bold who is the county commissioner and also chairman of the Lewis and Clark committee here Mark well thank you very much and it is an honor for this County to to host this Exposition uh first of all on behalf of Clark County and the other two Commissioners I&#8217;d like to thank the park service for all your work for bringing this exposition to Clark County and uh for the thousands of students that will come here to see the the Heritage that the mayor has just talked about for the other and to uh just it&#8217;s not by accident that our uh County isn&#8217;t is named after uh of William Clark and it&#8217;s not by accident that we&#8217;re Americans so it is it&#8217;s an honor to be here uh just welcome have a good time within this camp and the rest of the this Exposition and behalf of Clark County I now now CL uh declare the Lucen Clark Exposition core Discovery 2 open thank you and God bless and good morning and welcome to all you folks here in the Ten of many voices welcome to Cor Discovery 2 we&#8217;re glad to be here in Vancouver and get things started off here on this Monday morning here in the tenam voices we have regular programming every day that we&#8217;re here we have regular programming uh we have programs every hour on the hour and we&#8217;ll be starting our day this morning hearing a little bit about Yakama history and culture so please join us for that</p>
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